"It’s very realistic to say that we’ll have a second team in Brisbane in 2023": V'landys

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yes they do. Over a QLD cup team though? Those groups are smaller and less important than you are making them out to be.

I do not think the Dolphins will be rejected by the public for being a BRL club. Only the most hardcore BRL fans over 50 years of age would harbour any animosity towards the club. Their main target audience would be the younger generation.

A neutral club will have the unenviable task of starting from scratch. It won't have any fans or assets to fund its football department, which puts it in a very precarious position. New clubs struggle during their formulative years and we're living in a very dangerous period.

 

[Perth Red]

Meanwhile, V’landys has also revealed that the ARLC has not yet closed the door on expansion for 2023 with meetings with the three bid teams - the Firehawks, Dolphins and Jets - expected in the coming weeks.

Those meetings were originally scheduled for early July but the competition relocation meant it had to be put back.

V’landys said the merits of expansion continued to be investigated as part of the game’s new free-to-air broadcast deal which will commence in 2023.

“We downed the tools to concentrate on the pandemic again but we will pick the tools up again in the next couple of weeks,’ V’landys confirmed.

“Look, all the work has been done.

“It is a matter of sitting down and interviewing the potential bidders.

“We have done an internal report. The clubs have done a report which we have got. So it is just a matter of us spending the time on it.”

Asked if it could still happen in 2023, he added: “I don’t know because I have to speak to the bidders.

“So far it has only really been delayed a month. Certainly it is going to be harder for 2023 but I don’t think it is out of the question yet.

“And that is if we go with expansion. The business case has got to stack up. It has got to be a strong business case and it all depends on the additional broadcast revenues.”

NoCookies | The Australian

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[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Meanwhile, V’landys has also revealed that the ARLC has not yet closed the door on expansion for 2023 with meetings with the three bid teams - the Firehawks, Dolphins and Jets - expected in the coming weeks.

Those meetings were originally scheduled for early July but the competition relocation meant it had to be put back.

V’landys said the merits of expansion continued to be investigated as part of the game’s new free-to-air broadcast deal which will commence in 2023.

“We downed the tools to concentrate on the pandemic again but we will pick the tools up again in the next couple of weeks,’ V’landys confirmed.

“Look, all the work has been done.

“It is a matter of sitting down and interviewing the potential bidders.

“We have done an internal report. The clubs have done a report which we have got. So it is just a matter of us spending the time on it.”

Asked if it could still happen in 2023, he added: “I don’t know because I have to speak to the bidders.

“So far it has only really been delayed a month. Certainly it is going to be harder for 2023 but I don’t think it is out of the question yet.

“And that is if we go with expansion. The business case has got to stack up. It has got to be a strong business case and it all depends on the additional broadcast revenues.”

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

There are plenty of Sydney clubs that cannot mount a strong business case to warrant their place in the NRL ahead of Adelaide, Brisbane 2, NZ 2 and Perth. Even Brisbane 3 and NZ 3 can mount a stronger business case than some Sydney clubs.

 

[Perth Red]

There are plenty of Sydney clubs that cannot mount a strong business case to warrant their place in the NRL ahead of Adelaide, Brisbane 2, NZ 2 and Perth. Even Brisbane 3 and NZ 3 can mount a stronger business case than some Sydney clubs.

It'll be interesting to see what a financial mess the game is in after this year. Two years of pokie club closures, no crowds and no marquee events is going to be hurting and there's only so much saving the NRL can do without destroying grass roots etc. I'm hearing rumblings that clubs are after a much bigger grant than even last years $14.5million bonus. No job keeper to bail the Leagues clubs out this year either.

Stronger leadership would take the opportunity to reset the League, but Mr Tribalism will just use it as an excuse to do nothing.

I'd suggest the current stalling on expansion is more to do with financial concerns for the game than pre occupied with Covid. They could easily have a sub committee of the commission continuing to progress the review and decision. It doesn't take all of the commissioners to be organising hotels and stadiums in Qlnd!

 

[Jim Rockford]

Yawn!! For someone who hates League so much, Perth Red sure does spend a lot of time concerning himself with how it should look.

 

[Perth Red]

The NRL will reportedly receive a compensation claim from all 16 clubs this week requesting a combined $30 million for relocating the game to Queensland.

News Corp believes every NRL club collated the individual cost of having the competition moved north and are seeking to reap back their losses.

Joining SEN 1170 Breakfast with Vossy, The Daily Telegraph’s David Riccio explained how the $30 million number was decided on.

“The claim is this, all 16 clubs have collated the cost of games being played away from their home grounds to relocated venues in Queensland to be around $30 million,” Riccio said.

“It’s estimated the losses are between $1.5 million and $4 million depending on what club you’re talking about.”

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[cumbrian Mackem]

It'll be interesting to see what a financial mess the game is in after this year. Two years of pokie club closures, no crowds and no marquee events is going to be hurting and there's only so much saving the NRL can do without destroying grass roots etc. I'm hearing rumblings that clubs are after a much bigger grant than even last years $14.5million bonus. No job keeper to bail the Leagues clubs out this year either.

Stronger leadership would take the opportunity to reset the League, but Mr Tribalism will just use it as an excuse to do nothing.

I'd suggest the current stalling on expansion is more to do with financial concerns for the game than pre occupied with Covid. They could easily have a sub committee of the commission continuing to progress the review and decision. It doesn't take all of the commissioners to be organising hotels and stadiums in Qlnd!

Which Sydney teams are the most vulnerable and most dependent on pokies?

 

[Perth Red]

Which Sydney teams are the most vulnerable and most dependent on pokies?

Panthers, Bulldogs, Tigers, Knights, Eels, roosters all receive substantial % of Football club revenue from pokie dens ranging from $1.5-5million.
Manly, Sharks and Dragons minimal (mainly as League clubs arent doing very well)
Souths none

Wouldn't say they are necessarily vulnerable as if worse comes to worse they could sell off some assets, many of these clubs are asset rich with property and pokie licenses.

If you look at someone like the roosters they are a financial powerhouse, but not off the back of the NRL club, which only generated around $10mill of revenue in 2020, but off the back of pokies and other investments that give them a massive cash and other asset base.

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

Panthers, Bulldogs, Tigers, Knights, Eels, roosters all receive substantial % of Football club revenue from pokie dens ranging from $1.5-5million.
Manly, Sharks and Dragons minimal (mainly as League clubs arent doing very well)
Souths none

Wouldnt say they are necessarily vulnerable as if worse comes to worse they could sell off some assets, many of these clubs are asset rich with property and pokie licenses.

So the last 3 teams you list of manly, sharks and dragons are the most vulnerable?

 

[Perth Red]

So the last 3 teams you list of manly, sharks and dragons are the most vulnerable?

Not necessarily, it might be they are expending within means even though LC isnt putting much in. From what I've seen in the annual reports you can get hold off it looks like all the Sydney clubs have big enough asset bases, or rich enough owners, to ride out this storm. They were massivley saved by job keeper last year ( to the tune of around $5mill each) which might be different this year and depends how long lock down goes on for I guess.

Some League clubs are carrying large serviceable debts but have the assets to sell in order to cover if needed. Ironically clubs with big fanbases and strong commercial support will be the ones hurting most during this, which is a shame as they should be the ones we celebrate as actually being sustainable football clubs non-reliant on the scourge of gambling.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It'll be interesting to see what a financial mess the game is in after this year. Two years of pokie club closures, no crowds and no marquee events is going to be hurting and there's only so much saving the NRL can do without destroying grass roots etc. I'm hearing rumblings that clubs are after a much bigger grant than even last years $14.5million bonus. No job keeper to bail the Leagues clubs out this year either.

Stronger leadership would take the opportunity to reset the League, but Mr Tribalism will just use it as an excuse to do nothing.

I'd suggest the current stalling on expansion is more to do with financial concerns for the game than pre occupied with Covid. They could easily have a sub committee of the commission continuing to progress the review and decision. It doesn't take all of the commissioners to be organising hotels and stadiums in Qlnd!

I've never seen a sport focus solely on one city, to its detriment everywhere else, like our game does year after year. It's a textbook example of how to drive a business into the ground.

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

I've never seen a sport focus solely on one city, to its detriment everywhere else, like our game does year after year. It's a textbook example of how to drive a business into the ground.

It would be wholly justified if all the clubs were attracting Melbourne AFL type crowds but the fact that they don’t and are in fact nowhere near attracting AFL type crowds is beyond crazy.

 

[Diesel]

There are plenty of Sydney clubs that cannot mount a strong business case to warrant their place in the NRL ahead of Adelaide, Brisbane 2, NZ 2 and Perth. Even Brisbane 3 and NZ 3 can mount a stronger business case than some Sydney clubs.

It’s rather ironic the same clubs mounting a strong business case against expansion Don’t have a lucrative business case of their own

 

[The Great Dane]

It would be wholly justified if all the clubs were attracting Melbourne AFL type crowds but the fact that they don’t and are in fact nowhere near attracting AFL type crowds is beyond crazy.

Even if their crowds were still crap it would be justified if they were profitable businesses that were capable of commercialising their supposed fanbases.

That's the whole problem with leagues clubs and excessive grants from broadcasting funding though. The clubs don't need to put any effort into reforming their businesses or working to build larger consumer bases because they know that their $13mil check will come every year from the NRL and that the Leagues club will make up the difference.

It'd be interesting to compare the amount of fans each club has (maybe use the Roy Morgan numbers) to their membership numbers to see what percentage of each clubs' supposed fanbase actually financially supports their club in a significant way, then compare those numbers to the AFL clubs' numbers.

I bet you anything that you'd have a bunch of NRL clubs with roughly 5% of their fanbase buying memberships while the average AFL club would easily have more than double that, maybe even triple.

 

[Perth Red]

It’s surprising just how low most clubs actual football club generated revenue is. For most gate receipts, memberships and corporate sales are less than $10million!

 

[The Great Dane]

It’s surprising just how low most clubs actual football club generated revenue is. For most gate receipts, memberships and corporate sales are less than $10million!

Surprising is a massive understatement.

For a sport that is supposedly one of the largest football codes in the country it's an embarrassment, and is probably the keystone to most of RL's problems in this country.

If the NRL wasn't forced to financially carry almost all of the pro-clubs in the country the sport would have unprecedented resources to invest back into growth in other areas.

 

[Pippen94]

Surprising is a massive understatement.

For a sport that is supposedly one of the largest football codes in the country it's an embarrassment, and is probably the keystone to most of RL's problems in this country.

If the NRL wasn't forced to financially carry almost all of the pro-clubs in the country the sport would have unprecedented resources to invest back into growth in other areas.

Yeah, but those clubs are the reason NRL gets it's biggest source of income - broadcast deal. Perth etc don't add shit.

 

[Jim Rockford]

It’s surprising just how low most clubs actual football club generated revenue is. For most gate receipts, memberships and corporate sales are less than $10million!

Why don't you tell us how awesome your beloved AFL is then. Better yet, why don't you piss off and join an AFL forum where you can talk to other AFL cretins and jerk each other off.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

The Roosters and Rabbitohs are 113 years old. Chuck in Wests too (with the benefit of a restructure in 2000). The Dogs, Saints are 80-100 years. Manly and Para 70+. Cronulla and Penrith 50+.

You can’t tell me all these clubs are doing their utmost to maximise revenue through crowds, memberships, merchandise and fan engagement.

My biggest gripe is that the game as a whole could do so much better.
Expansion is a small part of it.
There’s little ambition, no grand plan.
They bring in business acumen but it becomes ‘oh they don’t have RL knowledge’.
The relationship with the media is woeful.
And people accept so very little and bare minimum.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Obviously they form identities over Qld cup teams.

If they didn't they wouldn't exist, let alone grow big enough to be able to buy entry into the NRL...

Tell that to these guys- https://www.theroar.com.au/2014/03/...ll-be-a-red-and-white-failure/comment-page-4/
I'm just going to keep posting that link until you address it. Of course you can't address it because it's an undeniable example of why what the Dolphins are attempting is such a bad idea.

It's also nice to know that you think that community and junior footy in Brisbane is small and unimportant, especially when one of the foundational arguments for a second Brisbane club is 'look how big footy in Brisbane is and how few are supporting the Broncos'. I mean FFS.

QLD Cup and BRL is a very important part of our RL history and the supporters of the current teams are no doubt passionate, but to pretend that people support it in large enough numbers to impact Brisbane 2 negatively because of some QLD Cup rivalry boycott is a joke.