Gerard Sutton demoted to Titans v Warriors clash

[SpaceMonkey]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/leagu...uke-slams-NRL-referee-demotion?cid=app-iPhone

Isaac Luke calls them out

Phil Gould also comments.

Luke shouldn’tve deleted the tweet either. I’m guessing he might’ve got a tap on the shoulder from management though

 

[Captain Apollo]

How would a captain's call prevented the incident in the Sharks v. Canberra game?

If the ref didn't go upstairs, the captain's call is made and the bunker come back with the decision they made.

Can the captain's call be made on a bunker decision? i.e. captain's call in this instance is, I know you checked for a knock on, but can you check for a touchie putting their flag up and the ref blowing is whistle this time?

Needs an overhaul - what rules are black and white, what rules are we going to allow discretion, how will that discretion be applied. Give the refs the framework and tell em to get out there and ref with a bit of common sense and feel for the game... remembering we're in the business of entertainment, so err on the side of not being noticed. Touchies and bunker - f**k off you are surplus to requirement. Any video ruling required is done by the ref who has the rhythm of the game, same as in soccer. One ref who is in charge, another who is only has an assistant role to play.

You are closer to the money. It's one thing Bill Harrigan said, once the touch judge raised his flag (be it right or wrong) the referee should have stopped the game. Under the rules of the game, the touch judge is the sole adjudiocator of touch an touch in goal decisions and referees do not have the authority to over ride them. That is why Sutton is to blame for what occured as he decided to play on after the flag was raised.

 

[Tiger5150]

You could literally copy and paste this same opinion 5, 10, 20, and 25 years ago, replacing Greenberg with Smith, Gallop, Moffat and Quayle.

And I can guarantee you, in 5-10 years time, we could do the same with whoever the next CEO is.

(that's not a defence of Greenberg or any of the other four btw, just calling it as it is lol)

Timmah, there is a MASSIVE difference between Greenberg and Smith, Gallop, Moffat & Quayle and its experience and competence.

Research what Greenberg was doing prior to the Bulldogs. He has ZERO credible corporate experience prior to Bulldogs and next to zero actual qualifications. He has gotten this far on bluff and bluster, looking serious, and style over substance. Its starting to show.

 

[carcharias]

Timmah, there is a MASSIVE difference between Greenberg and Smith, Gallop, Moffat & Quayle and its experience and competence.

Research what Greenberg was doing prior to the Bulldogs. He has ZERO credible corporate experience prior to Bulldogs and next to zero actual qualifications. He has gotten this far on bluff and bluster, looking serious, and style over substance. Its starting to show.

I know exactly what the sly f**ker was up to.

 

[Eion]

Timmah, there is a MASSIVE difference between Greenberg and Smith, Gallop, Moffat & Quayle and its experience and competence.

Research what Greenberg was doing prior to the Bulldogs. He has ZERO credible corporate experience prior to Bulldogs and next to zero actual qualifications. He has gotten this far on bluff and bluster, looking serious, and style over substance. Its starting to show.

Starting to show? 99% of even the merkins on here knew he was a dud. Flat out knew it. And he confirms it every time he opens his gob, faux eyeballs or shirtfronts anyone.

 

[Timmah]

Timmah, there is a MASSIVE difference between Greenberg and Smith, Gallop, Moffat & Quayle and its experience and competence.

Research what Greenberg was doing prior to the Bulldogs. He has ZERO credible corporate experience prior to Bulldogs and next to zero actual qualifications. He has gotten this far on bluff and bluster, looking serious, and style over substance. Its starting to show.

You haven't disproved my point one bit. Fact remains that we as a fanbase generally treat all CEOs/Chairs etc of governing bodies the same way, every time.

Even referees bosses. We think Bernie Sutton needs the sack the same way we thought Tony Archer, Robert Finch, Bill Harrigan et al needed it. It's a never ending circus

 

[OldPanther]

ha, he’s not in a bulls roar of the sideline, and he whipped it down so fast his shoulder almost went out. Gus said in all his years he’s never seen the same scenario.

They showed on NRL 360 that the ref was looking right at him.

 

[Meth]

You are closer to the money. It's one thing Bill Harrigan said, once the touch judge raised his flag (be it right or wrong) the referee should have stopped the game. Under the rules of the game, the touch judge is the sole adjudiocator of touch an touch in goal decisions and referees do not have the authority to over ride them. That is why Sutton is to blame for what occured as he decided to play on after the flag was raised.

Did Sutton see the flag raised, for sure?

 

[bileduct]

Did Sutton see the flag raised, for sure?

I am convinced he did. If you watch the wide angle replay you can see that the whistle goes to Sutton's mouth immediately after the flag is raised, and Sutton is looking right in the dudes direction.

 

[carcharias]

I am convinced he did. If you watch the wide angle replay you can see that the whistle goes to Sutton's mouth immediately after the flag is raised, and Sutton is looking right in the dudes direction.

That could be from the dude in his ear saying flag is up. .. no hang on!!
flag is down!!!
repeat...flag is down!!

 

[simmo05]

How would a captain's call prevented the incident in the Sharks v. Canberra game?

If the ref didn't go upstairs, the captain's call is made and the bunker come back with the decision they made.

Can the captain's call be made on a bunker decision? i.e. captain's call in this instance is, I know you checked for a knock on, but can you check for a touchie putting their flag up and the ref blowing is whistle this time?

Needs an overhaul - what rules are black and white, what rules are we going to allow discretion, how will that discretion be applied. Give the refs the framework and tell em to get out there and ref with a bit of common sense and feel for the game... remembering we're in the business of entertainment, so err on the side of not being noticed. Touchies and bunker - f**k off you are surplus to requirement. Any video ruling required is done by the ref who has the rhythm of the game, same as in soccer. One ref who is in charge, another who is only has an assistant role to play.

You are right, I just think we need to minimise the video ref to almost nothing. If the video ref was not available, he most likely would have made a call on the spot.

 

[Tiger5150]

Starting to show? 99% of even the merkins on here knew he was a dud. Flat out knew it. And he confirms it every time he opens his gob, faux eyeballs or shirtfronts anyone.

Of course you are right Eion and I'd like to consider myself one of the 99% but Greenberg has built a career on saying the right words, with the right facial expressions but doing nothing. The media have up until now lapped his show up but when we look behind the curtain, the emperor is naked to mix three or four incorrect metaphors.

Greenbergs current trick to DO NOTHING but use words and a stern face to try to convince others this is management, whilst pumping himself up is Greenberg Management 101. He has DEMOTED Sutton & Patton but actually done zero (other tahn offending Titan, Warriors and their fans).

One of my favourite games with Greenberg is to notice his language when he is making an announcement. When it is something (he deems) positive, it is always "I". "I have put it on the front foot". "I have asked the referees to look at...", "I will be looking at..." His role is the CEO, he is to execute what the board sets in place. Ive never heard a CEO speak in the first person as Greenberg and its because he has zero experience.

Lately as the fluff, glitter and sparkles settle at his feet and things are negative, its always "we".

 

[Tiger5150]

You haven't disproved my point one bit. Fact remains that we as a fanbase generally treat all CEOs/Chairs etc of governing bodies the same way, every time.

Even referees bosses. We think Bernie Sutton needs the sack the same way we thought Tony Archer, Robert Finch, Bill Harrigan et al needed it. It's a never ending circus

Timmah I didnt set out to disprove your point, in fact I agree with except to argue that even though the CEO cops it routinely, this one deserves it more than the others.

My point was to demonstrate that all of the previous CEO/Chairs that you mentioned had SIGNIFICANT experience in the corporate world in positions equal or comparable with NRL CEO. Greenberg is a fraud who has built a career on bluff and posturing and when push comes to shove, its not enough and the proof is in the eating.

 

[Tiger5150]

Even referees bosses. We think Bernie Sutton needs the sack the same way we thought Tony Archer, Robert Finch, Bill Harrigan et al needed it. It's a never ending circus

I put the current turmoil with the refs at Greenbergs feet as well. He was the one who upended the referees management system and replaced it with a complicated mess that includes Bernie Sutton, Tony Archer & Michael Maguire at some level.

At the start of the year when the referee crackdown was in full swing and the ref's were being given a lot of goodwill as it appeared to be beneficial to the game, Toddy was front and centre telling us what "he" had done and that he wouldnt back down..........until he sniffs the wind and thinks its unpopular and then he fronts the media and tells them that "HE" had asked the ref's to wind it back a bit.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Amateur hour. Greenberg makes Gallop look good. Now that’s something I thought I’d never say.

But it's 100% true.

I'm probably not adding anything to this thread, but f**k me what an absolute amateur bloody organisation they're running.

I cannot think of a more braindead thing a professional sporting organisation has ever done than send out a release saying a referee has been dropped to a lower fixture. Especially when one side is in the 8

The poor merkin is now on a hiding to nothing now. There's going to be shitloads of scrutiny around his performance, and any side who gets dudded is going to think 'why did we get the shit ref they didn't want to impose on someone else?' Especially if it's my team, whose sitting there wondering how you can be closing in on your first finals appearance in 7 years, two wins off top spot, and you're classed as a 'low-profile' match.

f**k me. Explain that away Greenburg, you dunce. No mention on nrl.com, funnily enough.

And Issac Luke should put his tweet back up, it was spot on.

 

[TheDMC]

Luke shouldn’tve deleted the tweet either. I’m guessing he might’ve got a tap on the shoulder from management though

Don't worry, the tweet is still alive. NRL.com have posted it to accompany their article about the ref fallout. NRL.com obviously give two forks that people are upset that they refer to reffing the warriors-titans game as a 'demotion.'

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/07/24/nrl-demotes-officials-over-botched-sione-katoa-try-ruling/

Even if they aren't the official mouthpiece of the NRL they are still cokwombles.

 

[txta2]

You are closer to the money. It's one thing Bill Harrigan said, once the touch judge raised his flag (be it right or wrong) the referee should have stopped the game. Under the rules of the game, the touch judge is the sole adjudiocator of touch an touch in goal decisions and referees do not have the authority to over ride them. That is why Sutton is to blame for what occured as he decided to play on after the flag was raised.

Nope, the touchie can only raise a flag when the ball or player goes over the sideline or of course like the old days report something.
The ref was right to let play continue.
The funny thing is if the ref had of stopped play this whole debacle would not of happened and Cronulla would of lost...yet the decision would of been WRONG. The touchie should not of raised his flag because the ball did not touch Ramien as shown on replay and adjudicated by the bunker. The ref was wrong in calling no try but that was the bloody touchies fault again

 

[blaza88z]

Nope, the touchie can only raise a flag when the ball or player goes over the sideline or of course like the old days report something.
The ref was right to let play continue.
The funny thing is if the ref had of stopped play this whole debacle would not of happened and Cronulla would of lost...yet the decision would of been WRONG. The touchie should not of raised his flag because the ball did not touch Ramien. The touchie was wrong and was dealt with, not the ref who went through the correct process .

I will take Bill's word over yours, if you don't mind

 

[txta2]

I will take Bill's word over yours, if you don't mind

Touchie should not of put his bloody flag up end of story. He should of waited for the play to stop then tell the ref. Because the ref knew the ball was not out of play.
If a touchie wants to go to the toilet and puts his flag up...does that mean the ref blows his whistle and play stops. ???There was a reason Bill Harrigan was fired as refs boss.

 

[blaza88z]

Touchie should not of put his bloody flag up end of story. He should of waited for the play to stop then tell the ref. Because the ref knew the ball was not out of play.
If a touchie wants to go to the toilet and puts his flag up...does that mean the ref blows his whistle and play stops. ???There was a reason Bill Harrigan was fired as refs boss.

15 years as the game's best referee, he will know the rules inside out, you're only disputing this because you're a Cronulla fan and the fact it was a howler of a decision works against you because you'd like to think you deserved to win that game, which you didn't.. and no, I don't care what you did in the first half, Canberra were robbed in that game, twice