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Is It Time For SGI To Address Their TPA Problem

possm

possm

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For the entire time that TPA has been a part of the NRL's player remuneration policy, SGI have lagged behind some of the more organised clubs with regards to this form of player payment. Yes I know that TPA are supposed to be made at arms length of Clubs however, it is no coincidence that TPA suddenly appear for players as they are targeted by only certain Clubs.

I suggest our CEO ask the NRL to advise our Club just how this is done. In any case if SGI want to be one of the top clubs in the NRL, they will need to get on board with legal TPA payments and call foul when it appears that other clubs are flouting those same rules SGI have been advised to stick with.
 
Dragonslayer

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Possm, mate TPA's are not arranged by the clubs and whilst they appear to be advantageous to some it is not something we have control of. Yes, we all look at the Roosters or the Broncos and say how, well the answer is that they have a rich supporter of those clubs. News ltd with the Broncos and Politis with the Roosters. We have not, and WIn corp has it's interests in the Illawarra, not STG.

Time will tell if they are willing to invest in players going forward or try to attract any others who are dedicated STGI supporters, however, given what is written on forums such as this, why would an investor take a risk. Players are maligned and the coaching staff reduced to a rabble.(as they should be). The Roosters for example are a glitter club, they can attract TPA's (besides Politis) because (a) they are close to the CBD, where most of the high flyer businesses are (b) they go for well credentialed players, players who would enhance a business model through guest appearances or advertising. We, on the other hand, don't have that luxury, we are located in the suburbs, besides STG Bank and WIN, who else can you think of in our area who has money to invest? Just look at our jersey sponsors to get your answer.

TPA's are a blight on the game, but to try and restrict the amounts or have them made public or abandon them altogether basically falls under the category of restraint of trade. Unfortunately, the NRL created the monster, but have no idea how to control it.
 
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DragonJ

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possm said:
For the entire time that TPA has been a part of the NRL's player remuneration policy, SGI have lagged behind some of the more organised clubs with regards to this form of player payment. Yes I know that TPA are supposed to be made at arms length of Clubs however, it is no coincidence that TPA suddenly appear for players as they are targeted by only certain Clubs.

I suggest our CEO ask the NRL to advise our Club just how this is done. In any case if SGI want to be one of the top clubs in the NRL, they will need to get on board with legal TPA payments and call foul when it appears that other clubs are flouting those same rules SGI have been advised to stick with.
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Even the Sharkies attract more money in TPAs than us. A ridiculous situation. Now Doust is gone, hopefully it will improve.
 
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DragonJ

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Dragonslayer said:
Possm, mate TPA's are not arranged by the clubs and whilst they appear to be advantageous to some it is not something we have control of. Yes, we all look at the Roosters or the Broncos and say how, well the answer is that they have a rich supporter of those clubs. News ltd with the Broncos and Politis with the Roosters. We have not, and WIn corp has it's interests in the Illawarra, not STG.

Time will tell if they are willing to invest in players going forward or try to attract any others who are dedicated STGI supporters, however, given what is written on forums such as this, why would an investor take a risk. Players are maligned and the coaching staff reduced to a rabble.(as they should be). The Roosters for example are a glitter club, they can attract TPA's (besides Politis) because (a) they are close to the CBD, where most of the high flyer businesses are (b) they go for well credentialed players, players who would enhance a business model through guest appearances or advertising. We, on the other hand, don't have that luxury, we are located in the suburbs, besides STG Bank and WIN, who else can you think of in our area who has money to invest? Just look at our jersey sponsors to get your answer.

TPA's are a blight on the game, but to try and restrict the amounts or have them made public or abandon them altogether basically falls under the category of restraint of trade. Unfortunately, the NRL created the monster, but have no idea how to control it.
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This is wrong. According to the NRL, the Roosters are one of the few clubs worse than us at attracting TPAs. I can't remember exactly but I but I believe the worst were 1. Parra 2. Togers 3. Roosters 4. Dragons.
 
George Dragon

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DragonJ said:
This is wrong. According to the NRL, the Roosters are one of the few clubs worse than us at attracting TPAs. I can't remember exactly but I but I believe the worst were 1. Parra 2. Togers 3. Roosters 4. Dragons.
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This is wrong after the one team towns Roosters are up there with Panthers and Sharks
 
possm

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Dragonslayer said:
Possm, mate TPA's are not arranged by the clubs and whilst they appear to be advantageous to some it is not something we have control of. Yes, we all look at the Roosters or the Broncos and say how, well the answer is that they have a rich supporter of those clubs. News ltd with the Broncos and Politis with the Roosters. We have not, and WIn corp has it's interests in the Illawarra, not STG.

Time will tell if they are willing to invest in players going forward or try to attract any others who are dedicated STGI supporters, however, given what is written on forums such as this, why would an investor take a risk. Players are maligned and the coaching staff reduced to a rabble.(as they should be). The Roosters for example are a glitter club, they can attract TPA's (besides Politis) because (a) they are close to the CBD, where most of the high flyer businesses are (b) they go for well credentialed players, players who would enhance a business model through guest appearances or advertising. We, on the other hand, don't have that luxury, we are located in the suburbs, besides STG Bank and WIN, who else can you think of in our area who has money to invest? Just look at our jersey sponsors to get your answer.

TPA's are a blight on the game, but to try and restrict the amounts or have them made public or abandon them altogether basically falls under the category of restraint of trade. Unfortunately, the NRL created the monster, but have no idea how to control it.
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Good well thought our post; just the lead in for a change to TPA policy. What if it were NRL policy that marquee players are eligible for TPA that only:

1. Arranged by their player manager.
2. Are approved and registered by the NRL.
3. That are of a national covrage that promote national product.
4. That may be used to promote the NRL on a national or international basis.
5. That are not conditional on which Club a player is contracted to and instead contracted for a period of time and follow the player from Club to Club if he moves to another Club during the period of his TPA contract.

I'd say that a TPA scheme with the above policy measures would be more equitable among and available to most clubs thus mitigating most of the current problems associated with TPA.
 
Gareth67

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If the joint venture’s - J.Paul Getty - alias Bruce Gordon , would get his well oiled advertising machinery into gear , then perhaps these problems would be overcome.

Come back from sunny Bermuda Bruce and kick some arse , the sooner the better ! Whilst you are here deposit some money in the bank for a decent coach that will ensure a Dragon revival from 2020 onwards .
 
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BLM01

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Some conveniently forget. We had plenty of 3rd party sponsors around the Bennett era. Your coach's standing in the game also has a bit of clout when attracting 3rd party's.
Gasniers latest come back big contract after the GF was heavily weighted on 3rd party sponsors in its 1st 1-2 years, then he had backended higher salary in later years. Then he quit for the 2nd time. Gasnier's walk out still cost us money and his contract...some players.
 
dangerousdave

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George Dragon said:
This is wrong after the one team towns Roosters are up there with Panthers and Sharks
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Pretty sure Souths had close to double the TPA value of Easts last year.

But it's a moot point really. The fact that the Roosters don't register at the top of this list only leads to suspicion that they're finding other ways to pay players.
 
muzby

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dangerousdave said:
The fact that the Roosters don't register at the top of this list only leads to suspicion that they're finding other ways to pay players.
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It’s a little known fact that Uncle Nick has access to a time machine & is using it to recruit talent.

An example of this is Angus Chrichton:
https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/01/20...ichton-but-blues-mission-starts-from-scratch/

The Roosters travelled back in time, let Chrichton know they were going to sign him and gave him a massive payment 10 years ago so that they could get around the salary cap.

All went well except Chrichton let it slip about the whole time machine payment scenario.

He was warned not, or face dire consequences.

The roosters had a “fixer” travel back and cut off Chrichton’s finger as punishment. The whole “elective surgery” story was just a ruse.
 
Dragonslayer

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The biggest issue for TPA's is and always will be, what is defined as player income and what businesses are willing to divulge to sponsor that player.

For example:
A large company/corporation may agree to sponsor a player for 200k. However, because most are shareholder owned and say the majority dont follow RL, they would fear a pretty hostile shareholder meeting as to the use of their possible dividends.
So, and because TPA's are not regulated, its easier to sat we sponsored player X for 20k.

However, we do know that player salary estimates are all just media driven. Like our own Ben Hunt, some say 1.2m oer season and some say around 900k (or less even). No-one har the player, the recruitement staff and the Nrl know thw truth.
 
Saint_JimmyG

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DragonJ said:
Even the Sharkies attract more money in TPAs than us. A ridiculous situation. Now Doust is gone, hopefully it will improve.
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Aren’t Cronulla in financial strife....again?

If so, it’s alleged TPA superiority isn’t too doing too much good.
 
possm

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DragonJ said:
Evidently, if not for the superior TPAs than us, they would be in even greater financial strife.
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Blows the theory that the Rooster are able to attract TPA because of uncle Nick and their Club's close proximity to big business in the CBD.

Cronulla are even further south than St George and do not have an uncle Nick. It is time SGI woke up to themselves and got with the times. TPA would give ordinary recruitment/pathways the opportunity to compete with other clubs for marquee players.

Let's see; a demonstrator top of the range Jeep, a 300k TPA and a WIN TV should get most players over the line.
 
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