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How the rich clubs are sidestepping the salary cap

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How the rich clubs are sidestepping the salary cap

League News
Date March 20, 2014

Roy Masters

Rugby League Columnist





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Sharks prop Andrew Fifita. His signing has raised objections about the fairness of the salary cap. Photo: Getty Images

Coaches fear the much touted "level" NRL playing field is tilting towards a handful of rich clubs, via a proliferation of Third Party Agreements (TPAs) which allow uncapped payments to players outside the official salary ceiling.

Cronulla's Andrew Fifita has been signed by Canterbury for $850,000, with the prevailing belief half this amount will be registered in the club's salary cap of $6.3m, with the other half legitimately recorded as a payment by non-club sponsors.

It means the Bulldogs can sign two front rows of talent, with only one effectively being counted in the cap.
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Top end of town: Roosters chairman Nick Politis and Sonny Bill Williams in 2011. Photo: James Alcock

The NRL has no cap on TPAs, meaning a club with a wealthy coterie of business connections can point a player manager in the direction of a friend/supporter and arrange for an individual sponsorship.


An NRL spokesman sought to allay this fear by telling Fairfax Media the league administration would not register a player's contract if the amount shown to be included in the salary cap did not reflect the player's market value.
That is, if the Bulldogs registered Fifita for an inside-the-cap payment of $425,000, it would be rejected.
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Mark Gasnier (No.14) marks Sonny Bill Williams (R) playing rugby in France. TPAs were designed to stop a player drain to rugby. Photo: Getty Images

Nevertheless, there is widespread concern clubs such as the Roosters, with top-end-of-town connections; the Bulldogs, with a rich Leagues Club connected to multiple service providers; and the Broncos - a one-town team - are perfectly positioned to capitalise on the absence of a ceiling on TPAs.

Should the financially weak clubs attempt to compete by utilising the TPA loophole, it is likely to drain sponsorship funds away from the club.
Any local business which elects to support a player via a TPA deprives a club of much needed revenue.

Cronulla is most vulnerable to the trend, with its nucleus of high profile talent and the crippling legal and punitive cost of the supplements saga.
The original purpose of TPAs was to help retain key players in the code, following the loss of champions such as St George Illawarra's Mark Gasnier to French rugby union.

But there is now a fear that rather than be used to retain NRL stars flirting with other codes and countries, TPAs have been used to recruit them.
Furthermore, a $40,000 to $50,000 TPA top-up to an official payment allows a club to secure a player's signature.
Each TPA must be approved by the club and the NRL, ostensibly to protect against ambush marketing of an existing sponsor.

This means the NRL is aware of the number and financial size of the TPAs at each club and could therefore monitor a trend which many suspect will show a concentration of these payments at a small number of clubs.
The NRL claims its registration process reveals no such disproportionate trend towards use of TPAs by rich clubs.

Coincidentally, the NRL has flagged the possibility of a cap on football department spending, imposing a ceiling on non-player payment outlays, such as the total wages of training and coaching staff and even comforts, including meals.

This raises the obvious question: why impose a limit on spending on professional services in order to create a level playing field when the main vehicle to achieve this - the salary cap - is being undermined by a growth in TPAs?

Compounding the irony of these developments are the Storm, who were stripped of two premierships and a host of players because they flouted the rules on TPAs.

The Storm's sin was to guarantee TPAs, meaning that if the club could not secure an agreed sponsorship for a player, it would pay the sum itself.
It was a recognition that, in an AFL city, individual sponsorships are hard to find.

Guaranteeing TPAs is still prohibited but within 12 months of the Storm's draconian punishment, the NRL introduced a Marquee Player Allowance where the club could arrange a payment of $500,000 outside the cap.
It also liberalised the use of cars by players, changing it from a situation where club sponsors could not provide any vehicles, to three per club and now six.
This is meritorious in that it allows additional money, which could have been diverted to other sports, to flow to the code.

While TPAs also source money which could be lost, only a handful of clubs have access to this rich pool.

The NRL correctly points to the role of player managers in securing TPAs.
If these highly paid agents rely on rich clubs to point them in the direction of a sponsor who will help secure a player, they are not fulfilling their responsibility to their clients at poor clubs.

"There is nothing stopping a player manager at a so called poor club in Sydney arranging a TPA with say a Brisbane-based company," a NRL source said.
"We would be foolish to limit the amount of money coming into the code."



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-salary-cap-20140321-hvksf.html#ixzz2we1evdun
 

Dragonboyd

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Until we get to the level of separation teams in the AFL have in terms of squad talent, I wouldn't be too worried. ALL nrl clubs are capable of beating each other, sure the bigger and richer clubs will always draw some non-loyal big talent, but that's the way the world of competitive sports has always been.
 

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It's a fact of life that players in all sports make a substantial income from endorsements and any cap on that would be a restriction of trade. You also need to keep the top players in the game and this does assist us. I think it's important to note that a players true worth is included in the salary cap. If Fafita's value is really $850k then regardless if half of that is met by TPA's then that value will go toward the cap. IMO he is only worth around $500k-600k. I do agree it creates an unlevel playing field but clubs with good public image, management and marketing should be rewarded. Is it fair that South Sydney has so many members? Do you want to put a cap on membership as well? The game is dependent on its commercial viability and its up to the less connected clubs with poor public image to really step up to the plate. I do think that the players sponsors should not be allowed to also be club sponsors and also that the players should earn the money through endorsing the product and making public and corporate appearances. I don't think there is an economically fair solution for all clubs but it should transparent and as suggested the players true value should go toward the cap. There are lots of things that just don't seem fair like the speed, sidestep or size of a player but you can't tell Barba he's only allowed to run in straight lines. NRL is and should be competitive on and off the field. On the upside a player that brings the game into disrepute has to be concerned with losing his own sponsors as well.
 
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GT0007

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Besides trying to provide a level playing field the cap is to protect clubs from themselves so they don't over spend on their roster.
 

DJShaksta

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surely this isnt right, it cant be that blatant?

It is Rev, and that's the problem.

Player manager says to player "hey if you go to this club you can get $xxx extra on 3rd party deals whereas if you stay with that club you can't"
Player does what manager says.
Manager gets more $$ as % of contract.

Rich clubs sign great players on high end TPD's. Poorer clubs who offer the same salary cap contribution but smaller TPD get shafted.
We end up with EPL style competition where only 4 or 5 clubs are any real chance of winning.
 

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It is Rev, and that's the problem.

Player manager says to player "hey if you go to this club you can get $xxx extra on 3rd party deals whereas if you stay with that club you can't"
Player does what manager says.
Manager gets more $$ as % of contract.

Rich clubs sign great players on high end TPD's. Poorer clubs who offer the same salary cap contribution but smaller TPD get shafted.
We end up with EPL style competition where only 4 or 5 clubs are any real chance of winning.
I thought that was exactly what they were cutting out after the Storm fiasco where they got boats and stuff?

This doesnt seem that hard to set rules around.. we can still keep the best players, they just need to be scattered around the clubs more evenly...
 

DJShaksta

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The storm were getting their extra $$ from the club and club sponsors not 3rd parties and they were not disclosed to the NRL.
 

Jubileeboy

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The storm were getting their extra $$ from the club and club sponsors not 3rd parties and they were not disclosed to the NRL.
Much the same as you have sooked all week about others in your forum, I ask you to take your own advice. We're certainly not interested in the views of a loser from your club...FFS.
Get out you bald headed bum and get back to your swamp!

(What if we catch something off him?)
 

GT0007

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Would it be pheasible that all players were in an NRL pool where corporations could sponsor them in return for endorsements and appearances etc. The pool would be non club specific and the players would still earn extra money outside of the cap. That way the player would earn what they were worth on the open market not bumped up to facilitate contract negotiations. There would have to be criteria set out as to how many sponsors each player could have on board so they weren't over committed. It may be that each player can have 3 sponsors and it goes to the highest 3 bidders. Naturally the company will bid for players for the specific club they want to support but it will but done each year and not in anyway linked to contracts either retaining or recruiting players and more relative to market value of the player. It also keeps everything transparent. If you want NRL to be a national game it also presents the opportunity for companies outside of the clubs area to sponsor a player and they could be a short or sleeve sponsor.
 

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No one comes into the sharks forum to have discussion. They come in to sling shit.
If you think I'm trolling report my posts
 

Jubileeboy

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No one comes into the sharks forum to have discussion. They come in to sling shit.
If you think I'm trolling report my posts

No one cares what you think.....
This is not the home of the worlds most delusional club and supporters. So if I go in to the shit pit of yours tomorrow, you think the rest of the delusional losers will be happy to 'chat' ?
It's like a gathering of Tourette's sufferers in your hole.
Give it a rest ya pelican. No other forum in LU shows hatred towards other clubs forum posters as does yours. You are a particularly vile bunch of humans that don't deserve to be in the NRL.
Now get back to your swamp with the other Derek's
:roll:
 

possm

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Would it be pheasible that all players were in an NRL pool where corporations could sponsor them in return for endorsements and appearances etc. The pool would be non club specific and the players would still earn extra money outside of the cap. That way the player would earn what they were worth on the open market not bumped up to facilitate contract negotiations. There would have to be criteria set out as to how many sponsors each player could have on board so they weren't over committed. It may be that each player can have 3 sponsors and it goes to the highest 3 bidders. Naturally the company will bid for players for the specific club they want to support but it will but done each year and not in anyway linked to contracts either retaining or recruiting players and more relative to market value of the player. It also keeps everything transparent. If you want NRL to be a national game it also presents the opportunity for companies outside of the clubs area to sponsor a player and they could be a short or sleeve sponsor.

I believe your on the right track.

I have for a long time held the view that players should be registered and contracted to the NRL and each Club should rent their players on a 3 year basis from the NRL with all negotiations to do with players, and all payments to players, to be conducted between player managers and the NRL only.

Player’s salaries and other payments should be kept private however, the rental price of players and the progress balance of every Club's rental caps to be made public for transparency purposes.

Under such a scheme, Clubs would still have a 'rental cap' and Clubs could still negotiate with players for recruitment purposes however, the rental price would be set by the NRL.

Any player not under contract by say 31 December each year could be offered to Clubs (in order bottom to top of the previous season's ladder) under a first round draft system. All participating player's rental price would be re-set by the NRL for this draft. A second round draft could be held for players not recruited under the first draft. This second draft could take the form of an auction with no reserve on the rental price.

As this draft system is purely concerned with the placement of players with payment going to the NRL rather than with the player’s salary, I doubt there would be any legal implications – restriction of trade etc.

I feel such a scheme would result in a level playing field with regards to player recruitment while at the same time, allowing the NRL to pay market value for players. There would be a better chance of retaining players in the NRL under this rental system.

Club's should be compensated for any new junior players registered to the NRL. In this way Clubs would be rewarded for the development of their junior players.
 
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giboz71

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Am I missing something?

One of the quotes of Masters article from the NRL states that if the amount allocated to the salary cap was not reflective of the players value, it would not be registered?

So even if half of Fifita's salary is paid by TPA's, wouldn't his full contract still be attributable to the cap, no matter where the money comes from? Assuming the 850k has been agreed to be his worth? And who actually decides the 'worth' of a player?
 
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GT0007

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I believe your on the right track.

I have for a long time held the view that players should be registered and contracted to the NRL and each Club should rent their players on a 3 year basis from the NRL with all negotiations to do with players, and all payments to players, to be conducted between player managers and the NRL only.

Player?s salaries and other payments should be kept private however, the rental price of players and the progress balance of every Club's rental caps to be made public for transparency purposes.

Under such a scheme, Clubs would still have a 'rental cap' and Clubs could still negotiate with players for recruitment purposes however, the rental price would be set by the NRL.

Any player not under contract by say 31 December each year could be offered to Clubs (in order bottom to top of the previous season's ladder) under a first round draft system. All participating player's rental price would be re-set by the NRL for this draft. A second round draft could be held for players not recruited under the first draft. This second draft could take the form of an auction with no reserve on the rental price.

As this draft system is purely concerned with the placement of players with payment going to the NRL rather than with the player?s salary, I doubt there would be any legal implications ? restriction of trade etc.

I feel such a scheme would result in a level playing field with regards to player recruitment while at the same time, allowing the NRL to pay market value for players. There would be a better chance of retaining players in the NRL under this rental system.

Club's should be compensated for any new junior players registered to the NRL. In this way Clubs would be rewarded for the development of their junior players.

There is some of merit in the NRL being the middle man so there can be no confusion about Salary Cap breaches but it remains to be seen if it didn't create other issues or be too cumbersome for the NRL to take on. How much of the players worth be used bringing in a middleman as the costs would have to be absorbed somewhere?
I agree that it would create transparency and an even playing field but I don't like a draft as it takes players choice away which has implications as far as uprooting families etc as well as personal preference.
 

TheRev

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The storm were getting their extra $$ from the club and club sponsors not 3rd parties and they were not disclosed to the NRL.
Seems like a very abusable system, i.e. the difference between a '3rd party' and a 'sponsor', I wonder how hard they can investigate 3rd party books?

Am I missing something?

One of the quotes of Masters article from the NRL states that if the amount allocated to the salary cap was not reflective of the players value, it would not be registered?

So even if half of Fifita's salary is paid by TPA's, wouldn't his full contract still be attributable to the cap, no matter where the money comes from? Assuming the 850k has been agreed to be his worth? And who actually decides the 'worth' of a player?
This is how I understood it (since it seems 1000x fairer), the money can come from wherever you like, but you still have to come under the cap.
 
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