The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Croz Au]

That will be the job of the SMC to try and entice others to use it.

From the Govt point of view they can justify it by saying it is to service the growing West and in the interviews they talked very heavily about culture it attracting music events and other opportunities for the far west of Sydney.

What will be harder is trying to use the same lines for big spending elsewhere. The hardest justification will be Manly and Shark Park unless they can show other tenant use. At least Win they can pull out the investing in regions line for justification. Be interesting to see what they decide to do about Leichardt and Campbelltown. Both get so little use it would be very hard to justify big spends on them.

We await the announcement of how the remaining $500mill gets divided up with interest!

Shark park justification is pretty good, whether you have a big population boom in area, in which an influx of patronage on the facilities throughout the year whether it be RL or Non RL events.
Aka markets, concerts and so on.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

And conversely, the Sharks should be courting the women soccer clubs to make it their ground. Look to steal some of those matches going to Penrith, or court the Sydney Blues or whatever they are called women team to play out of Shark Park.

i believe the sharks are gonna make another unsuccessful pitch for nrlw,
maybe going after different womens sports is the way to go

 

[Jamberoo]

How many concerts do people think Sydney is going to have each year? Major artists like Adele, Ed, etc (Elton John's recent tour was an exception) do not want to play four shows at mid size venues (e.g. Cronulla, Penrith, Parra & SFS) when they could play once @ ANZ. And artists who can only draw 20K are going to play in town not in the suburbs. Suburban venues might get the odd Cold Chisel show, but it will be one or two a year at best.

 

[Perth Red]

Shark park justification is pretty good, whether you have a big population boom in area, in which an influx of patronage on the facilities throughout the year whether it be RL or Non RL events.
Aka markets, concerts and so on.

Its actually much harder, I'm imagining the new stadium in penrith will be owned or at least managed by the Govt's SMC. Shark Park wont be unless Sharks are willing to hand over a long lease agreement to the Govt. So thats the first probem for Govt, justifying major spend on a companies private facility. Secondary They like to be able to counter the 'more hospitals and schools' push back with how the facilities will have a wider benefit to the community that just the football club fans attending. Having a women's team or two certainly helps them with that argument. Nothing in insurmountable when it comes to Govt's but they often like to at least look like they can justify where the money is going.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.

So all of the existing Manly supporters should be sabotaged on the off chance the club attracts some new fans at the SFS?

Are you dim or what?

Were you new to the game when you first learnt about it and decided to follow it, or were you born with an encyclopaedia worth of knowledge about its history and some bizarre phobia of travelling to the SFS?

Everyone was introduced to the game at some stage of their life. For one reason or another, they decided to follow it.

There's nothing unique about Sydney RL fans that means they need nine tiny clubs based out of small grounds that are hard to access. What I'm hearing from you and a few Cronulla fans is an obnoxious sense of entitlement that the sport should revolve around a few RL fans from Sydney because they don't want to move into the 21st century.

There are thousands of fumbleball and RU fans from Northern Beaches and North Shore who travel across the harbour to watch the Swans and Waratahs play at the SCG and SFS. If they can do it then there's no reason a few thousand Seaweed fans cannot travel across the harbour to hear Eagle Rock blasted out of the PA system as their team runs onto the SFS.

 

[Croz Au]

Its actually much harder, I'm imagining the new stadium in penrith will be owned or at least managed by the Govt's SMC. Shark Park wont be unless Sharks are willing to hand over a long lease agreement to the Govt. So thats the first probem for Govt, justifying major spend on a companies private facility. Secondary They like to be able to counter the 'more hospitals and schools' push back with how the facilities will have a wider benefit to the community that just the football club fans attending. Having a women's team or two certainly helps them with that argument. Nothing in insurmountable when it comes to Govt's but they often like to at least look like they can justify where the money is going.

$$ though COE and other grants. Probably a top up with GOvt, since the increase of infrastructure and population within the area.
sharks did offer NRL a small component/percentage of facilty for $$

the COE has your second part covered easily. As it would be for club and community (which includes non RL) ; plus there was extra talk of additional areas. Sharks have invested into school facilities only down the road, which is used both by the schools and RL club

 

[Perth Red]

Were you new to the game when you first learnt about it and decided to follow it, or were you born with an encyclopaedia worth of knowledge about its history and some bizarre phobia of travelling to the SFS?

Everyone was introduced to the game at some stage of their life. For one reason or another, they decided to follow it.

There's nothing unique about Sydney RL fans that means they need nine tiny clubs based out of small grounds that are hard to access. What I'm hearing from you and a few Cronulla fans is an obnoxious sense of entitlement that the sport should revolve around a few RL fans from Sydney because they don't want to move into the 21st century.

There are thousands of fumbleball and RU fans from Northern Beaches and North Shore who travel across the harbour to watch the Swans and Waratahs play at the SCG and SFS. If they can do it then there's no reason a few thousand Seaweed fans cannot travel across the harbour to hear Eagle Rock blasted out of the PA system as their team runs onto the SFS.

The problem no one likes to admit though is they dont have many fans. Some years they struggle to get 10k to attend a ground at the end of their road. Unless clubs can do what the suburban AFL clubs in Melbourne managed to do and create city wide appeal and fanbases then moving to a big stadium miles away isnt going to help them. Reality is some clubs are second tier in their amount of active fans, but we dont have a proper second tier for them to be in.

 

[Perth Red]

$$ though COE and other grants. Probably a top up with GOvt, since the increase of infrastructure and population within the area.
sharks did offer NRL a small component/percentage of facilty for $$

the COE has your second part covered easily. As it would be for club and community (which includes non RL) ; plus there was extra talk of additional areas. Sharks have invested into school facilities only down the road, which is used both by the schools and RL club

Govt CoE funding has already been granted though, I'm talking significant stadium upgrades, not periphery buildings for other purposes. Govts will give out up to $20mill'ish without too much fear but if you want $100mill plus then that's a harder ask and they quite rightly need to be able to justify it to the public.

 

[mongoose]

The problem no one likes to admit though is they dont have many fans. Some years they struggle to get 10k to attend a ground at the end of their road. Unless clubs can do what the suburban AFL clubs in Melbourne managed to do and create city wide appeal and fanbases then moving to a big stadium miles away isnt going to help them. Reality is some clubs are second tier in their amount of active fans, but we dont have a proper second tier for them to be in.

It's a RL issue, any Manly game is still probably going to draw a bigger TV audience in Sydney than a Warratahs or Swans game. It's just conditioned into Sydney RL fans to watch the game on TV and not attend.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The problem no one likes to admit though is they dont have many fans. Some years they struggle to get 10k to attend a ground at the end of their road. Unless clubs can do what the suburban AFL clubs in Melbourne managed to do and create city wide appeal and fanbases then moving to a big stadium miles away isnt going to help them. Reality is some clubs are second tier in their amount of active fans, but we dont have a proper second tier for them to be in.

There's not enough RL fans in Sydney to support nine clubs. That's the elephant in the room that no one at the ARLC is willing to acknowledge.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That will be the job of the SMC to try and entice others to use it.

From the Govt point of view they can justify it by saying it is to service the growing West and in the interviews they talked very heavily about culture it attracting music events and other opportunities for the far west of Sydney.

What will be harder is trying to use the same lines for big spending elsewhere. The hardest justification will be Manly and Shark Park unless they can show other tenant use. At least Win they can pull out the investing in regions line for justification. Be interesting to see what they decide to do about Leichardt and Campbelltown. Both get so little use it would be very hard to justify big spends on them.

We await the announcement of how the remaining $500mill gets divided up with interest!

I cannot see the justification for new stadia, or significant upgrades for that matter, to Brookvale, Kogarah or Endeavour. They're too close to the SFS.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

There's not enough RL fans in Sydney to support nine clubs. That's the elephant in the room that no one at the ARLC is willing to acknowledge.

Merging clubs or relocating them will be welcomed by the AFL

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Merging clubs or relocating them will be welcomed by the AFL

If two smaller Sydney clubs relocated to Adelaide and Perth then we would be taking the fight to AwFuL in their backyard.

Southern Sydney doesn't need two teams and Manly is a small club with zero growth potential. There's no way Manly will ever represent more than a small pocket on the Northern Beaches. There's no doubt in my mind that Roosters could become a behemoth with support throughout North Shore and Northern Beaches. It just needs the Bears and Sea Eagles to f**k off so the Roosters can build a supporter base amongst kids who are born after Manly and North Sydney are gone. Short term pain for long term gain.

 

[Perth Red]

It's a RL issue, any Manly game is still probably going to draw a bigger TV audience in Sydney than a Warratahs or Swans game. It's just conditioned into Sydney RL fans to watch the game on TV and not attend.

I'm less convinced. Of the people watching a Manly game in sydney how many are Manly fans and how many are neutrals? I'd suggest (basing on evidence that there is very little fluctuation in tv audiences regardless of which Sydney club is playing or if 2 sydney clubs are playing each other) that a vast majority are neutrals.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

If two smaller Sydney clubs relocated to Adelaide and Perth then we would be taking the fight to AwFuL in their backyard.

Southern Sydney doesn't need two teams and Manly is a small club with zero growth potential. There's no way Manly will ever represent more than a small pocket on the Northern Beaches. There's no doubt in my mind that Roosters could become a behemoth with support throughout North Shore and Northern Beaches. It just needs the Bears and Sea Eagles to f**k off so the Roosters can build a supporter base amongst kids who are born after Manly and North Sydney are gone. Short term pain for long term gain.

I get what you’re saying but fans are parochial and won’t get behind a relocated club, especially one from Sydney. They want their own built from the ground up. The AFL have the patience, money and will to make a new club successful. Do you trust the NRL to do the same? I don’t. In the end, you’ll disenfranchise two sets of fans for nothing and the Swans will welcome them with open arms.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

I cannot see the justification for new stadia, or significant upgrades for that matter, to Brookvale, Kogarah or Endeavour. They're too close to the SFS.

Whether you can see it or not is irrelevant, it is happening. Brookvale at least will be confirmed in the next few weeks.

And there is plenty of justification for further development in the next few decades, although I think in Sydney at least the next stadium to be fixed will be Stadium Australia finally converted to a rectangle for 2030 onwards. It will be needed if we are serious about the World Cup bid.

 

[Ozzi_78]

If two smaller Sydney clubs relocated to Adelaide and Perth then we would be taking the fight to AwFuL in their backyard.

Southern Sydney doesn't need two teams and Manly is a small club with zero growth potential. There's no way Manly will ever represent more than a small pocket on the Northern Beaches. There's no doubt in my mind that Roosters could become a behemoth with support throughout North Shore and Northern Beaches. It just needs the Bears and Sea Eagles to f**k off so the Roosters can build a supporter base amongst kids who are born after Manly and North Sydney are gone. Short term pain for long term gain.

You’re right.

The NRL should immediately take cronulla and/or St george and move them to Perth and Adelaide, those 2 new teams will be adopted whole heartedly by those cities. Isn’t that right Red?

The area from San Souci to Wollongong will be fine with zero league representation. I mean the 3rd biggest junior system will easily find alternate sports to play.

Brilliant idea… you should send it to them straight away.

 

[2012....Sharks Year]

You’re right.

The NRL should immediately take cronulla and/or St george and move them to Perth and Adelaide, those 2 new teams will be adopted whole heartedly by those cities. Isn’t that right Red?

The area from San Souci to Wollongong will be fine with zero league representation. I mean the 3rd biggest junior system will easily find alternate sports to play.

Brilliant idea… you should send it to them straight away.

Ignore works a treat Ozzi….can still view the thread without having to listen to the f**ktards with agendas.

 

[Ozzi_78]

Ignore works a treat Ozzi….can still view the thread without having to listen to the f**ktards with agendas.

I was wondering why you were still here. I couldn’t let that one go with such complete and utter rubbish in it. This thread is a cesspit. Can’t wait for the rest of the money to be dishes out so everyone can get over it.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I get what you’re saying but fans are parochial and won’t get behind a relocated club, especially one from Sydney. They want their own built from the ground up. The AFL have the patience, money and will to make a new club successful. Do you trust the NRL to do the same? I don’t. In the end, you’ll disenfranchise two sets of fans for nothing and the Swans will welcome them with open arms.

If the Sharks' licence is given to the Pirates then they will finally have a decent stadium. They won't have to slug the NSW taxpayer any further, either. All of this expense on small stadia that will be lucky to be used 11 times a year isn't going to endear tax payers to our game, especially when they've been doing it tough over the last 2 years.