Is promotion relagation good for the comp?

[Bib]

Being an Aussie i am interested in the whole promotion and relagation aspect. I love the way it works in the premier league beacuse it causes an imense ammount of interest. However in the Super League is it a good thing? Last year after one bad season Castleford were punted, and this season after only just going back up Leigh will be punted back down. How are clubs like Leigh supposed to become a force in one season?

I personally think the competition should be expanded by two teams and their should be no promotion or relagation.

Thoughts?

 

[MrCharisma]

I think it's one of the finest things in the ESL and i wish Australia would adopt it.

I mean, North Sydney, Adelaide, Perth, Gold Coast and anyone else would be given a chance to 'promote' into the NRL.

With smart recruiting, anyone can successfully promote, the only problem is that the promoting side often gets left with the dregs because of the timing.

Come back Castleford!

 

[Sun_Down]

I think it sucks that no ESL club has a guranteed future, which means there is little stability in the ESL. I think it would be heaps better if they reshuffled everything, threw out the non-performers added in a Welsh team etc, I mean, it will be a disaster if UTC get thrown out in like 3 years! ESL could be stronger, if they chose who they want...Relegation is stupid IMO.

In the NRL? No way! Imagine if teams like Brisbane, Parramatta or Sydney etc got relegated! We would loose a heartland of RL fans, it would kill the NRL! So instead of having brisbane pulling 30K, we could have a second Melbourne team on our hands!

Makes me wonder, if there is a city out there in the UK that is missing out big time because of relegation...

 

[SP]

promotion and relegation in australia would defintly prove if fans who really love Rugby League are willing to watch thier team in Division 1 (or whatever) or just forget them until they are back in the big time

 

[mcbulldog]

It wouldn't work here in Australia there aren't enough fully funded clubs

 

[Shaun Hewitt]

Hey

Im kinda a newbie to the SL but am very interested, my fav english club is Hull KR (well Huddersfield but Hull KR has my fav player)

Hull KR are playing in the Northern Rail Cup Final against the Castleford Tigers, does the winner of this match get promoted to the SL??? thanks in advance

 

[League Freak™]

Its a terrible system that is at the root of all of the British games problem.


They dont have enough quality players, coaches, clubs, sponsors or fans for it to work in the UK and even when it does work.....it makes for a terribly uneven competion that sends clubs broke.

 

[bender]

Its a terrible system that is at the root of all of the British games problem.


They dont have enough quality players, coaches, clubs, sponsors or fans for it to work in the UK and even when it does work.....it makes for a terribly uneven competion that sends clubs broke.

While it is not the greatest system in the world, it isnt necessarily at the heart of all british problems like people seem to bleat. The heart of british problems is that Rugby league is not the number 1 sport in England, like it is in Qld/NSW. Soccer is and by a long shot. This dilutes their talent pool and makes it difficult for England to compete with Australia. It isnt impossible but it is difficult.

A lot of people blame the fact that English clubs select second rate Aussies or dont promote youth on relegation. I cant buy it. Australia for a while now has relied on a youth policy across the board. I cant believe clubs would abandon this because of the threat of relegation. They select the youth because they think they will do a better job. English clubs dont seem to do this like the aussies. Also, I would assume that the fact that they are not the no 1 sport in their country, they do not have the same number of talented youngsters coming through that Australia does so this also makes it more difficult.

I think Relegation/promotion could work quite well in either competition if it was worked properly. I think in Europe, French Premiers should Play English premiers (and if Welsh and other sides were ever good enough, which they arent at the moment) the winner of this side should play the relegated English club with the winner staying in the top league. In Australia, the playoff should include NZ, Qld, NSW and other areas if ever strong enough. In reality, relegation would only ever happen once every 5 or more years but if a top league side couldnt beat a semi pro side they dont deserve to be in the league. There also must be the option for a relegated side to stay up. For example if Newcastle were relegated this year.

 

[ESL - Wire]

While it is not the greatest system in the world, it isnt necessarily at the heart of all british problems like people seem to bleat. The heart of british problems is that Rugby league is not the number 1 sport in England, like it is in Qld/NSW. Soccer is and by a long shot. This dilutes their talent pool and makes it difficult for England to compete with Australia. It isnt impossible but it is difficult.

A lot of people blame the fact that English clubs select second rate Aussies or dont promote youth on relegation. I cant buy it. Australia for a while now has relied on a youth policy across the board. I cant believe clubs would abandon this because of the threat of relegation. They select the youth because they think they will do a better job. English clubs dont seem to do this like the aussies. Also, I would assume that the fact that they are not the no 1 sport in their country, they do not have the same number of talented youngsters coming through that Australia does so this also makes it more difficult.

I think Relegation/promotion could work quite well in either competition if it was worked properly. I think in Europe, French Premiers should Play English premiers (and if Welsh and other sides were ever good enough, which they arent at the moment) the winner of this side should play the relegated English club with the winner staying in the top league. In Australia, the playoff should include NZ, Qld, NSW and other areas if ever strong enough. In reality, relegation would only ever happen once every 5 or more years but if a top league side couldnt beat a semi pro side they dont deserve to be in the league. There also must be the option for a relegated side to stay up. For example if Newcastle were relegated this year.

I think that sums it up very well. A very well constructed post, why can't the "div" above take note.

 

[League Freak™]

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The nospam49 is against Promotion and relegation. In an ideal world it might work, but in practice it does not work well in
any sporting competition in the world.

You take a team that's had one bad year at the top grade and you force it to be stripped of its assets including sponsors,
players, coaching staff and income and play in a lower grade competition where is will get less sponsorship, and less fans
through the gates.

You then promote a side from that same lower grade competition and encourage it to spend beyond its means to get up to
speed in the top grade. This of course fails as good players and coaches are already signed up, or don't want to go to a
lower table team that hasn't proven it will stay in the top grade.

You have this situation in place for 12 months and because of its poor start, its almost certain that the newly promoted side
will not be able to life itself out of the relegation zone in its first season in the top grade.

So what happens? This team that has spent beyond its means to just survive in the top grade gets stripped of its assets, a
major part of its income, the players it has aquired and so forth....and sent back to the competition from which it came. In a
lower grade competition that it once dominate, its not once again on the back foots as it trys to get over the shock of
relegation....but also trys to build its side up again.

Promotion and Relegation does not work!

 

[Sun_Down]

I agree with LF on this one

 

[Evil Homer]

Hey

Im kinda a newbie to the SL but am very interested, my fav english club is Hull KR (well Huddersfield but Hull KR has my fav player)

Hull KR are playing in the Northern Rail Cup Final against the Castleford Tigers, does the winner of this match get promoted to the SL??? thanks in advance

No,this game is a mickey-mouse cup that means nothing but is a nice day out for the fans and a chance for an early trophy in the cabinet.Considering the season doesn't finish for months it would be a bit silly to put someone up so early.The deciding game for promotion is the NL1 Grand Final in October,after the NL1 play-offs(top 6).

Good onya for liking Huddersfield too.

 

[Paul-The-Cowboy]

Mixed views on it tbh. Can't make my mind up.

One thing's for sure, the system isn't being helped by National league 1 clubs only knowing whether they're going up at the end of the Super League season, when a lot of talent has been snapped up.

I'd like an earlier start to the Northern Leagues season so that clubs have more time to prepare both on and off the field for Super League. Begin the season a bit earlier and put the National Rail Cup at the end of the regular season is a possibility.

At least if we tried this or something to help the system, we'd have a much clearer idea on whether it's going to work and has a place in modern day rugby league.

I can't see it happening though. And I can most definately see a franchised comp by the end of the decade.

 

[Shaun Hewitt]

No,this game is a mickey-mouse cup that means nothing but is a nice day out for the fans and a chance for an early trophy in the cabinet.Considering the season doesn't finish for months it would be a bit silly to put someone up so early.The deciding game for promotion is the NL1 Grand Final in October,after the NL1 play-offs(top 6).

Good onya for liking Huddersfield too.

Ooh okay, thanks a bunch . Cmon Hull-Kr get that trophy!!

You from Huddersfield? i was originally born there, so its great to see us going alright in the SL

 

[bartman]

Promotion/relegation issue is tricky - like Paul-the-Cowboy I change my mind on it every week...

As an aussie that has moved to England, you notice that annual promotion and relegation are the backbone of all mainstream sports over here. For super league to move (further) away from those principles would really set it apart.

But as LF says, there is not enough quality (money, investment?) in the next level down, and the result is that promoted teams compete on an uneven level in Super League. They don't know they've achieved promotion until October, and by then most players (even from the relegated team) have already been signed by other sides. It also helps the same clubs that have never been relegated to (usually) always make the finals.

I don't have a problem with promotion and relegation as a concept. It's the practicalities that need working out. If there can be more investment in the game here, or more "even" investment, it might help bridge the gap between the divisions and make for a more even playing field? Also if league can keep making inroads and (re)gain status as second code over rugby union here, that would help the investment and development side.

Union isn't that strong below it's own elite level (Zurich premiership) either. It has had the benefit of seeming a few years ahead of league in it's business planning, of riding on the back of the successful world cup vistory a few years ago, of an active and regular local rep season (six nations), and of course the long approval of the "establishment" class (and the media coverage and investment that brings).

I think the recent plan released by the league has some good elements to head in the right direction and "catch-up" ground. Keeps some spirit of promotion and relegation to avoid a closed shop (which could alienate the roots of the game while at the same time stifle growth), but also moves toward a more planned transition for those clubs to seek the step up. The success of the new French team and of the new Welsh team in the lower divisions over the next few years will prove crucial, for the development of league in the UK, as will a good meaningful World Cup in 2008.

 

[Evil Homer]

Ooh okay, thanks a bunch . Cmon Hull-Kr get that trophy!!

You from Huddersfield? i was originally born there, so its great to see us going alright in the SL

Win it they did,16-18 to Rovers in the end.

I'm actually from Rotherham but I support Huddersfield.

 

[Shaun Hewitt]

Win it they did,16-18 to Rovers in the end.

I'm actually from Rotherham but I support Huddersfield.

Yahoo! next step promotion??

Good on ya for goin for Huddersfield

 

[Martli]

For it to work in the NRL, they'd have to have a promotion-relegation match. It'd be so lame if the same two teams kept swapping year-in year-out. The only problem is that the team wanting promotion will most likely not have any NRL standard players, ie Southern Orcas and would probably be a colaboration of local players who will then get the boot when the newly promoted club signs NRL level players, which probably wont happen because it wont win anyway.:lol: