Greatest all round guitar player.

[carcharias]

The other poll has too many flaws.

Voting criteria.

Pick the best in your opinion and give them a score out of 10 for each field.

Skill- e.g ( level of freakish technical ability - eg satch, Vai etc )
Diversity - ( ability to play more than one style e.g Brian May, Matt Bellamy)
Originality - ( creating their own sound/ style e.g Edge, Moginie )
Memorability - ( Ability to write classic riffs and tunes e.g Angus , Page )
Longevity -( speaks for itself. e.g Angus , Malcolm , Keef )

Add ém up ....score out of 50.

 

[nöyd]

Ok, after re-evaluating carcharias's idea I have agreed that this will be a much thorough way of determining who will/may/should be regarded as the best all-round guitarist.

The rules are outlined in the post above, go nuts.

For discussion and debate, please try and take it to the following thread:

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=201220

Cheers.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Eddie Van Halen


Skill-10, just faultless technically, an amazing guitarist, one of a kind.

Diversity-7, eddie was diverse, his guitar playing whilst predominately rock n' roll based in the early days, he was able to play many slow pieces, bluesy pieces as well


Originality-10, Eddie influenced a whole generation, everyone from Vai to Dimebag through his 'brown sound' and guitar tricks.


Memorability-9, the guitar side of things Eddie wrote some great riffs, Hot for teacher, ain't talking about love, runnin with the devil, i'm the one, girls gone bad, Panama are some of his other classic riffs, together with keyboard riffs such as dreams and why cant this be love he shown some memorable riffs


Longevity-9, first recorded in 77, just about to release another album now and will continue to do so.

 

[carcharias]

Obviously people will still vote for their favourite .
Straight away I can see holes in Ronny's choice...ie keyboard is not guitar.

Although I am glad even Ron couldn't give EVH a 10 for diversity.

I will pick a couple of stand outs IMO.

Jim Moginie of the Oils
When I was a kid I thought they should get rid of him because he didn't look cool.
It wasn't until I got into guitar did I realise what a legend he is.
He was by far the sonic brains behind the Oils.

Skill, 8-10 . His vast knowledge of chords sets him apart from the rest. Some songs having up to 20 odd chord changes .Also his speed in rapid chord changes riffs coupled with licks is excellent.

Diversity , 8 - 10. You need to listen to it all to realise .
Songs like Powderworks , Knifes edge and no time for games show a real sort of hard edge rock . While beds are burning and us forces show he can write and play perfect top 10 stuff. Then there is also the acoustic type stuff like one country . Not to mention the classic wedding cake island surf guitar instrumental. There is also the ultra underated work he did on Red neck wonderland and capricornia.

Originality - 10 -10 . Nobody else sounds like him. Listen to the solo in Hercules. It sounds like it is being played in reverse. The way he distorts sound thru effects and harmonics is truely unique . Half the time you cannot tell what is making the sound.
It takes a freak to be able to know how to do this.

Memorability 9-10 . too many opening riffs to name .

Longevity - 7-10 . started in early 70's and still going albeit as a solo performer.
Little known fact is he helps out heaps of other bands during recording. Silverchair being one that comes to mind.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Obviously people will still vote for their favourite .
Straight away I can see holes in Ronny's choice...ie keyboard is not guitar.

Although I am glad even Ron couldn't give EVH a 10 for diversity.

I will pick a couple of stand outs IMO.

Jim Moginie of the Oils
When I was a kid I thought they should get rid of him because he didn't look cool.
It wasn't until I got into guitar did I realise what a legend he is.
He was by far the sonic brains behind the Oils.

Skill, 8-10 . His vast knowledge of chords sets him apart from the rest. Some songs having up to 20 odd chord changes .Also his speed in rapid chord changes riffs coupled with licks is excellent.

Diversity , 8 - 10. You need to listen to it all to realise .
Songs like Powderworks , Knifes edge and no time for games show a real sort of hard edge rock . While beds are burning and us forces show he can write and play perfect top 10 stuff. Then there is also the acoustic type stuff like one country . Not to mention the classic wedding cake island surf guitar instrumental. There is also the ultra underated work he did on Red neck wonderland and capricornia.

Originality - 10 -10 . Nobody else sounds like him. Listen to the solo in Hercules. It sounds like it is being played in reverse. The way he distorts sound thru effects and harmonics is truely unique . Half the time you cannot tell what is making the sound.
It takes a freak to be able to know how to do this.

Memorability 9-10 . too many opening riffs to name .

Longevity - 7-10 . started in early 70's and still going albeit as a solo performer.
Little known fact is he helps out heaps of other bands during recording. Silverchair being one that comes to mind.

So Jim Moginie is a better guitarist the EVH carch?:lol:

This is probably the most biased post i've read anywhere on the internet. To even question my post when it's well documented the brillance of EVH yet at the same time big note Jim Moginie is pathetic.

If Moginie is anything more then a 5 in each category i'll give it away. He's an average rythem guitarist who was know more distinctive then Red Simmons. By your rationale every guitarist is a 10 out of 10 for originality because every guitarist in their own right has their own sound, EVH even has his own ****ing custom made pedals and amps to incorperate his sound, so if anyone should be 10 it should be him!

Your opinion, fair enough, but don't rubbish my post when it's well-documented what Eddie has done for the guitar.

 

[carcharias]

cheer up Ron .
I only had a light hearted dig at the keyboard part....in a guitar thread FFS.
FTR Moginie would shyte all EVH on keyboards.
He played all they keyboard stuff for the Oils.

You have obviously never seriously listened to Moginie...otherwise you would know better.

Guitar solo's alone do not make a great guitar player IMO.
VH's music sucks IMO.
I loath that sterile American garbage.
The whole genre is just an egofest.
EVH can play the hardest solo on earth in one of their songs....but the actual song IMO sounds fugged.

 

[millersnose]

i recon greg from the wiggles shyts on both of them

 

[carcharias]

i recon greg from the wiggles shyts on both of them

Don't laugh ...I would rather listen to the wiggles than Van Halen.

In fact I do ...everyday.

I have changed the chorus in Dorothy the dinosaur to
Dorothy's vaginas sore .

 

[carcharias]

For Ron

The man himself won't say it. Would run away quick smart if you tried to make him. So I will do it for him: Jim Moginie, a founding member of Midnight Oil, is one of the most important and best guitarists and songwriters we've produced.
Don't feel too bad if you hadn't noticed. Maybe you had been dazzled by the tall bald figure at the front of Midnight Oil, or the muscular presence on drums at the back of the band. Maybe it was the fact that in the 30 years of the Oils' existence Moginie almost never gave an interview. Or maybe it was the hats under which he hid in the band's latter years. Whatever it was, Jim Moginie was never in the limelight.
But as an inventive guitarist who could be as lyrical as he was powerful and as a writer who found ways to channel everything from post-punk drive to the silence of a desert night, he was one of the (hidden) cornerstones of a band which never dropped its standards.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/gig-reviews/jim-moginie/2006/05/18/1147545426646.html

almost took the words out of my mouth.

 

[HevyDevy]

I have changed the chorus in Dorothy the dinosaur to
Dorothy's vaginas sore .

Yes, like Elton John's "Hold me closer Tony Danza"

:lol:

 

[Ron Jeremy]

cheer up Ron .
I only had a light hearted dig at the keyboard part....in a guitar thread FFS.

Fair enough, i just added it for who knows? just did lol

FTR Moginie would shyte all EVH on keyboards.
He played all they keyboard stuff for the Oils.

Eddie was clasically trained on the piano by his father, a classical teacher. Yes Moginie wasn't too bad on the keyboards, short memory is a great intro. However you do forget many keyboard pieces by VH, Dreams Why cant this be love, right now, when its love just to name a few, would you like me to go on?

He's the master of versitility.

You have obviously never seriously listened to Moginie...otherwise you would know better.

Wanna make a bet? i was a huge Oils fan back in the day, ffs i even brought there live albums. Diesel and dust is my favourite album, i use to like it that much that i got my father into it and later brought it for him as a chrissy present. I've also seen the Oils in concert ( Coogie bay ) and even got Rob Hirsts autograph a while back which i lost, spewing about that because he's one talented drummer and imo the best Australia has had.

Guitar solo's alone do not make a great guitar player IMO.

That's your opinion, however good chord players are everywhere, finding a gun lead player is rarity. Also, you neglect the amount of great riffs VH have done, go and listen to their first few albums, a gold mine of amazxing riffs, I'm the one, aint talking about love, running with the devil etc are awesome.

VH's music sucks IMO.

Your opinion, but millions disagree with u

I loath that sterile American garbage.
The whole genre is just an egofest.

It was a great era for rock n roll, it brough rock n roll to the forfront of commercial music, never had it been witnessed before and dare i say never again, the only time when rock was as popular as dance. Would you rather rap or techno dominating the airwaves?

EVH can play the hardest solo on earth in one of their songs....but the actual song IMO sounds fugged.

Eruption, spanish fly are two brillantly sounded lead solos, everytime i listen to them i just envy the bloke, an amzing talent which i wish you could acknowledge more and many other oz muso fans.

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

don't want to get into this bitchfight, but serioulsy... how can Moginie be better than EVH?

I'm going to go Rhandy Rhoads;


Skill- 10 - seriously, watch a vid of him, and you'll know what i mean.
Diversity - 10 - was classically trained, but had a metal edge
Originality - 10 - see above... his metal-classic fusion was awesome.
Memorability - 6 - only crazy train was memorable as such
Longevity - 4 - would have been a 10 in this if it wasn't for the tragic accident that resulted in his death... quite freakish really.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Stuart Wood.

None of those mentioned looks as good as Woody in tartan.

 

[carcharias]

Just for the record....lets get one thing clear.

I never compared Moginie to EVH .
Ron did.

He had some sort of premature ejaculation when I dared to mention a bloke who is not his favourite.

He also missed the bit where I wrote I will mention a couple of names.

All round guitarist I said
Moginie plays Irish folk music as well now.
What rehab centre is Eddie currently residing in?

So with that in mind .

Here is another.

Ben Harper.

Skill 8- 10 seriously gifted muso . The slide stuff he does on his Weissborn is awesome. Can rock it up with the best of ém as well as his acoustic stuff.

Diversity - 9 - 10 well listen to Live on Mars. One side is slow paced acoustic stuff the other is fully blown electric guitar stuff.

Originality - 5 -10 . Probably the first of a few of late doing this sort of thing.By far the best though.

Memorability 5 -10 . Steal my kisses would most probably be his ''hit'' . simple to play , simple to listen to ...smart song if you weanna make chicks dance.

Longevity 5-10 ( Currently ). prediction 10 - 10 I think he has a pretty good niche that would keep him going for a long long time. I can see him as a cool old dude still playing.

 

[nöyd]

What rehab centre is Eddie currently residing in?

What does that have to do with his guitar playing?

 

[carcharias]

What does that have to do with his guitar playing?

Longevity

Ron gave him a 9 out of 10 .
yet he had a go at my pick and I gave my bloke 7 .

How is this possible ?
Even Axel Rose has done more than EVH this millenium.

Moginie started with Garrett and hirst in a band called Farm in 1971.
Moginie is still recording ,touring, doing session work and producing music today.
No 10 year breaks
No tantrums

Just longevity.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Tony Iommi

Skill - 6 Not the flashiest guitarist, but gets points for his ability to improvise brilliantly with his soloing.
Diversity - 5 The Sabbath sound has stayed pretty constant over the years, but theres a a surprising amount of variation in their catalogue when you dig a bit.
Originality - 9 Took the blues based hard rock formula and almost single-handedly turned it into something way darker, changing the shape of rock forever.
Memorability - 10- needs no explaination. In fact if Paranoid, Iron Man and War Pigs were the only 3 songs he ever wrote, he'd STILL warrant a 10.
Longevity - 10 Sabbaths heyday lasted over a decade, they're still going, still massively popular and hugely influential.

total score- 40

 

[simmo1]

Originality - 9 Took the blues based hard rock formula and almost single-handedly turned it into something way darker, changing the shape of rock forever.

I heard that the unique sound he got out of the guitar was because of the lighter strings which he needed because he was basically playing without any fingers. Interesting story.

Absolute legend. Him, Ozzy and the rest of Sabbath, pretty much invented metal.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I heard that the unique sound he got out of the guitar was because of the lighter strings which he needed because he was basically playing without any fingers. Interesting story.

Absolute legend. Him, Ozzy and the rest of Sabbath, pretty much invented metal.

Yeah the missing fingers necessitated a modified technique. The other interesting thing is that he started downtuning because Ozzy couldn't hit some of the high notes if he played in regular tune!

 

[carcharias]

Iommi wore a steel sewing thimble type thing over his mangled finger.