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How the NRL should look like.

The Great Dane

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Adelaide.

THe Magpie is their bloody CoA

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That could work if the Magpies were serious about getting back into the competition as a stand alone entity and it was backed by local business and the SA government.

Of course it's never going to happen because if the Magpies were to attempt to regain entry into the NRL as a standalone entity they'd want it to be in Sydney.
 
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T-Boon

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That could work if the Magpies were serious about getting back into the competition as a stand alone entity and it was backed by local business and the SA government.

Of course it's never going to happen because if the Magpies were to attempt to regain entry into the NRL as a standalone entity they'd want it to be in Sydney.

In my opinion the Tigers and the Magpies would be happier if they separated. Its just not working out. I like the idea of the Adelaide Magpies (or maybe Southern Magpies or South West Magpies). They could play up to 5 games a year at Campbelltown (better than the present deal). The Tigers could move to Perth and call themselves the Western Tigers and likewise play 5 games a year at Leichhardt (better than the present deal).
Make it a bitter split with allegations of infidelity (and DV) and you could have their yearly clash at ANZ in front of every League fan in the city.
 

Haffa

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In my opinion the Tigers and the Magpies would be happier if they separated. Its just not working out. I like the idea of the Adelaide Magpies (or maybe Southern Magpies or South West Magpies). They could play up to 5 games a year at Campbelltown (better than the present deal). The Tigers could move to Perth and call themselves the Western Tigers and likewise play 5 games a year at Leichhardt (better than the present deal).
Make it a bitter split with allegations of infidelity (and DV) and you could have their yearly clash at ANZ in front of every League fan in the city.
So much stupidity in one post.
 

Irish-bulldog

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You don't have much faith in the games prospects.

Mate why the hell would you put 2 Sydney brands who would only play half their games in WA and SA markets. You can't Don't expansion half arsed, commit to the new areas proplery, something the locals can take owniship of, and connect with. Stop clinging to the past, adapt or die off.
 

T-Boon

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Mate why the hell would you put 2 Sydney brands who would only play half their games in WA and SA markets. You can't Don't expansion half arsed, commit to the new areas proplery, something the locals can take owniship of, and connect with. Stop clinging to the past, adapt or die off.

These are cities that aren't begging for teams.
I mean, sure, we could wait for Adelaide to grow organically and in 2075 have a reserve grade team there or something. But in my opinion it is better to have teams in these places now, sort of ram it down their throats.

What, you think with the "Magpies" the Adelaide locals are going to say "no, thats not the RL team I wanted I wanted legit Adelaide RL"...haha. They'll get on board with that as much as they would an authentic Rams type team. Which isn't much, but something to grow whilst still having a spiritual home in Sydney.

We could clear out a dysfunctional Sydney team in the process and also make it better for the traditional fans of the dysfunctional merger.
 

Irish-bulldog

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These are cities that aren't begging for teams.
I mean, sure, we could wait for Adelaide to grow organically and in 2075 have a reserve grade team there or something. But in my opinion it is better to have teams in these places now, sort of ram it down their throats.

What, you think with the "Magpies" the Adelaide locals are going to say "no, thats not the RL team I wanted I wanted legit Adelaide RL"...haha. They'll get on board with that as much as they would an authentic Rams type team. Which isn't much, but something to grow whilst still having a spiritual home in Sydney.

We could clear out a dysfunctional Sydney team in the process and also make it better for the traditional fans of the dysfunctional merger.


Mergers in my opinion don't work I'll agree, but neither do relocating teams. id love to see league have pro teams in both cities, but it needs to be done right, not bringing Sydney discards which still play 50% of home games in Sydney , how is that ramming it down the throats in these new cities?.
 

T-Boon

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Mergers in my opinion don't work I'll agree, but neither do relocating teams. id love to see league have pro teams in both cities, but it needs to be done right, not bringing Sydney discards which still play 50% of home games in Sydney , how is that ramming it down the throats in these new cities?.

Serious Q: has there ever been a relocated team in the NRL? I cannot think of one.
They have worked out ok in NFL, AFL, MLB etc.

I don't think an Adelaide (or Perth for that matter) team would be ready for 12 home games. Its too many for most Sydney teams for god sake. 6-8 would be plenty. So long as the players live there. They have a home ground there. Advertise.

You can always increase the ration when it grows.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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That could work if the Magpies were serious about getting back into the competition as a stand alone entity and it was backed by local business and the SA government.

Of course it's never going to happen because if the Magpies were to attempt to regain entry into the NRL as a standalone entity they'd want it to be in Sydney.

I dont personally care if it is the old Wests entity or if its an entirely new group, i just think the name is appropriate for Adelaide and there hasnt been a Magpies team in the comp in 17 years (at what point do Wests reasonably lose the right to exclusive use of the brand in shit comp?)

The only reason i suggest linking it to the old Wests team is for histories sake. But if that come with too much baggage, then f*ck it...
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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In my opinion the Tigers and the Magpies would be happier if they separated. Its just not working out. I like the idea of the Adelaide Magpies (or maybe Southern Magpies or South West Magpies). They could play up to 5 games a year at Campbelltown (better than the present deal). The Tigers could move to Perth and call themselves the Western Tigers and likewise play 5 games a year at Leichhardt (better than the present deal).
Make it a bitter split with allegations of infidelity (and DV) and you could have their yearly clash at ANZ in front of every League fan in the city.

You just made the proposal terrible...

If a team leaves sydney for a new city only to declare to theworld that their heart is back in their old home, they will never be acepted by the new market.

You cant have a foot in the Sydney market and expect perth/adelaide people to see your move as anything more than a short-term fix. Its all or nothing...
 

T-Boon

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If a team leaves sydney for a new city only to declare to theworld that their heart is back in their old home, they will never be acepted by the new market.

You cant have a foot in the Sydney market and expect perth/adelaide people to see your move as anything more than a short-term fix. Its all or nothing...

I don't agree.

For example, for some bizarre reason Canberra seem to turn out to watch GWS in ok numbers even though GWS are not even vaguely from the town. Perth turns out to watch Rabbitohs games even though they are just visiting once or twice a year. Same with Hawthorn in Tasmania - I think they take 3 games. I can't really think of any examples where this approach to expansion hasn't worked and has turned out the way you say.

The key is to make it clear through promotion and community engagement that the club is local.

I think 12 home games would be way too many for one of these new towns. 8 would be heaps.

I concede that 5 games in Campbelltown may be too many. But they would play a tone of games in Sydney anyway just as away games so they use Campbelltown as their Sydney base. A couple of games there is not going to turn Adelaide off.
 
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Travitoh

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The NRL has only ever put in half arsed attempts to break in to the Adelaide market, only bringing 1 game at most.
Sign up Penrith or Wests to a multi game deal (2 or 3) and spread them out over the season and to build some genuine interest.
Then bring a State of Origin if it works as 'reward' to get the public really behind it.
Another option would be to use the Pacific test triple header as a tool. Rugby 7's worked here because it had a party vibe and you could do the same with the tests, while also putting some quality rugby league on display
 

The Great Dane

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I dont personally care if it is the old Wests entity or if its an entirely new group, i just think the name is appropriate for Adelaide and there hasnt been a Magpies team in the comp in 17 years (at what point do Wests reasonably lose the right to exclusive use of the brand in shit comp?)

The only reason i suggest linking it to the old Wests team is for histories sake. But if that come with too much baggage, then f*ck it...

Fair enough, but the West Magpies history isn't relevant to Adelaide anyway so it'd only be an homage to the old Sydney club (and fans) anyway so why bother, they'd end up just being seen as sloppy seconds by the people of Adelaide and as a cheap imitation by the old Magpies fans in Sydney.

I always liked Murder (as in a murder of crows) for a teams name, could do some very interesting branding (and marketing) with a name like that.

Adelaide Murder, that'd make them the Adelaide Crows without being the Adelaide Crows lol.

I don't agree.

For example, for some bizarre reason Canberra seem to turn out to watch GWS in ok numbers even though GWS are not even vaguely from the town. Perth turns out to watch Rabbitohs games even though they are just visiting once or twice a year. Same with Hawthorn in Tasmania - I think they take 3 games. I can't really think of any examples where this approach to expansion hasn't worked and has turned out the way you say.

The key is to make it clear through promotion and community engagement that the club is local.

I think 12 home games would be way too many for one of these new towns. 8 would be heaps.

I concede that 5 games in Campbelltown may be too many. But they would play a tone of games in Sydney anyway just as away games so they use Campbelltown as their Sydney base. A couple of games there is not going to turn Adelaide off.

Those sorts of arrangements only work when the team in question is on top of the table and looks like they might win the whole competition or if the city/region that the games are going to has no hope of hosting their own professional sports team in the near future (e.g. Darwin and Tasmania).
And I can think of plenty of examples where these types of deals have failed- North Melbourne in Canberra, Western Bulldogs in Canberra, St Kilda in Wellington, CC Mariners in Canberra, Cronulla in Adelaide, Canterbury Bulldogs in Adelaide, etc.

In my experience these deals do more harm then good because once they fall apart (and they always fall apart eventually) it looks like the competition is abandoning the city to locals, and normally (especially in the case of the AFL in Canberra and NRL in Perth) they have been teasing a new local club for years to sell tickets, without any intention of delivering on that new club anytime in the near future, and that does plenty of damage in of it's self.

And this line is just moronically stupid-
The key is to make it clear through promotion and community engagement that the club is local.
It doesn't matter how much promotion or community engagement you do the GWS Giants will never be a local team to Canberra and the Rabbitohs will never be a local Perth team in the eyes of locals (apart from in the eyes of only the most extremely one eyed sycophantic fans, of which their are literally only a handful) unless they relocate to Canberra or Perth respectively and re-brand to include Canberra and Perth in their brands.
 

T-Boon

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And this line is just moronically stupid- It doesn't matter how much promotion or community engagement you do the GWS Giants will never be a local team to Canberra and the Rabbitohs will never be a local Perth team in the eyes of locals (apart from in the eyes of only the most extremely one eyed sycophantic fans, of which their are literally only a handful) unless they relocate to Canberra or Perth respectively and re-brand to include Canberra and Perth in their brands.

I am not sure what you are crapping on about here with your dumb point of view that has missed everything.

I am talking about Magpies to Adelaide and Tigers to Perth. You do it the same way the Swans did moving to Sydney. Keep a spiritual base in the original city and keep as many of those fans on board as possible. The Swans have stacks of Melbourne members.

Play a few of their home games at Campbelltown. What the big deal?
 

T-Boon

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Those sorts of arrangements only work when the team in question is on top of the table and looks like they might win the whole competition or if the city/region that the games are going to has no hope of hosting their own professional sports team in the near future (e.g. Darwin and Tasmania).

And WTH is this?
GWS did OK in Canberra for years while they were stone cold last. The Rabbitohs have been ordinary the last couple of year, but draw OK Perth crowds. You are talking complete nonsense dude.

An Adelaide Magpies club would be playing a lot of games in Sydney whether you like it or not. So would Western Tigers. Fans in those cities aren't going to let that stop them getting on board.
 

Perth Red

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You might keep a few hundred fans from the Tigers and magpies but is it worth not having a fresh new local brand that people of Perth and Adelaide can feel is there own?

More relevant would be the potential benefit of a link up with the Tigers and magpies leagues clubs/Jnr set ups.
 

T-Boon

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You might keep a few hundred fans from the Tigers and magpies but is it worth not having a fresh new local brand that people of Perth and Adelaide can feel is there own?

The Swans have an estimated 12,000 Melbourne members. Thats after 40 years and with no home games in Melbourne. A handful of home games in Leichhardt (and obviously cheaper membership for less games) the Western Tigers should be able to retain several thousand ex Balmain members.
 

Perth Red

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neither the Tigers or magpies have even close to that level of support now! You'd be lucky to have around d 7k committed fans from each side now, if they managers to keep 10% it would be so minimal as to be arguably not worth the opportunity to bring in some new brands to the nrl that locals felt were their own.
 
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