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[El Diablo]

Maybe he didn’t and that’s the problem???

Gary is Miss V the undies thief

 

[Gazzamatta]

Reminds me of the joke where the Doctor asked the guy for blood, urine, semen and stool samples to which he replied that he was in a hurry and could he just leave his "undies" for analysis.

 

[Gary Gutful]

did Hayne rape Gary?

Maybe he didn’t and that’s the problem???

Gary is Miss V the undies thief

Pair of knobs.

Too f**ken stupid to make a meaningful contribution.

 

[El Diablo]

Pair of knobs.

Too f**ken stupid to make a meaningful contribution.

 

[hineyrulz]

Pair of knobs.

Too f**ken stupid to make a meaningful contribution.

Sorry mate the Mai Tai’s are kicking in.

PS - I’m not wearing any undies.

 

[El Diablo]

Gary's trophy room

 

[Gary Gutful]

And for balance sake what do you think Hayne did wrong?

Speculation of course, but probably in his drunken haze he mistakenly thought that another drunken human was OK with what was happening.

 

[Noise]

Any legal experts able to help ie. @Barry O'Speedwagon or fanbase?

In the US civil court what allows a case to go ahead? Does any evidence need to be provided to start civil proceedings or can anyone just launch a civil case against another?

Obviously a criminal case needs some evidence to charge a person but does a civil one?

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Is Billy Slater a "grub"? ... ive heard it said alot

He made fun of Corey Paterson's depression whilst on the field. Stomped on John Skandalis' head. Was the first fullback to regularly use his feet to prevent tries resulting many times in him kicking the try scorer's head. He attacked the back of Hayne's neck in a game in 2010 when Hayne had his back turned.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Gary's trophy room

No chance of ever prizing yours off you f**ken beast.

 

[hineyrulz]

He made fun of Corey Paterson's depression whilst on the field. Stomped on John Skandalis' head. Was the first fullback to regularly use his feet to prevent tries resulting many times in him kicking the try scorer's head. He attacked the back of Hayne's neck in a game in 2010 when Hayne had his back turned.

Catching bombs while kicking people in the face.

 

[Gary Gutful]

He made fun of Corey Paterson's depression whilst on the field. Stomped on John Skandalis' head. Was the first fullback to regularly use his feet to prevent tries resulting many times in him kicking the try scorer's head. He attacked the back of Hayne's neck in a game in 2010 when Hayne had his back turned.

Meh.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

His reputation with respect to his treatment of women - which previously was pretty damn good and is dang important these days.

Lets look at his track record;

1. He took his mother to the Dally Ms and he bought her a house out of his first contract money;

2. He risked his own life to save the life of a female Irish backpacker who was drowning at Bondi (didn't she turn up to Parra stadium and hug him and refer to him as her hero? Didn't Parra and the NRL get a weeks worth of mileage out of that story?. ...I'll have to look that up);

3. His reputation with regards the way he treated the mother of his baby daughter...trying to make a relationship out of a hook up for the sake of mother and child;

4. Fly's back from holidays in the US to be there for the first birthday of his daughter;

5. Doesn't he have a sister that adhores him?;

He also bit a girl at the Roxy.

 

[Noise]

He also bit a girl at the Roxy.

but he tried to take a bullet for a chick at Sapphire (probably)

 

[T-Boon]

He made fun of Corey Paterson's depression whilst on the field. Stomped on John Skandalis' head. Was the first fullback to regularly use his feet to prevent tries resulting many times in him kicking the try scorer's head. He attacked the back of Hayne's neck in a game in 2010 when Hayne had his back turned.

He stuck his ear in James Grahams mouth.

 

[Happy MEel]

The fact that you don't appear to accept that this has occurred in the past is a worry.

I was not limiting my explanation to the Australian context so you can't just arbitrarily determine that I must only list 'Australian examples' (which is ironic in itself given that the incident actually occurred in America).

Here are 44 examples of rape allegations and rape cases in the NFL. .

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/8qwpm4/2015-nfl-report

Click on each player and you can see more details.

As for other examples you can google:

Ruben Patterson - NBA
Kobe Bryant - NBA
Anthony Mason - NBA
Phil Taylor - Darts
Ched Evans - Soccer
Ray Rice - NFL

Here is a link to a good article from 2005 describing what I have suggested and it covers the Australian context. Remember when Dane Tilse was made an example for an incident in a dorm but other (better players) such as Kurt Gidley suffered less repurcusions?

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AltLawJl/2005/44.pdf

Also, there weren't any major impacts to anyone involved in the Sharks and Bulldogs cases. Matthew Johns fell on his sword at Ch 9 but got another more lucrative gig later on. I suspect he could have come back much earlier, but chose to take some time out.

Brett Stewart was reluctantly stood down by Manly after the NRL intervened. He quickly made his way back into the team and remained a valuable member. It was injury, more so than the assault case that impacted his career. His earning capacity was not altered and any reputation impacts were not significant enough to drive sponsors away.

In the directly comparable examples involving civil suits, those that continued to be effective members of their team scored good contracts and endorsement details after the incident. This supports the point that I made.

Note - This is what I managed to find with some quick googling. I suspect there are a lot of other examples that I could dig out if I spent more time searching.

Actually the Australian context is relevant because being an accused rapist will impact on his potential sponsorship earnings here in Australia.

I don’t see how you can know with any kind of certainty that sports people accused of rape haven’t had their reputation damaged to the point of limiting their earning capacity. In fact, the article you suggest supports my argument. Dane Tilse was accused of sexual assault and he was sacked and deregistered. How wasn’t his earning capacity diminished? It is highly likely the merkin deserved it but the case never proceeded to trial.

Kurt Gidley and the other players were fined for their “drunken rampage” on the same night. A far cry from sexual assault but don’t let that get in the way of a good story.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1308109.htm

Your Brett Stewart example is rubbish because you have absolutely no idea if the sexual assault allegations impacted his earning capacity and I think it is highly likely that it did....at least in the short term.

Keep Googling and come up with a real example that actually supports your argument rather than speculating.

 

[Happy MEel]

The fact that you don't appear to accept that this has occurred in the past is a worry.

I was not limiting my explanation to the Australian context so you can't just arbitrarily determine that I must only list 'Australian examples' (which is ironic in itself given that the incident actually occurred in America).

Here are 44 examples of rape allegations and rape cases in the NFL. .

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/8qwpm4/2015-nfl-report

Click on each player and you can see more details.

As for other examples you can google:

Ruben Patterson - NBA
Kobe Bryant - NBA
Anthony Mason - NBA
Phil Taylor - Darts
Ched Evans - Soccer
Ray Rice - NFL

Here is a link to a good article from 2005 describing what I have suggested and it covers the Australian context. Remember when Dane Tilse was made an example for an incident in a dorm but other (better players) such as Kurt Gidley suffered less repurcusions?

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AltLawJl/2005/44.pdf

Also, there weren't any major impacts to anyone involved in the Sharks and Bulldogs cases. Matthew Johns fell on his sword at Ch 9 but got another more lucrative gig later on. I suspect he could have come back much earlier, but chose to take some time out.

Brett Stewart was reluctantly stood down by Manly after the NRL intervened. He quickly made his way back into the team and remained a valuable member. It was injury, more so than the assault case that impacted his career. His earning capacity was not altered and any reputation impacts were not significant enough to drive sponsors away.

In the directly comparable examples involving civil suits, those that continued to be effective members of their team scored good contracts and endorsement details after the incident. This supports the point that I made.

Note - This is what I managed to find with some quick googling. I suspect there are a lot of other examples that I could dig out if I spent more time searching.

...and if we’re going international, here is an example of lost earning due to damage towards a reputation. Tiger Woods (whilst still earning a bucketload) lost sponsors such as Gatorade, AT&T, Accenture and Tag Heuer as a result of his infedelity in 2009...and there were no suggestions that it was non-consensual. I wonder if his other sponsors would have stuck by him if their were claims of rape?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/30/news/companies/tiger-woods-sponsors-nike/index.html

 

[T-Boon]

I guess that is possible but not probable in my mind. Those items that you listed are either unlikely to show anything (CCTV, text messages and undies)

If she was about to pass out in the uber the CCTV footage would have shown a pretty drunk young lady I would think. Plus the Willow Den is considered a biker bar (per the goggle search I just did), there is a lot of bad behaviour there so they keep very clear cameras everywhere.

For example I just watched a very clear and disturbing youtube video of a stabbing at the Willow Den. Have a look at it and ask yourself how the police looking at footage of Hayne and said biker bar girl would not have been able to tell how drunk she was.

Drop mic.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Actually the Australian context is relevant because being an accused rapist will impact on his potential sponsorship earnings here in Australia.

My position was formed based on examples of what occurs throughout the world. No amount of goal post shifting on your part will change that.

That is what I am here to defend - my position. Not your interpretation of what I have said, so with all respect you are off the mark with your Australian context comments. I don't think something should be dismissed just because it didn't occur in Australia.

I don’t see how you can know with any kind of certainty that sports people accused of rape haven’t had their reputation damaged to the point of limiting their earning capacity.

There is an important qualifier that I gave which you are ignoring - they need to be valuable and important members of a team. Go back and re-read what I said with that in mind and examine those qualifiers further. It might change your take on what I am suggesting.

Dane Tilse was accused of sexual assault and he was sacked and deregistered. How wasn’t his earning capacity diminished? It is highly likely the merkin deserved it but the case never proceeded to trial.

Kurt Gidley and the other players were fined for their “drunken rampage” on the same night. A far cry from sexual assault but don’t let that get in the way of a good story.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1308109.htm

See my previous comments about "valuable and important members of the team". There had to be someone who was the fall guy. That someone was Dane Tilse.

Your Brett Stewart example is rubbish because you have absolutely no idea if the sexual assault allegations impacted his earning capacity and I think it is highly likely that it did....at least in the short term.

So, he didn't lose his job or any sponsors so on face value its fair to say he didn't appear to be impacted.

How about you take your own advice and google something to suggest that he was impacted?

Keep Googling and come up with a real example that actually supports your argument rather than speculating.

This is the classic response to a well formed argument and analysis on here and to be honest it is f**ken boring.

"I am not going to examine the analysis that underpins your position, I am just going to ask for 1000 examples of the exact same thing and if they don't exist then you are full of shit."

Why not examine the logic and question some of my assumptions which I have spelt out? Good player in a team arguably gets preferential treatment with respect to instances of sexual assault and misdemeanour - how is that a stupid position to put forward?

I could do the exact same thing to you. Where are your Australian specific, apples v apples examples which support your position?

 

[Gary Gutful]

...and if we’re going international, here is an example of lost earning due to damage towards a reputation. Tiger Woods (whilst still earning a bucketload) lost sponsors such as Gatorade, AT&T, Accenture and Tag Heuer as a result of his infedelity in 2009...and there were no suggestions that it was non-consensual. I wonder if his other sponsors would have stuck by him if their were claims of rape?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/30/news/companies/tiger-woods-sponsors-nike/index.html

With all due respect that is not a counter example to what I suggested. See my comments below which were very clearly made in the context of a team environment (particularly the bolded part).

In short - better player arguably gets better treatment than shit player. Is that such a controversial statement?

"I accepted that it is an issue so I have conceded that what you are suggesting is a possibility.

However, I also highlighted that:

1. Hayne already had a shit reputation prior to the incident so what is being 'damaged' per se?

2. There are countless examples of sports stars who have been accused and found guilty of a lot of terrible misdemeanors (up to and including anything as bad as what Jarryd is facing). If they are a valuable contributor to their teams success, the most common scenario is that the impact to their reputation and earning capacity is often neglible or non-existent. Form on the field typically overrides any misdemeanours. Repeat offences though may get treated differently.

Based on the above considerations I then determined that whilst I was being presented with an issue, I didn't consider it to be significant.

That's not silly. It's actually quite sound logic".