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Greatest advantage and disadvantage of both sides...

dG

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I am sure it is scrawled in through out both the NSW team and QLD team threads, but for the benefit of ease of access, what do you believe is the area of each squad that will be its greatest strength and its greatest weakness?

Forward pack, halves, backline, bench? Who's do you think is better and why?
 

Broncodroid

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QUEENSLAND

STRENGTHS

  • COMBINATIONS - Six Cowboys and five Broncos make up eleven of the seventeen with Price, Crocker, Flannery, Ross, Slater and Smith completing the squad. We have only two Origin rookies in Ty Williams and Jonathon Thurston. Williams will be comfortable knowing he has fellow Cowboy Bowman or test centre Berrigan inside him, Thurston equally comfortable knowing he Lockyer outside him with a host of Cowboys.
  • PROP ROTATION - I know this goes against the Blues belief, though having four 'big boppers" in the squad is going to be an advantage for us. We will start with test props Price and Cinoviceva who will take the brunt of whatever NSW can dish out, and then on comes the rampaging Webb with the consistent Ross. The Blues will be forced to continually aim up for 80 minutes.
  • DARREN LOCKYER FACTOR - Love him or loathe him, this is the best big match player in the world and despite numerous attempts to dampen his impact on games, he continually comes up trumps more often than not. If the forwards get the job done, which they should and I am confident they will, NSW will have no answer to the QLD backline led by our Australian captain.
WEAKENESSES

  • LACK OF LATERAL MOVEMENT - If anything in the forward pack, we could be lacking in side to side movement in which this could be exposed by the dummy half runners of NSW in Wing, Buderus etc.
  • GOALKICKING - When comparing this to NSW who have Fitzgibbon, this has to be considered a weakness. We will start with Cameron Smith, will he finish as kicker though? A bit of a question mark in my opinion.
I will leave the NSW side to some loyal Blues fan...I feel no need to waste some valuable minutes looking over the cockroaches ;-)
 

Big Pete

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QLD Positivies:
A good range of impact players
Lockyer
Two Test Props and one Test Lock
Good Bench
A Great Attacking Backline

Negatives:
No work horses on the side (eg. Fitzgibborn for the Blues)
Don't have a organised halfback
Goalkicking
One off the ruck plays arn't good enough to win series if kept up like in 2003.
The lack of Webcke (or Nutley for that matter)


NSW:
Positives:
A Strong Forward Pack
A Even Bench
Good-Solid Backline
Good Halves

Negatives:
King is not that great at wing
Kimmorley hasn't been too good in Origin
Bench lacking something...
Not too many combinations between players (besides from Dragons)
 

Big Mick

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No Carroll = noone to make lockyer's tackles = BAD

I can't get why Dallas Johnson or Stagg wasn't picked to take his place. Both great defenders.
 

Tigertread

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Big Mick © said:
No Carroll = noone to make lockyer's tackles = BAD

I can't get why Dallas Johnson or Stagg wasn't picked to take his place. Both great defenders.
Stagg is injured
 

aqua_duck

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Good thread

QLD
Advantages
*Darren Lockyer is a serial menace in origin for NSW fans, he'll always have an impact
*Combinations, not only because alot of the players play with each other but they also have a unique understanding, for example Thurston and Bowen and Lockyer and Berrigan
*Impact off the bench, Carl Webb in particular will be hard to contain if Price and Petero can establish early domination.
*Home ground advantage, there's no doubt QLD are a different team at Lang Park

Disadvantages
*The loss of Tonie Carroll will mean increase traffic at Darren Lockyer, expect the likes of Hindmarsh, Cooper, King, SImpson and Watmough to head straight for him, even if he doesn't miss any tackles the extra defence might hinder his attacking game
*Billy Slater at fullback is a potential problem, his defence is questionable at best and I don't see him stopping a Gasnier or a Barrett one on one in abit of space
*Mick Crocker, he's a liability, his lack of discipline and brain explosions could really cost the Maroons, also he's not in great form and hasn't played alot of footy this year
*Michael Hagan, Hagan is one of those coaches who can win a game with a masterstroke, but more often than not, tends to be abit blind to the obvious
*Goalkicking, Cam Smith is solid but not great, and Lockyer and Crocker aren't very good back ups

NSW
Advantages
*The halves, Barrett and Kimmorley are both in great form and are proven rep players, Kimmorley in test football and Barrett in SOO
*The backline, its a very big backline, King Gasnier, Cooper, Rooney, Barrett are all 90kg plus and lack no mobility, guys like King and Rooney especially can take alot of pressure off their forwards
*The forward pack, I think its better than the Maroon's pack, especially the backrow, Hindmarsh and Fitzgibbon are the best 2nd rowers in the game and Kennedy is a hardened rep player of the highest calibre
*The Buderus/Wing double act, these two have troubled QLD in the past, granted Wing isn't in great form but he's the sort of player who can lift for the occasion, and Buderus has been in great form this season despite the misfortunes of his team
*Goalkicking, Fitzgibbon is arguably the best goalkicker in the game outside El Masri

Disadvanatges
*Lack of a established front rower on the bench, although Simpson has played alot of front row this year he's still not origin standard as a front rower. Ryan hasn't played front row for a few seasons now and Watmough is too small
*Lack of hard running, big, mobile impact forward, thye really lack a Tupou or a Willie Mason, although Watmough is explosive at times he doesn't have the sheer size of Mason or Tupou
*Matt King on the wing, I haven't seen too much of him as a winger and was picked on his form as a centre
 

Azkatro

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aqua_duck said:
*Matt King on the wing, I haven't seen too much of him as a winger and was picked on his form as a centre

Good point. I actually listened to Kerry Boustead, one of the great Maroon Origin wingers, suggest that Matt King will get found out this Wednesday night. He suggested that whoever's marking him (Sing or Williams) will have a big smile on their face knowing that they've got a centre opposite them, and they'll know they will score one or two tries against him.

I don't know a lot about wing play myself but I'm inclined to believe a bloke like Boustead on the little nuances of the position!

Add to that, it's Matt King's debut - and it's Lang Park. He'll have either Gasnier or Cooper inside him, both of whom he's never really played alongside. I think he'll get targeted by the Maroons, they might run a few second man plays out his way and see if they can find him out with backline movement.
 

bluesbreaker

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Broncodroid said:
QUEENSLAND

  • DARREN LOCKYER FACTOR - Love him or loathe him, this is the best big match player in the world
I disagree with this entirely. In what big match has Lockyer performed in? Thrashing the Poms? Please. He's no more a big match player than Johns, Kimmorley, Orford or Sherwin.
 

JJ

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Azkatro said:
Good point. I actually listened to Kerry Boustead, one of the great Maroon Origin wingers, suggest that Matt King will get found out this Wednesday night. He suggested that whoever's marking him (Sing or Williams) will have a big smile on their face knowing that they've got a centre opposite them, and they'll know they will score one or two tries against him.

I don't know a lot about wing play myself but I'm inclined to believe a bloke like Boustead on the little nuances of the position!

Add to that, it's Matt King's debut - and it's Lang Park. He'll have either Gasnier or Cooper inside him, both of whom he's never really played alongside. I think he'll get targeted by the Maroons, they might run a few second man plays out his way and see if they can find him out with backline movement.

He's played plenty of wing though, hasn't he. It'll certainly be a target for Queensland. But then, Qld have a few obvious targets in their team too - in the backs Williams, Lockyer and Slater. And maybe the general slowness in lateral movement of the fowards (whether this perceived weakness is real, I am not sure) - but I've said before, that Price is the only Qld forward I'd have in the NSW pack.
 

CAPSISCOOL

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bluesbreaker said:
[/list]I disagree with this entirely. In what big match has Lockyer performed in? Thrashing the Poms? Please. He's no more a big match player than Johns, Kimmorley, Orford or Sherwin.

Try the entire 2001 origin series? 1998 Grand final?
 

Iafeta

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Big Pete said:
Negatives:
No work horses on the side (eg. Fitzgibborn for the Blues)

Steve Price is running second in forwards hit ups so far this season, to Asotasi - remembering he's missed 1 club game to Origin and the bye and he's merely 20 behind Roy Roy. He's third behind Gallen and Roy Roy in metres gained. And he's making 27.8 tackles per game.

I'd say he's a fair work horse.

He's not far behind Fitzgibbon for tackles per game, well ahead of him for metres per game, and ahead of him for hit ups per game. He's not going too bad in the head down, ar$e up department.
 

Iafeta

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Big Pete said:
We shall see how he goes after the game.

20 tackles, 24 hit ups, 189 metres, man of the match, I think he held his own myself :D

Flannery got 40 tackles also, and you can usually rely on Cameron Smith to tackle himself to a stand still.
 

Mr Saab

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bluesbreaker said:
[/list]I disagree with this entirely. In what big match has Lockyer performed in? Thrashing the Poms? Please. He's no more a big match player than Johns, Kimmorley, Orford or Sherwin.

really? the only one on your list that is with/above Lockyer is Johns. The others have not done what Lockyer has.
Kimmorley? :lol: :lol: he is a HUGE big match player
Orford? good player, and i am a fan of his, but he is not in the lockyer/johns class and never will be
Sherwin? Great kicking game, led his team to a GF win 2004, but would you really say he is a big time player like Lockyer and Johns.

If the game is on the line i would be more confident if i had Johns or Lockyer than any of the three mentioned.
 

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