Is Ivan Cleary the most over rated coach in the NRL?

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Is Ivan Cleary the most over rated coach in the NRL?

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  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Shut up idiot

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  1. HowHigh

    HowHigh Coach

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    Is he the most over rated coach in the NRL?
    I thought it looked like he was building something with the Tigers if he stuck around but the Panthers are an absolute mess this season.

    Years Team Gms W D L W%
    2006–11 New Zealand Warriors 164 81 3 80 49
    2012–15 Penrith Panthers 100 45 0 55 45
    2017–18 Wests Tigers 43 18 0 25 42
    2019– Penrith Panthers 9 2 0 7 22
     
  2. HowHigh

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    Ok title fixed lol
     
  3. OzDragon

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    Ivan another coach amirite
     
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  5. unforgiven

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    So good watching him fail after the "immoral" behaviour of he and the Panthers.
     
  6. SBD82

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    Who still rates him?
     
  7. mozza91

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    Him or Siebold.
     
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  8. roofromoz

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    Incompetent, yes.
     
  9. SpaceMonkey

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    The only coach in existence who looks back on his tenure at the Warriors as the good old days
     
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  10. Diesel

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    The winning percentage drops each time
     
  11. edabomb

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    5 years pay for 6 months work at this rate. Smart man.
     
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  12. Panther Mick

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    No as I don't think anyone does or ever has rated him
     
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    you would have to think that if the Panthers can't turn this around and they finish somewhere at the bottom of the table Ivan will walk away. He has to for the good of his son's career and their relationship. Unless the family are all about the $$$.
     
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    The wheels were falling off at Penrith last year. How many times did they come back from horror starts to claim victory? You can’t keep doing that. Even in the semi vs sharks they were 18-0 down at one point.

    The other problem is how many of the players are actually playing for Cleary? Majority would have been signed and conditioned mentally to play for Griffin.
     
  17. KeepingTheFaith

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    He took the Warriors from a rabble to a team that consistently made the finals. Can't help that feel as if that hyped him up a little beyond his ability.

    We only made the top 4 once and the rest of the time had to fight and claw or rely on a late surge to sneak into the bottom half of the 8.

    But you know, because it was with the Warriors it was that much more of an achievement.

    Our finals appearances were a couple of surprise runs that papered over the cracks.

    In 2007 we finished 4th and went out in straight sets to Eels and Cowboys with the Cowboys game being a blowout.

    In 2008 we needed a 79th minute 80m try to shock the Storm. We the rode the momentum to beat the Roosters before being destroyed by Manly.

    In 2010 we were one and done after losing to the Titans in a game we threatened to come back into but never really looked like winning.

    In 2011 we were destroyed in week 1 by the Broncos and then required a 79th minute kick and hope to beat the Tigers. Played our best finals game to beat Melbourne before surrendering in the GF to Manly despite the scoreboard being closer than it looked.

    That's not a great finals record. 3 blowouts and 2 comfortable losses in 4 finals appearances.

    Our only 2 dominant performances came after last gasp wins. Imagine if those results had gone the other way. Cleary's record would be 0-6 In finals.

    He's not a horrible coach, is very good at rebuilding a squad, but because he got the "hopeless Worriers" to become a somewhat consistent side he was suddenly a future star coach?

    If his record had been the same while coaching a Sydney side or the Broncos/Storm etc he would have been under way more scrutiny and in some cases wouldn't have lasted 5 years.

    But you know - Warriors.
     
  18. carcharias

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    Maybe the actual team need to pull their fingers out.
     
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    Who the hell rates him?

    Dave was just doing a favour for a mate.
     
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    They can't.

    They're special.
     
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