Jason Ryles - Head coach of Parramatta from 2025

[Poupou Escobar]

Brown and Moses will only get more if they upgrade and extend, which is unlikely because they will wait until their option runs out.

Why do you reckon they'll wait?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Cant be f**ked?

 

[the phantom menace]

Why do you reckon they'll wait?

So their managers can field other offers, and they can use that as a basis for market value that they can ask the Eels to match with an upgrade.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I mean why will they wait until their option expires. They are already free to field other offers, including any extension we have offered.

 

[the phantom menace]

So their managers can field even more other offers, and they can use that as a basis for even higher market value that they can continue to ask the Eels to match with an upgrade, before locking anything in or out.

The timing of which f**ks us around more than if we hadn't given the player option at all, and could just make our best offer and then withdraw it if not accepted and move on - but you knew that (despite arguing there is no downside of player options).

 

[hineyrulz]

So their managers can field even more other offers, and they can use that as a basis for even higher market value that they can continue to ask the Eels to match with an upgrade, before locking anything in or out.

The timing of which f**ks us around more than if we hadn't given the player option at all, and could just make our best offer and then withdraw it if not accepted and move on - but you knew that (despite arguing there is no downside of player options).

It’s what the smart clubs do.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So their managers can field even more other offers, and they can use that as a basis for even higher market value that they can continue to ask the Eels to match with an upgrade, before locking anything in or out.

The timing of which f**ks us around more than if we hadn't given the player option at all, and could just make our best offer and then withdraw it if not accepted and move on - but you knew that (despite arguing there is no downside of player options).

So can these rival clubs also withdraw their offers if the player f**ks them around waiting until his player option expires? Can we withdraw our offer of an upgrade when he drags it out? If the merkin waits too long his PO will be the only option left. We will obviously be happy if he takes it since we agreed to the value and the date in the first place. It won't be overs unless he busts every ligament in his knee.

It's like you dopes think the club hadn't considered any of this.

 

[the phantom menace]

Sigh. It's all about the opportunity cost to the club of the time that the player spends dicking around about whether or not to take up the player option.

Versus the time the club could have gained in forward planning and offers to others. This is particularly true if the player doesn't take up their option, and in the meantime we haven't (or haven't been able to) put offers to others who could have filled the gap.

Yes the club may have thought about all this... but the point is that people are saying the club may not have thought about it too well, given that offering a player option harnesses the club somewhat, until the option is taken up or not. Much better for the club not to give any player options at all - as I believe Ryles has indicated his stance on such options in our new future.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Sigh. It's all about the opportunity cost to the club of the time that the player spends dicking around about whether or not to take up the player option.

Versus the time the club could have gained in forward planning and offers to others. This is particularly true if the player doesn't take up their option, and in the meantime we haven't (or haven't been able to) put offers to others who could have filled the gap.

Yes the club may have thought about all this... but the point is that people are saying the club may not have thought about it too well, given that offering a player option harnesses the club somewhat, until the option is taken up or not. Much better for the club not to give any player options at all - as I believe Ryles has indicated his stance on such options in our new future.

It’s obviously an advantage to the player, and a disadvantage to the club. No different to paying the player more money under the cap. The difference is the PO represents risk that doesn’t count under the cap. In that sense it is an advantage to the club over paying more money (under the cap at least).

There’s no point complaining that the player now has an advantage, since we agreed to it at the time the player signed the contract. We’ve already taken our advantage, which was a salary reduction by whichever amount the player would have required to sign without the PO. The player agreed to the PO instead of more money and they are now entitled to the security of the PO. It’s disingenuous to claim it was given away for nothing.

 

[the phantom menace]

Sigh. It's all about the opportunity cost to the club of the time that the player spends dicking around about whether or not to take up the player option.

Yes the club may have thought about all this... but the point is that people are saying the club may not have thought about it too well. Much better for the club not to give any player options at all - as I believe Ryles has indicated his stance on such options in our new future.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yes there’s obviously an advantage to the player, and a disadvantage to the club. No different to paying the player more money under the cap. The difference is the PO represents risk that doesn’t count under the cap. In that sense it is an advantage to the club over paying more money (under the cap at least).

There’s no point complaining that the player now has an advantage, since we agreed to it at the time the player signed the contract. We’ve already taken our advantage, which was a salary reduction by whichever amount the player would have required to sign without the PO. The player agreed to the PO instead of more money and they are now entitled to the security of the PO. It’s disingenuous to claim it was given away for nothing.

 

[the phantom menace]

Sigh. Etc.

Much better for the club not to give any player options at all - as I believe Ryles has indicated his stance on such options in our new future.

 

[JokerEel]

Sigh. Etc.

Much better for the club not to give any player options at all - as I believe Ryles has indicated his stance on such options in our new future.

The players haven't won shit to deserve any options ffs

 

[Gary Gutful]

Sigh.

Sigh.

Sigh. Etc.

Some of your best material.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Sigh. Etc.

Much better for the club not to give any player options at all - as I believe Ryles has indicated his stance on such options in our new future.

Unrealistic position given where we are, but something that I agree we should aim for.

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[Poupou Escobar]

Sigh. Etc.

Much better for the club not to give any player options at all - as I believe Ryles has indicated his stance on such options in our new future.

I think we’ll continue to use them as needed. It’s not Ryles that does the negotiations.

 

[the phantom menace]

I think you won't see another one offered or agreed to. Didn't MON double down agreeing on Ryles position immediately after it was stated? Hence the ridicule being widely directed to your continued attempted support of an obsolete approach.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think you won't see another one offered or agreed to. Didn't MON double down agreeing on Ryles position immediately after it was stated? Hence the ridicule being widely directed to your continued attempted support of an obsolete approach.

I think you’re making it up. Why would clubs rule out using a proven bargaining chip to circumvent the salary cap in future? That would be like refusing to use TPAs.

 

[Incorrect]

I think you’re making it up. Why would clubs rule out using a proven bargaining chip to circumvent the salary cap in future? That would be like refusing to use TPAs.

TPA's are negotiated independently/separately from club contracts. Apples and oranges