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Johns was overlooked as Aust Captain because of Drug Use- Newcastle covered it up

Kid Dynamite

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Two massive things in this article by Roy Masters. I'll let others comment.

League giants begged Joey to quit

Roy Masters | September 1, 2007

Andrew Johns was rugby league's time bomb. Joey's decade-long drug habit alarmed teammates and officials, some of whom confronted him angrily and publicly over his cocaine- and ecstasy-addled state.
The Queensland State of Origin coach Mal Meninga and the former Broncos five-eighth Kevin Walters challenged Johns at Star City Casino after a legends match about five years ago, the two recently retired champions lacerating him over his drug use.
There was also an ugly scene during the Magic Millions on the Gold Coast in 2005 when the St George Illawarra coach Nathan Brown and his assistant coach, Steve Price, reminded Johns, who was "off his face", of his responsibilities as a role model.
When the Gold Coast incident was put to Johns's management at the time the reaction, predictably, was denial. Joey was more candid, using humour to detour the debate. "You know all that about being a role model," he told me back then. "It's just that sometimes you forget."
Defamation laws prevented these details being printed and it is only now, with Johns's frank admission of drug abuse, following pressure from his family, that the story can be told.
Aware that a partial admission would trawl up other examples of rampant drug use, which may be revealed anyway in a forthcoming biography, the three-times Dally M winner made a detailed disclosure on the Nine Network.
Wearing the uncomfortable look of a man fighting an infection that won't go away, he admitted sustained use over his stellar career.
Johns's revelation that Newcastle club officials were aware of his problem stunned rugby league circles, with the current administration of the club moving quickly to absolve themselves.
NRL clubs are obliged to conduct a minimum 70 random tests a year for illicit drugs of the type found in Johns's possession after he left The Church nightclub in London.
However, Newcastle was one of only two clubs that did not test for illicit drugs in the period.
That led to the NRL's 70-test rule. Some might suggest tight budgets drove this decision, but that is simply untrue. They did not want to catch Johns.
When he loomed as the obvious candidate to assume the role of captain of the national team, Australian Rugby League officials were reluctant to appoint him, fearing a drugs scandal would embarrass the code.
Brisbane's Gorden Tallis became captain towards the end of Johns's representative career and is rumoured to have confronted management on a tour of England, demanding action be taken over use of party drugs by some teammates.
Tallis is now a director of the NRL board, with the responsibility of enforcing a drugs code where a first positive results in a suspended fine of 5 per cent of a player's contract, and compulsory counselling. A second positive attracts a mandatory 12-match ban. The Johns revelation will fuel claims that drug use is widespread in the code.
It is probably worse in the Australian Football League, because the NRL began testing for illicit drugs almost a decade earlier, and alcohol is a more popular substitute in the less aerobically demanding game of rugby league.
Johns blames depression for his use of ecstasy, seeking an escape from his leaden, sullen lows.
But his brooding, dark days are probably as much the result of habitual use, as an excuse for taking illicit drugs.
He also admits to being a heavy drinker.
NRL officials are concerned at a binge culture in the code. At an alcohol summit nearly 10 years ago in Sydney, Newcastle's current coach, Brian Smith, probably summed it up best. "My players are as horrified to learn I had three beers a day as I am horrified to be told they drink 30 beers in one night and nothing for the rest of the week."
There will be a push for a similar drugs summit, but clubs insist their testing does not reflect epidemic use, with the Storm recording only two positives for cannabis four years ago.
However, a player's first positive is kept confidential and is known to only three club officials, who are not bound to report it to the NRL.
When the Herald raised the question of two players testing positive at a Sydney club last month, the club chairman, chief executive and doctor all said they were not required to comment.
Johns's confession was a desperate attempt to gain absolution from his adoring public, but many in the league world believe his friends at Nine were more interested in ratings than his recovery.
The revelations certainly raise more questions than they answer, particularly the link between champion players and illicit drugs.
With the AFL Brownlow medallist Ben Cousins sent to California for rehabilitation, two sublimely gifted players from a Melbourne club being treated for addiction and Johns now revealed as a long-term drug taker, are the on-field performances of these champions chemically fuelled, or are they simply born risk-takers?
Johns's revelation was an ominous soundtrack to a life that has fallen off a cliff, with his fans praying there will be no sickly thud, particularly for a man without an enemy in the world, if you overlook the demon of addiction.

Source: http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news/they-begged-joey-to-quit/2007/08/31/1188067369214.html
 

Timmah

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Do we really need ANOTHER thread on this topic?
 

Gene Krupa

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Then why didn't these people blow the whistle? Really, they are just as complicit as the Knights managment in all this, if they did hush it up.
 

SpaceMonkey

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Gene Krupa said:
Then why didn't these people blow the whistle? Really, they are just as complicit as the Knights managment in all this, if they did hush it up.

Because it's bloody hard to prove unless somebody returns a positive test.
 

Munky

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For Gene Krupa

Kid Dynamite said:
Defamation laws prevented these details being printed and it is only now, with Johns's frank admission of drug abuse, following pressure from his family, that the story can be told.

I think that explains it pretty well.
 

Mr Saab

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Good to see Masters mention the cocaine. People thinking it was just the biscuits are kidding themsevles.
 

Gene Krupa

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parra-matters said:
If they printed that before he admited it or without a postive test they would get sued big time.

Well that's the same with the Knights management too, isn't it? There was speculation but nothing solid.
 

Munky

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parra-matters said:
If they printed that before he admited it or without a postive test they would get sued big time.

It would have resulted in a Jeffrey Archer like situation it they did print it and Johns had sued.

If and when Johns was caught jail time for perjury would have been on the cards.
 

legend

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Gene Krupa said:
Then why didn't these people blow the whistle? Really, they are just as complicit as the Knights managment in all this, if they did hush it up.

I only found out about the Tallis issue earlier this year and that once Joey was busted, Masters was ready to spill the beans on Johns but I can tell you he has dirt on other players who have behaved in a similar manner but did not get caught.
 

jamesgould

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Huh? Johns never played under Tallis! He was out with injury the whole time Tallis was captain of Aus!

The only time I suppose you could say he was overlooked for Australian captaincy was the 2005 tri nations when he finally came back, but he killed any chance of that by the whole playing for Warrington in the superleague grand final ahead of the first tri nations test. Plus Lockyer had been captain for ages anyway, and deserved to keep it.
 

salivor

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Gene Krupa said:
Well that's the same with the Knights management too, isn't it? There was speculation but nothing solid.

The difference is the Knights were his employer so were therefore were in a position to impose penalities on him or put him into rehab to sort out the problem.
 
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In Webcke's book he talks about drugs being rampant on a certain tour of the UK. He says he and Tallis were both disgusted by it, so it must of been the 2000 World Cup, because that's the only tour they went on to the UK together. He said E was the drug of choice amongst the Roos. I remember it being hugely popular in 2000. I wonder who Johns was poppin with.
 

Azkatro

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Australia 2000 World Cup Squad:

Trent Barrett
Darren Britt
Jason Croker
Brad Fittler (c)
Bryan Fletcher
Matt Gidley
Ryan Girdler
Craig Gower
Scott Hill
Nathan Hindmarsh
Andrew Johns *
Robbie Kearns
Ben Kennedy
Brett Kimmorley
Darren Lockyer
Adam MacDougall
Mat Rogers
Wendell Sailor *
Jason Stevens
Gorden Tallis
Michael Vella
Shane Webcke

* denotes confirmed substance abuser
 

perverse

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this problem is very deep. i guess i have to be careful what i post..

johns: "I got tested 2 or 3 times a year"
johns: "i've been using them for 10 - 12 years.. and have played russian roulette during the season in the past"
NRL statement: "we have 17 tests on record - all negative"

can someone do some maths on that for me please?

also - i think it would be naive to think that johns is the only one in the NRL 'getting away with it'.
 

Misty Bee

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I think those of us out of the loop of knowledge can guess the likely culprits, but mentioning names servesno purpose. Likewise, this is not a new phenomenon - I have heard rumours of former players in more senior post-player roles as well. Sadly, it seemsthis issue has not been dealt with publicly, so the innuendo continues.

We are seeing the current Knights board moving quickly to absolve themselves. Some of these comments from former players may have similar motivation, although I hope not.

One thing bugs me though. When Wayne Bennet was in control of the Kangaroos, he (quite admirably) raised the problem of excessive alcohol consumption by some of the code's elite. If the revelation by Webcke and Tallis listed above is correct (I have no reason to doubt it), why didn't Wayne make a song and dance about drugs as well?

My guess? cover up at the highest levels. They'd cop a well intentioned Bennet raising the grog issue, but not the drugs. In light of problems ranging from Craig Field's days, to Coffs Harbour, to Gaz's phone calls to various pub fights and brawls and anti social behaviour, it could have done merious damage to the game. Sadly, the drugs issue is something that ALWAYS has to be dealt with at some stage, and the highest levels will always be the most acountable. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Gallop fall, if it is proved that he knew about drug problems with senior players, and failed to either weed them out or co-ordinate rehabilitation.

Joety took the drugs, and is suffereing the consequences for it. That is just, and he accepts it. Typically, it sounds like it's all left up to the family unit to deal with. Tragically, few organisations have the knowledge, the power, the people and the ability to tackle this issue and drive drugs out of their stars, and help them onto a better track. There wasn't a bigger cash cow to the game than Joey, and no-one that could have done anything, did.

Joey wasn't helped by the code because he was Joey. Like him or not, the code let him down.
 

perverse

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Misty Bee said:
My guess? cover up at the highest levels. They'd cop a well intentioned Bennet raising the grog issue, but not the drugs. In light of problems ranging from Craig Field's days, to Coffs Harbour, to Gaz's phone calls to various pub fights and brawls and anti social behaviour, it could have done merious damage to the game. Sadly, the drugs issue is something that ALWAYS has to be dealt with at some stage, and the highest levels will always be the most acountable. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Gallop fall, if it is proved that he knew about drug problems with senior players, and failed to either weed them out or co-ordinate rehabilitation.
i think you're right. from what i've read and heard this one goes all the way to the top.

this is nowhere near fact until proven however... as far as i'm concerned this is just a bunch of people on a forum having a speculative chat.

-edit- i'm both surprised and glad that you noticed the tallis/webke/bennett silence though.. especially when bennett did get on his soapbox regarding booze. that one had completely evaded me.
 

McCrud

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Andrew Johns admits to a decade-long drug habit......

And it's Wayne Bennett's fault.


One of your best, Misty...
 

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