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Gary Gutful

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If she was about to pass out in the uber the CCTV footage would have shown a pretty drunk young lady I would think. Plus the Willow Den is considered a biker bar (per the goggle search I just did), there is a lot of bad behaviour there so they keep very clear cameras everywhere.

For example I just watched a very clear and disturbing youtube video of a stabbing at the Willow Den. Have a look at it and ask yourself how the police looking at footage of Hayne and said biker bar girl would not have been able to tell how drunk she was.

Drop mic.
Drop bullshit.

That made zero sense whatsoever. If they establish she is drunk what does that even prove? Its already been established she was drunk.

There is a lot of speculation in this thread (including from you). However, I reckon there is one thing we can be fairly certain on. The 'act' itself (whatever that involved) didn't occur in front of a CCTV camera.
 

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Viewing a CCTV footage will not necessarily establish intoxication.

Bit of a long bow there.
 

Happy MEel

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With all due respect that is not a counter example to what I suggested. See my comments below which were very clearly made in the context of a team environment (particularly the bolded part).

In short - better player arguably gets better treatment than shit player. Is that such a controversial statement?

"I accepted that it is an issue so I have conceded that what you are suggesting is a possibility.

However, I also highlighted that:

1. Hayne already had a shit reputation prior to the incident so what is being 'damaged' per se?

2. There are countless examples of sports stars who have been accused and found guilty of a lot of terrible misdemeanors (up to and including anything as bad as what Jarryd is facing). If they are a valuable contributor to their teams success, the most common scenario is that the impact to their reputation and earning capacity is often neglible or non-existent. Form on the field typically overrides any misdemeanours. Repeat offences though may get treated differently.

Based on the above considerations I then determined that whilst I was being presented with an issue, I didn't consider it to be significant.

That's not silly. It's actually quite sound logic".
Let’s rattle them off then...

Kobe Bryant (NBA)
Ray Rice (NFL)
Michael Vick (NFL)

https://www.google.com.au/amp/www.n...etes-lost-endorsement-deals-gallery-1.2761173

Barry Bonds (Major League)
Adrian Peterson (NFL)
Wayne Rooney (Premier League)
Aaron Hernandez (NFL)
Jason Giambi (Major League)
Gilbert Arenas (NBA)
Warren Sap (NFL)

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...rth/athletes-lost-huge-endorsement-deals/amp/

That’s also off a very quick google search. So we have established that star players in team sports have suffered significant financial loss due to reputation damage. This is not even considering the loss of potential sponsorships post damage. I’m yet to see anything from you to the contrary.

In response to your first point about Hayne’s shit reputation, that hasn’t stopped him from earning considerable corporate sponsorships such as Trip-a-Deal. Would they have been interested if these rape claims had been made public prior?

I have no issue with your “in short”. Star players are often treated much better. I was simply pulling you up on your earlier statement that a damaged reputation wouldn’t result in a big issue for the person involved.
 
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And as has been pointed out there's a massive difference between people thinking you're a grub compared to them thinking you're a rapist. The damage for the latter isn't limited to financial cost.
 

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So to sum up Gary’s thoughts:

- The only thing this girl did wrong was get drunk and go home with Jarryd
- Jarryd is a grub and likely f**ked her without consent even though he thought he had consent, though there is no evidence what so ever to suggest this
- there is no issue with her staying anonymous and getting Jarryds name plastered all over the media as a rapist
- even if he gets labeled a rapist it makes no difference because lots of people don’t like him anyway
- being called a rapist won’t have too much effect on his reputation or future earning capacity
 

Gary Gutful

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Let’s rattle them off then...

Kobe Bryant (NBA)
Ray Rice (NFL)
Michael Vick (NFL)

https://www.google.com.au/amp/www.n...etes-lost-endorsement-deals-gallery-1.2761173

Barry Bonds (Major League)
Adrian Peterson (NFL)
Wayne Rooney (Premier League)
Aaron Hernandez (NFL)
Jason Giambi (Major League)
Gilbert Arenas (NBA)
Warren Sap (NFL)

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...rth/athletes-lost-huge-endorsement-deals/amp/

That’s also off a very quick google search. So we have established that star players in team sports have suffered significant financial loss due to reputation damage. This is not even considering the loss of potential sponsorships post damage. I’m yet to see anything from you to the contrary.

In response to your first point about Hayne’s shit reputation, that hasn’t stopped him from earning considerable corporate sponsorships such as Trip-a-Deal. Would they have been interested if these rape claims had been made public prior?

I have no issue with your “in short”. Star players are often treated much better. I was simply pulling you up on your earlier statement that a damaged reputation wouldn’t result in a big issue for the person involved.

I said:

"The most common scenario is that the impact to their reputation and earning capacity is often neglible or non-existent."

Earning capacity is more than just whether some sponsors pull out in the short term. I'm not so stupid to suggest that in some instances corporates wont pull away for a while. The bigger question is whether such moves detrimentally impact on his ability to earn big coin.

Kobe Bryant - Signed a seven-year, $136 million contract a year after the allegations, and regained several of his endorsements. Retired as legend. Reputation and earning capacity not impacted.

https://www.forbes.com/2004/09/03/cz_kb_0903kobe.html#51688e27c6ec

Ray Rice - Convicted which means it doesn't meet my "up to and including anything as bad as what Jarryd is facing" disclaimer. I was very clear in not overreaching. If the case is bad enough, you're f**ked.

Michael Vick - Convicted and went to prison for 21 months for dog running! Again, refer to my "up to and including anything as bad as what Jarryd is facing".

Barry Bonds - The merkin cheated. Another shit example.

Adrian Petersen - Pleaded guilty to child abuse charges. Thats far worse! However, I note this quote "When he returned to the league in 2015, however, he played well and sponsors regained interest."

Wayne Rooney - It was only Coke that got rid of him and only after a second f**k up. Still made a shitload from other sponsors and his earning capacity didn't diminish.

In fact, it was announced in July 2011, that jerseys with Rooney's name and number were the best-selling sports product under the auspices of the Premier League. During the 2009–10 season, Manchester United sold between 1.2 million and 1.5 million shirts and it is estimated that of that, Rooney's name was printed on several hundred thousand.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/jul/22/wayne-rooney-manchester-united

He also signed a record EPL contract a few years later.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtba...contract-with-manchester-united/#6a95e396dc84

Not bad for a guy with shit earning capacity.

Aaron Herndandez - FFS mate, he murdered someone! How is that relevant to this discussion?

Jason Giambi - The merkin cheated. Another shit example.

Gilbert Arenas - Doesn't pass the "important part of the team" qualifier that I previously laid down. If Kobe did that the reaction and impact to Kobe's career would have been much lower.

Warren Sapp - Wasn't even a playing member of a team when the prostitution solicitation arrest was made so it isn't really a relevant example. I note from a quick search of his profile that he was involved in a number of controversies that didn't appear to stymie what was a long and prosperous career.
 

Gary Gutful

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So to sum up Gary’s thoughts:

- The only thing this girl did wrong was get drunk and go home with Jarryd
- Jarryd is a grub and likely f**ked her without consent even though he thought he had consent, though there is no evidence what so ever to suggest this
- there is no issue with her staying anonymous and getting Jarryds name plastered all over the media as a rapist
- even if he gets labeled a rapist it makes no difference because lots of people don’t like him anyway
- being called a rapist won’t have too much effect on his reputation or future earning capacity
Not quite.
 

Gary Gutful

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Drop bullshit.

That made zero sense whatsoever. If they establish she is drunk what does that even prove? Its already been established she was drunk.

There is a lot of speculation in this thread (including from you). However, I reckon there is one thing we can be fairly certain on. The 'act' itself (whatever that involved) didn't occur in front of a CCTV camera.

If only this was about Corey.
 

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