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[Happy MEel]

That's very true.

It sure is. Just ask Brett Stewart about his state of mind in 2010. It’s probably the closest example to what we are discussing here. No one knows if this had any impact on his endorsements at the time or his ability to secure endorsements after the alleged incident, but it no doubt had a significant impact on him nonetheless.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...2577f54e6?sv=cac1690e8ec33bdc6844f1dbba4bc1fe

 

[84 Baby]

Does it come down to how intoxicated he thought she was or how intoxicated she actually was? This is of course assuming she didn't consent. Could the accused have believed she was consenting, or should he have known, despite his own inebriation, that she was incapable of supplying consent? When there's two pissed merkins things get pretty ambiguous.

Confucius say “A drunk woman can consent but can renege in morning if you no good in bed, or if rich, you don’t put a ring on it”

 

[Gary Gutful]

It sure is. Just ask Brett Stewart about his state of mind in 2010. It’s probably the closest example to what we are discussing here. No one knows if this had any impact on his endorsements at the time or his ability to secure endorsements after the alleged incident, but it no doubt had a significant impact on him nonetheless.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...2577f54e6?sv=cac1690e8ec33bdc6844f1dbba4bc1fe

I’m sure he was well looked after by his club and sponsors but no doubt he had a merkin of a time.

I suspect that this was most likely compounded by the fact that he spent so much time being injured and couldn’t get out on the field and play.

 

[Happy MEel]

I said:

"The most common scenario is that the impact to their reputation and earning capacity is often neglible or non-existent."

Earning capacity is more than just whether some sponsors pull out in the short term. I'm not so stupid to suggest that in some instances corporates wont pull away for a while. The bigger question is whether such moves detrimentally impact on his ability to earn big coin.

Kobe Bryant - Signed a seven-year, $136 million contract a year after the allegations, and regained several of his endorsements. Retired as legend. Reputation and earning capacity not impacted.

https://www.forbes.com/2004/09/03/cz_kb_0903kobe.html#51688e27c6ec

Ray Rice - Convicted which means it doesn't meet my "up to and including anything as bad as what Jarryd is facing" disclaimer. I was very clear in not overreaching. If the case is bad enough, you're f**ked.

Michael Vick - Convicted and went to prison for 21 months for dog running! Again, refer to my "up to and including anything as bad as what Jarryd is facing".

Barry Bonds - The merkin cheated. Another shit example.

Adrian Petersen - Pleaded guilty to child abuse charges. Thats far worse! However, I note this quote "When he returned to the league in 2015, however, he played well and sponsors regained interest."

Wayne Rooney - It was only Coke that got rid of him and only after a second f**k up. Still made a shitload from other sponsors and his earning capacity didn't diminish.

In fact, it was announced in July 2011, that jerseys with Rooney's name and number were the best-selling sports product under the auspices of the Premier League. During the 2009–10 season, Manchester United sold between 1.2 million and 1.5 million shirts and it is estimated that of that, Rooney's name was printed on several hundred thousand.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/jul/22/wayne-rooney-manchester-united

He also signed a record EPL contract a few years later.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtba...contract-with-manchester-united/#6a95e396dc84

Not bad for a guy with shit earning capacity.

Aaron Herndandez - FFS mate, he murdered someone! How is that relevant to this discussion?

Jason Giambi - The merkin cheated. Another shit example.

Gilbert Arenas - Doesn't pass the "important part of the team" qualifier that I previously laid down. If Kobe did that the reaction and impact to Kobe's career would have been much lower.

Warren Sapp - Wasn't even a playing member of a team when the prostitution solicitation arrest was made so it isn't really a relevant example. I note from a quick search of his profile that he was involved in a number of controversies that didn't appear to stymie what was a long and prosperous career.

Hence why I raised the Australian context. No one in Australia has the capacity to earn what players like Kobe make purely for their sporting prowess. Jarryd’s Titan’s incone was made up of 1/3 corporate sponsorship for Gods sake. The proportion of earning capacity reliant on endorsements is significantly different.

I’m not sure why you get to decide what is “up to and including anything as bad as what Jarryd is facing”. I’d argue rape is worse than dog running (and I have owned dogs all my life) even if it’s only a civil case, people seem to have already made their minds up about Jarryd (including you) so conviction or not the mud sticks and a civil rape finding is far worse than drug related offences from a brand perspective.

I disagree with your earlier assertion that this won’t be a big issue for Jarryd so let’s leave it at that. In saying that, if Jarryd actually raped Ms V then I hope the merkin is taken for all he is worth. On the other hand if this is fact a cash grab, I hope she is exposed publically and is taken for all she is worth. Only the two people in that room know ( if they can remember) what happened so let’s hope karma gets it right.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

It sure is. Just ask Brett Stewart about his state of mind in 2010. It’s probably the closest example to what we are discussing here. No one knows if this had any impact on his endorsements at the time or his ability to secure endorsements after the alleged incident, but it no doubt had a significant impact on him nonetheless.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...2577f54e6?sv=cac1690e8ec33bdc6844f1dbba4bc1fe

He probably should've thought about that before he raped that girl...

 

[Gazzamatta]

I find it difficult to understand if the woman was as drunk as she and her friend testify, what was the attraction for JH? Surely a fit good looking professional NFL player would have other options. Also it very much conflicts with his Christian beliefs if it happened as alleged. Is JH also a hypocrite?
Does the fact the matter didnt proceed assume lack of evidence meaning no foul play or is it that nothing happened at all.
Also. Why did he leave his jocks behind? Was he in a hurry to leave or does he often go commando?
A decision either way wont prove a thing. Mud sticks.
Looking at it from an NRL perspective, I still reckon him keeping such serious allegations private, innocent or not, will see him in trouble. Id love to know what Max, Bernie and BA are thinking.

 

[Happy MEel]

I find it difficult to understand if the woman was as drunk as she and her friend testify, what was the attraction for JH? Surely a fit good looking professional NFL player would have other options. Also it very much conflicts with his Christian beliefs if it happened as alleged. Is JH also a hypocrite?
Does the fact the matter didnt proceed assume lack of evidence meaning no foul play or is it that nothing happened at all.
Also. Why did he leave his jocks behind? Was he in a hurry to leave or does he often go commando?
A decision either way wont prove a thing. Mud sticks.
Looking at it from an NRL perspective, I still reckon him keeping such serious allegations private, innocent or not, will see him in trouble. Id love to know what Max, Bernie and BA are thinking.

They went back to his place apparently, probably the most logical place to keep his jocks.

 

[Bandwagon]

She said she was drunk. What woman knows their ass from their vag these days?

I don't know what kinda women you hang out with, but I'm yet to meet one that doesn't.

Not that there'd be anything wrong with that.

 

[Bandwagon]

I could be way off here but is it possible that her vag was sore 4 months later because some other dude had gone to town more recently?

Could be a recurring injury. Chafing perhaps?

 

[Noise]

They went back to his place apparently, probably the most logical place to keep his jocks.

I don’t understand what stealing jocks proves? That Hayne took his undies off?

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I don’t understand what stealing jocks proves? That Hayne took his undies off?

Who knows. It does seem odd that you would take something as 'evidence' yet not go to the police or a doctor until months later, imo anyway. But people behave strangely at times.

 

[Happy MEel]

I don’t understand what stealing jocks proves? That Hayne took his undies off?

It doesn’t even prove that because they could have been from his draw.

 

[T-Boon]

Who knows. It does seem odd that you would take something as 'evidence' yet not go to the police or a doctor until months later, imo anyway. But people behave strangely at times.

I am putting this out there. Maybe she didn't go to the hospital or police for 4 months (even though she was bow legged) because that gives enough time for CCTV to be erased.

 

[Noise]

It doesn’t even prove that because they could have been from his draw.

True. All it proves was that she was at his place

 

[Chipmunk]

If she was that drunk and doesnt remember anything, how did she know she was in an Uber and not a taxi or just some randoms car?

 

[Gary Gutful]

It's true. Without footy to look forward to he just sat at home alone with dark thoughts of rape.

We’ve all been there.

 

[T-Boon]

How could CCTV footage show that anyone 'wasn't drunk'?

I am not really saying it would. I am saying if someone was so drunk they were about to pass out in an uber or that they didn't know what they were doing, it would probably show up in the CCTV footage over a period of time like a few hours of footage. Not definitely - but probably.
We aren't talking that slow arsed old grainy CCTV from the early 90s here. These days its like reality TV.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Hence why I raised the Australian context. No one in Australia has the capacity to earn what players like Kobe make purely for their sporting prowess. Jarryd’s Titan’s incone was made up of 1/3 corporate sponsorship for Gods sake. The proportion of earning capacity reliant on endorsements is significantly different.

I’m not sure why you get to decide what is “up to and including anything as bad as what Jarryd is facing”. I’d argue rape is worse than dog running (and I have owned dogs all my life) even if it’s only a civil case, people seem to have already made their minds up about Jarryd (including you) so conviction or not the mud sticks and a civil rape finding is far worse than drug related offences from a brand perspective.

I disagree with your earlier assertion that this won’t be a big issue for Jarryd so let’s leave it at that. In saying that, if Jarryd actually raped Ms V then I hope the merkin is taken for all he is worth. On the other hand if this is fact a cash grab, I hope she is exposed publically and is taken for all she is worth. Only the two people in that room know ( if they can remember) what happened so let’s hope karma gets it right.

I was basing some of my assessment on whether a guilty verdict is registered. I think that has a bearing on how sponsors, clubs etc react.

I think there is an element of truth to the whole ‘mud sticks’ thing but equally if this case is disproven I think it will largely be those that already dislike him that will hold on to it. Others will forgive and forget and the narrative will be more about how the dodgy ‘wannabe virgin christian’ stitched him up. People in sports and in particular the NRL can be quick to forgive if you happen to be a superstar.

Agree though that if he is found guilty he’s f**ked and if it is proven that she has been lying then she deserves everything she gets. It probably won’t be that black and white though.

Good chat mate. I think you raised a few good points and made me think twice about my starting position this morning.

 

[El Diablo]

has Gary given Hayne his undies back yet?

 

[Gary Gutful]

I sent them to Bart for Christmas.