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Kiwi news, 4 nations maybe scrapped

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http://m.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/article.cfm?c_id=79&objectid=11351471

The Kiwis' 2015 schedule is set to be finalised with dates for a three-test end-of-year tour to England confirmed, while discussions are continuing with Australia about hosting the annual Anzac test at Eden Park.
The Kiwis will take on England on three consecutive weekends and although venues are yet to be confirmed, the first test has been scheduled for Friday, October 30, with the second and third games to follow on November 7 and November 14.
"The English Rugby League are looking at the logistics of where but the dates have been confirmed," said NZRL chief executive Phil Holden.
Warm-up matches were yet to be finalised but Holden was confident at least one match would be added to the itinerary.
"We're working through that and there are a couple of options there. I'm pretty confident that we'll have something either on the way up there [to the UK] or over there."
A meeting between the Rugby League International Federation members in Brisbane last week involved talks about increasing the amount of international fixtures and improving the competitiveness and commercial viability of the game.


The Four Nations tournament is set to be scrapped with the international calendar set for an overhaul following the 2017 World Cup.
As part of the proposed revamp, the introduction of a new mini-tournament in the middle year between World Cups might replace the Four Nations, and a return to old-style tours is also on the cards.
Reports from Australia have suggested a Nines tournament could replace the Four Nations model while Holden said a Confederations Cup format might be in place by 2019.
"One of the big topics was the Four Nations as a structure and as a tournament. We're going to review that. Is it time to change, can we do something different, and what does that look like," Holden explained.
"In the short term, [we were] looking at the 2018 to 2021 period. There could be more of a mini-tournament between the World Cup, potentially 2019, of some description, a Confederations Cup, so we've got agreement on what that might look like. Potentially the tour model might come back on to the agenda for 2020 and 2021 would be the World Cup.
"There's a lot of work to be done but that was broadly where we've ended up. Everybody was thinking that might actually be a model that could be explored."
Stand-alone tests against Australia are set to continue at the discretion of both nations and Holden is intent on growing the national game by increasing the amount of international football the Kiwis play.
"We don't have a big professional competition like England and Australia so our needs are quite simple, we want to play more regularly and we need to make it more commercially viable."
The RLIF are also due to confirm both the qualifying structure for the 2017 World Cup and the appointment of a new CEO, amid rumours that an offer has been made to a candidate from a rugby union background.
"There's been an offer made to an individual. The only people who know who that is are the Appointments Panel and there's only three of them. I don't know who that person is so I can't comment," Holden said.
The schedule
2015 Kiwis tour of England
First test: Friday, October 30
Second test: Saturday, November 7
Third test: Saturday, November 14
 

CC_Roosters

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If they replaced it with the confederation cup dtyle tournament i would be more than i happy. I do think to increase its value to the likes of australia formats like the four nations should only be once per cycle. I would like rotating tours and nines introduced for the rest of the years between world cups. Add pacific cup and euro cup in when the aussies, nz and english are touring to keep the lower ranked sides playing competitively. No reason why every nation cant be playing 4-5 games per year by the time of next cycle post 2017
 

roughyedspud

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so something like this

world cup
tours & world 9s (sydney in feb)
confederation cup (needs to be 8 teams)
tours & world 9s (millenium stadium)
world cup

i like that...
 
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CC_Roosters

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in my head its the top 8 ranked teams,2 groups of 4,top 2 advance to semis then final...

That is exactly my thoughts. Would you say one host nation for the tournament?

I had a thought today that with the world cup nailed on every four years they are going to have to spread it around or it will get very old very fast just rotating between australia/nz and the uk. Imo NZ is mature enough now to host a tournament in its own right. All of the major centres have shown they can pull a crowd to NRL or internationals. A world cup could be a great boost to the likes of france or a developing nation like the USA. Of course we wont find out unless they take the risk.
 
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roughyedspud

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theres scope to fit in a game before the start of the series i suppose


so something like this

world cup
tours & world 9s (sydney in feb)
confederation cup (needs to be 8 teams)
tours & world 9s (millenium stadium)
world cup.


i really like that...it covers all bases and gives the RLIF a comp to run,and make money from, every year
 

WireMan

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so something like this

world cup
tours & world 9s (sydney in feb)
confederation cup (needs to be 8 teams)
tours & world 9s (millenium stadium)
world cup

i like that...

I would ditch the confederation cup.

It is basically the same as the world cup.

The tours will be good, but I'd like them to really do it properly.
The touring team can bring a midweek side to play the clubs on a Friday as a warm up to a Saturday test.
The touring team can also play the 4th nation in each hemisphere to start the tour.

So if England tour nz, they can start with Samoa and the knights can play the warriors and maybe another team whilst the national teams play 3 games around the country.

Nz can play France then the b team plays club sides from around the country.

The year out, Nz and Aus can play an in origin style tour the pacific island teams can play in a proper comp and England can play Wales, Scotland and France.
 

roughyedspud

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the idea behind ditching the RFL,ARLC,NZRL owned 4nations and starting a RLIF owned confederations cup is to give the RLIF a "mid cycle" revenue stream....so whether its 6 or 8 teams it will be happening...




and i don't want touring national teams to play club teams...if australia are playing a 3 test series here id rather they play wales,scotland & ireland too instead of club teams....likewise if we go down there id rather play tonga,fiji & png etc
 
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donny donny

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Keep the four nations. I don't like the sound of a confederations cup with 2 groups of 4, it takes the shine off the World Cup. As for replacing test matches with a nines tournament, no thanks.
 

hutch

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I really like the four nations. The 4th team qualifies for it, gets the chance to play the big boys. What's the alternative? Tours have their place and importance, but how often?
 

WireMan

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the idea behind ditching the RFL,ARLC,NZRL owned 4nations and starting a RLIF owned confederations cup is to give the RLIF a "mid cycle" revenue stream....so whether its 6 or 8 teams it will be happening...




and i don't want touring national teams to play club teams...if australia are playing a 3 test series here id rather they play wales,scotland & ireland too instead of club teams....likewise if we go down there id rather play tonga,fiji & png etc

I'm not saying it won't happen, but the confeds cup just kills the world cup. It is the world cup with a stupid name.

What good will Aus vs Wales in a friendly do?
Wales need to grow as an international team or save games vs the southern hemisphere sides for world cups to make that comp special.

Aus B vs a team like Leeds at a sold out Headingly on a Friday night live on telly would promote the international game a million times more than Aus vs Wales in a half empty Wrexham stadium. It will also spread the international game into smaller local stadiums.
 

Evil Homer

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Four Nations is great, no idea why they would want it scrapped. And FFS stop all the talk about bringing back f**king tours, this isn't the 1970s, they belong in the past.
Aus B vs a team like Leeds at a sold out Headingly on a Friday night live on telly would promote the international game a million times more than Aus vs Wales in a half empty Wrexham stadium. It will also spread the international game into smaller local stadiums.
Jesus Christ.
 

WireMan

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Four Nations is great, no idea why they would want it scrapped. And FFS stop all the talk about bringing back f**king tours, this isn't the 1970s, they belong in the past.
Jesus Christ.

Roughy explains why they want to stop the 4 nations a few posts up and if your only contribution to the thread is 'Jesus Christ' then why not just not post?
 

Evil Homer

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Roughy explains why they want to stop the 4 nations a few posts up and if your only contribution to the thread is 'Jesus Christ' then why not just not post?
The same thing could be achieved by just transferring the 4N ownership to the RLIF. I'm not necessarily against the idea of a Confederations Cup, but scrapping the Four Nations to be replaced with a 9's tournament and nondescript 'tours' would just be pure idiocy.
 
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