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How NRL should have looked after the reformation

T-Boon

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South Sydney Rabbitohs
North Sydney Bears
St George Dragons
Balmain Tigers
Sydney Roosters
Parramatta Eels
Western Sydney Magpies
CC Sea Eagles
Wollongong Steelers
Newcastle knights
Canberra Raiders
Brisbane Broncos
Brisbane United Crushers
Gold Coast
NQ cowboys
Perth Panthers
Auckland Warriors
Melbourne Storm
Melbourne Panthers
Western Tigers

Adelaide Sharks
South Island Bulldogs
 
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Dark Corner

Juniors
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South Sydney Rabbitohs
North Sydney Bears
St George Dragons
Balmain Tigers
Sydney Roosters
Parramatta Eels
CC Sea Eagles
Wollongong Steelers
Newcastle knights
Canberra Raiders
Brisbane Broncos
Brisbane Crushers
Gold Coast
NQ cowboys
Perth Panthers
Auckland Warriors
Melbourne Storm
Adelaide Sharks
South Island Bulldogs
Thats my 3rd thought, my 2nd would be what it would look like if Australia didn't have Rugby Union ?
And first is what would the landscape look like if Rugby and Victorian Rules had merged to be the real true code of Australia and the many attempts they tried back in the 1870s, 1919 and 1933 ?
 

Fangs

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Not a bad list but some obvious changes need to be made:

- Parramatta booted out
- Western Sydney Panthers
- Port Adelaide Sharks
- Darwin Bears
- Perth Rabbitohs

An 18 team competition, removal of unimportant club/s and a proper football team for the true heartland of Rugby League in Western Sydney.
 

Perth Red

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regional teams
CC Bears
Illawarra Dragons
Canberra Raiders
NQ Cowboys
Newcastle knights

Sydney teams
Sydney City Roosters (City and north shore)
Parramatta Eels ((West)
Canterbury Bulldogs (Inner SW)
Wests Tigers (SW)
penrith Panther (far west)
southern Sharks or southern Rabbitohs (South)

SEQ teams
Brisbane Broncos
SQ Crushers
Gold Coast Chargers

National
Western Reds
Auckland Warriors
Melbourne Storm
Adelaide Rams

18 team comp with full national footprint.

25 years later and we are still not close to where we should have been when we had the opportunity in 1998 to redesign the top tier of the game.
 

Diesel

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Nothing will change from 97-99 than what would in 2022. Too many factions f**king over the greater good of the game
 

T-Boon

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You know if you take the tribalism out of the game what do you have a game without a soul, a lot of fans will not have any interaction with the game if teams are merged or relocated..

Mergers were a mistake. Mergers are horrid. They should never happen again.
Relocations are fine. The Rabbitohs have done it successfully albeit over a short distance.
Tribalism isn't getting big enough crowds in or otherwise doing enough to keep most Sydney clubs doing well.
 

Marlins

Juniors
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20 Teams

Queensland 4Teams -
NQLD Cowboys
Brisbane Broncos
SQLD Crushers
Gold Coast Dolphins

NSW 10Teams-
Newcastle Knights
Central Coast Bears
Manly Sea Eagles
South Sydney Rabbitohs
Sydney City Bulldogs
Western Sydney Tigers
Parramatta Eels
Penrith Panthers
St.George Sutherland Dragons
Illawarra Steelers

Australia 4Teams -
Canberra Raiders
MelBourne Roosters
Adelaide Rams
Western Reds

New Zealand 2Teams-
Auckland Warriors
Wellington Sharks
 

siv

First Grade
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Simple should be

Newcastle
Canberra
Manly
Parramatta
Penrith
Easts
Souths
CC Bears
Canterbury
St Merge
Cronulla
Newtown
Wests
Balmain

26 rounds everyone plays home/away 6 team finals
 

soc123_au

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20 Teams

Queensland 4Teams -
NQLD Cowboys
Brisbane Broncos
SQLD Crushers
Gold Coast Dolphins

NSW 10Teams-
Newcastle Knights
Central Coast Bears
Manly Sea Eagles
South Sydney Rabbitohs
Sydney City Bulldogs
Western Sydney Tigers
Parramatta Eels
Penrith Panthers
St.George Sutherland Dragons
Illawarra Steelers

Australia 4Teams -
Canberra Raiders
MelBourne Roosters
Adelaide Rams
Western Reds

New Zealand 2Teams-
Auckland Warriors
Wellington Sharks
Uncle Nick will send a hit squad to sort you out for even thinking this.
 
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Crushers were financially unviable.

Chargers had money in the bank.

Illawarra Steelers had no money and couldn't survive as a 50% partner of the St George Illawarra Dragons. News Ltd offered the Steelers a spot in Super League that would have guaranteed their survival, but they were too stupid to take it and sacked Graham Murray for negotiating with them.

St George Dragons, North Sydney Bears and South Sydney Rabbitohs were struggling to tread water.

Auckland Warriors, Adelaide Rams and Western Reds were in a perilous position.

Balmain Tigers and Western Suburbs Magpies Tigers were in deep trouble.

If we let natural attrition sort out the layout of the land then we would have ended up with the following teams by 2002.

QUEENSLAND
Brisbane Broncos
Gold Coast Chargers
North Queensland Cowboys

NEW SOUTH WALES
Canterbury Bulldogs
Cronulla Sharks
Manly Sea Eagles
Newcastle Knights
Parramatta Eels
Penrith Panthers
Sydney Roosters

OTHER
Canberra Raiders

HEARTLAND TEAMS CUT
Balmain Tigers
Hunter Mariners
Illawarra Steelers
North Sydney Bears
South Sydney Rabbitohs
South Queensland Crushers
St George Dragons
Western Suburbs Magpies

We would have had 11 teams, with one team representing northern Sydney, one representing southern Sydney and one representing the CBD/eastern Sydney. Another three from western Sydney and one from Newcastle.

Adelaide Rams, Auckland Warriors and Western Reds would have needed to be supported until they became sustainable to run a 14 team competition. Over time there could have been expansion into Melbourne and Brisbane 2 for a 16 team league.

Ideally you would rebrand some clubs for marketing.

Adelaide Rams
Auckland Warriors
Brisbane Broncos
Canberra Raiders
Gold Coast Chargers
Newcastle Knights
North Queensland Cowboys
North Sydney Sea Eagles
Parramatta Eels
Penrith Panthers
Perth Reds
South Sydney Sharks
Sydney Roosters
Western Sydney Bulldogs

Add Moreton Bay Dolphins and Melbourne Storm.
 
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flippikat

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Crushers were financially unviable.

Chargers had money in the bank.

Illawarra Steelers had no money and couldn't survive as a 50% partner of the St George Illawarra Dragons. News Ltd offered the Steelers a spot in Super League that would have guaranteed their survival, but they were too stupid to take it and sacked Graham Murray for negotiating with them.

St George Dragons, North Sydney Bears and South Sydney Rabbitohs were struggling to tread water.

Auckland Warriors, Adelaide Rams and Western Reds were in a perilous position.

Balmain Tigers and Western Suburbs Magpies Tigers were in deep trouble.

If we let natural attrition sort out the layout of the land then we would have ended up with the following teams by 2002.

QUEENSLAND
Brisbane Broncos
Gold Coast Chargers
North Queensland Cowboys

NEW SOUTH WALES
Canterbury Bulldogs
Cronulla Sharks
Manly Sea Eagles
Newcastle Knights
Parramatta Eels
Penrith Panthers
Sydney Roosters

OTHER
Canberra Raiders

HEARTLAND TEAMS CUT
Balmain Tigers
Hunter Mariners
Illawarra Steelers
North Sydney Bears
South Sydney Rabbitohs
South Queensland Crushers
St George Dragons
Western Suburbs Magpies

We would have had 11 teams, with one team representing northern Sydney, one representing southern Sydney and one representing the CBD/eastern Sydney. Another three from western Sydney and one from Newcastle.

Adelaide Rams, Auckland Warriors and Western Reds would have needed to be supported until they became sustainable to run a 14 team competition. Over time there could have been expansion into Melbourne and Brisbane 2 for a 16 team league.

Ideally you would rebrand some clubs for marketing.

Adelaide Rams
Auckland Warriors
Brisbane Broncos
Canberra Raiders
Gold Coast Chargers
Newcastle Knights
North Queensland Cowboys
North Sydney Sea Eagles
Parramatta Eels
Penrith Panthers
Perth Reds
South Sydney Sharks
Sydney Roosters
Western Sydney Bulldogs

Add Moreton Bay Dolphins and Melbourne Storm.
Yep, you construct a good scenario where we get to 14 teams.

The positives: Perth, Adelaide, Gold Coast & Auckland kept, Sydney is rationalized to 6 top tier clubs, and scope for Melbourne & Brisbane 2 to be added for a still manageable 16 team competition.

The negatives - no teams in the Illawarra, nor on the Central Coast (but hey.. maybe scope there for a few games per year, and NSW Cup teams of their own?), Broncos get a period of monopoly over their city until the competition expands again, loss of great brands like Tigers & Rabbitohs (could they be saved by relocation/merger ala Brisbane Lions in AFL?)

I actually think the way forward for SE-Qld in this scenario would be the Chargers to rebrand to Dolphins (with Redcliffe as feeder club, keeping jade & purple as colors), and Brisbane Tigers as an expansion team alongside the Storm when the competition goes to 16 teams.

Big positives for a Chargers rebrand are that the Dolphin brand is brilliantly marketable, and it means there's not two clubs with a lightening-bolt motif in their branding when the Storm are added later.

As well as that, a Brisbane Lions-style merge/relocation would see the Perth Magpies & South Australia Rabbitohs take the place of Reds & Rams in the competition.
 
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flippikat

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Mergers were a mistake. Mergers are horrid. They should never happen again.
Relocations are fine. The Rabbitohs have done it successfully albeit over a short distance.
Tribalism isn't getting big enough crowds in or otherwise doing enough to keep most Sydney clubs doing well.
Spot on.

Nice that you mention Souths - because for all the marketing says about Redfern, their home ground isn't the closest NRL-standard stadium to that suburb, and their supporter base has been skewing west over the last 2 decades.. so who do they represent now? It's a soft-relocation.
 
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Yep, you construct a good scenario where we get to 14 teams.

The positives: Perth, Adelaide, Gold Coast & Auckland kept, Sydney is rationalized to 6 top tier clubs, and scope for Melbourne & Brisbane 2 to be added for a still manageable 16 team competition.

The negatives - no teams in the Illawarra, nor on the Central Coast (but hey.. maybe scope there for a few games per year, and NSW Cup teams of their own?), Broncos get a period of monopoly over their city until the competition expands again, loss of great brands like Tigers & Rabbitohs (could they be saved by relocation/merger ala Brisbane Lions in AFL?)

I actually think the way forward for SE-Qld in this scenario would be the Chargers to rebrand to Dolphins (with Redcliffe as feeder club, keeping jade & purple as colors), and Brisbane Tigers as an expansion team alongside the Storm when the competition goes to 16 teams.

Big positives for a Chargers rebrand are that the Dolphin brand is brilliantly marketable, and it means there's not two clubs with a lightening-bolt motif in their branding when the Storm are added later.

As well as that, a Brisbane Lions-style merge/relocation would see the Perth Magpies & South Australia Rabbitohs take the place of Reds & Rams in the competition.
Without the Dragons and Steelers there wouldn't be any teams using red and white as their colours, so the Chargers could merge with Redcliffe to become the East Coast Dolphins, wearing red and white.

Another option would be for the Easts Tigers to merge with Chargers to become the East Coast Tigers. They would cover southeast Brisbane down to Coolangatta.
 

titoelcolombiano

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A twist on this thread... if we got the ARL right in the beginning... still lots of turmoil in the mid-to-late 90's but at least the comp comes out the other end stronger...

North QLD Cowboys
Redcliffe Dolphins (North Brisbane / Moreton Bay)
Brisbane Tigers (City and East Brisbane)
Ipswich Jets (West Brisbane and Ipswich)
Gold Coast Bears

Auckland Warriors
Christchurch Bulls

Newcastle Knights
Central Coast Sea Eagles
Canberra Raiders
St George Illawarra Dragons (Wollongong)

Sydney Roosters (City and North Sydney)
Cronulla Sharks (South Sydney)
South Sydney Rabbitohs (South Sydney)
Parramatta Eels (Western Sydney)
Canterbury Bulldogs (Western Sydney)
Penrith Panthers (Western Sydney)

Melbourne Storm
Adelaide Rams
Perth Reds

1988 - Newcastle Knights added to the NSWRL to make a 14 team comp

1995 - Wests Magpies and Balmain Tigers go broke and are relegated to the now second tier NSW Cup. Brisbane Tigers, Redcliffe and Ipswich join with the NSWRL clubs to form a new 16 team ARL comp,

1998 - North Sydney Bears and Illawarra Steelers go broke and are relegated to the now second tier NSW Cup. Manly take ARL financial incentives and relocate to the Central Coast to use the new stadium that was earmarked for the Bears which solves their ageing Brooky problem. St George take on the Wollongong region after the demise of the Steelers and rename themselves the St George Illawarra Dragons. The Burleigh Bears are promoted to the ARL and rename themselves the Gold Coast Bears. Auckland Warriors enter the ARL to return the comp to 16 teams.

2002 - North QLD Cowboys and Perth Reds join the ARL comp to make it 18 teams.

2010 - Adelaide Rams join the ARL comp to make it 19 teams

2012 - Christchurch join to make it 20 teams
 

Perth Red

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This has been rehashed so many times lol. All the wishing in the world isnt going to turn back the clock! Deal with what we've got and keep growing.
 
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This has been rehashed so many times lol. All the wishing in the world isnt going to turn back the clock! Deal with what we've got and keep growing.
We need to augment our junior playing base by a lot more than we have now and at the same time augment our fan base by appealing more to a broader base than we do now.
 

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