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Kobe Bryant charged

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Lakers star Kobe Bryant has been charged with rape after a 2 week investigation. The US public will soon be obsessed with this trial, not as much as with the OJ trial, but it will get a lot of publicity.

Even though I am not a Kobe fan, I am very surprised by this. You expect it from a Tyson, but Bryant had an image as a serious guy who only cared about being a basketball star. He had a new wife and baby, was at the peak of his career with many great seasons left (he's only 24), was being compared to Michael Jordan. The facts of the case aren't out yet, but i keep thinking, why would a 19 year old girl have sex with him consensually, then turn around and accuse him of rape. I mean I can't see what she has to gain from this by making it up.
 

Trojan Horse

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CanadianSteve said:
The facts of the case aren't out yet, but i keep thinking, why would a 19 year old girl have sex with him consensually, then turn around and accuse him of rape. I mean I can't see what she has to gain from this by making it up.

Are you serious? How much $$$'s is Kobe worth? She has millions to gain! A possible civil settlement, a magazine sell along with television rights or a current affairs type programe...the list is endless. She has much fame and fortune to gain from this...as opposed to next to nothing to lose.

This kind of behaviour happens to sports stars who are in the public eye all the time mate. It's called entrapment.

I'm not saying Kobe is innocent or guilty -- as I don't really care -- but I am responding to your astonishing quote.
 

El Diablo

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CanadianSteve said:
Even though I am not a Kobe fan, I am very surprised by this. You expect it from a Tyson, but Bryant had an image as a serious guy who only cared about being a basketball star. He had a new wife and baby, was at the peak of his career with many great seasons left (he's only 24), was being compared to Michael Jordan. The facts of the case aren't out yet, but i keep thinking, why would a 19 year old girl have sex with him consensually, then turn around and accuse him of rape. I mean I can't see what she has to gain from this by making it up.

You expect cerrtain people to be rapists?

Bryant is about the same age Tyson was when he got done. Why you'd think one guy is better than the other seeing you know neither is something I can't understand.
 
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El Duque said:
You expect cerrtain people to be rapists?

Bryant is about the same age Tyson was when he got done. Why you'd think one guy is better than the other seeing you know neither is something I can't understand.

No, I expect most people not to be rapists. Kobe has had a very good reputation up till now, while Tyson was already known as a bad guy before his rape. So I was not too surprised when I first heard about Tyson, and very surprised when I heard of Kobe's charges a coule of weeks ago. You're right that none of us really know these celebrities, but I think you can form reasonable opinions based on what you see and read. There have been a number of NBA and NFL players get in legal trouble the last few years, but I was still surprised to see it happen to Kobe.

As for Trojan Horse's comment, I'm surprised at your remark that the girl has "next to nothing to lose." This will be an ordeal for her to go through.

I hope Kobe isn't guilty, but from what has come about the incident so far, the girl worked at the resort/hotel where he was staying. I'm not sure how far ahead she knew he was coming, but it seems quite a stretch to think a 19 year old girl would plan such a thing on short notice. As for the idea of making a fortune from this, I know El Duque has said Desiree Washington won a civil suit against Tyson (over on the Tyson rape thread), but I really question if someone would put themselves through all the public scrutiny, loss of reputation, etc, if they didn't have to.
 
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Here's a column from USA Today that raises some of the questions we've dicussed:

Real world envelops Kobe Bryant
Now, it's serious.
Now, there is a reputation at stake. A legacy. A career. Maybe his freedom. Perhaps his marriage.

Kobe Bryant has won three championships. But the stakes have never been this high before. He has never, ever had this much to lose.

Now there's a charge next to his name.

Felony sexual assault.

Ugly words for one of the NBA's presumed solid citizens.

We thought him a Laker and a gentleman, and now he stands accused of rape. We knew the image. Time will tell if we knew the man at all. It would not be the first time the public has been fooled.

But this is still only a charge. The talk shows need to remember that.

This sort of thing is not supposed to happen to a member of the club of the Truly Famous, where only a first name is needed. A guy needs more than great talent or numbers to do that. He needs an aura. He is above getting in trouble in a hotel room at night. The Mike Tysons of the world do that.
Kobe. Even some of the newscasters were referring to him that way on Friday. As they mentioned, he could face four years to life, if convicted.

Now everything is in question. His past, present, future. The shock waves stretch to the corporate marketers, who now rush to assess what a rape charge does to a product endorsement.

And if there is any truth to the theory that a charge like this will somehow increase his "street credibility," then the street is depraved.

Bryant was seen smiling at the ESPY Awards the other evening. He and the wife. Some guessed it might be a sign, that he might be off the hook, back to business as usual, where his biggest worries were the San Antonio Spurs and the Sacramento Kings.

Now, we know different. The circus is coming to town, with all the trappings — television trucks next to the courthouse, commentator overload, headline hyperbole.

"We'll treat this case like any other case," the district attorney in Colorado said in his announcement Friday. "I'm saying that as I look at 20 cameras here."

Surely, he knows what it coming. So does Bryant. He is about to live a tabloid life.

His team held a press conference Thursday, officially welcoming old opponents as new Lakers. Karl Malone and Gary Payton have joined the cause, and there was happy talk of winning championships.

Just a day later, the subjects were possible jail terms and court dates. A central figure was no longer a point guard or power forward, but a 19-year old hotel worker.

Did he or didn't he? Now, there is officially a reason to ask.

There is no proof yet of guilt. But there are already costs. In his own statement, Bryant admitted to sex with the young woman. Adultery is not exactly a rare disease in professional sport, but it is nonetheless a chip off a persona. He is already stained. Already lost a little of what he was.

Kobe Bryant, by the way, is still only 24 years old, far too young to be a finished project. It is a delusion to make someone that age an icon. And it is a mistake to think we know him, just because we can count his rings or watch his commercials or recite his scoring average.

And will we really understand what happened in the end? At best, maybe.

Celebrity justice is the foggiest of all, for it is often hard to decide if someone is being persecuted because of a name, or coddled. Plus, in many star athlete cases, the issue of race is never far away.

This could get very, very messy.
 

GBT

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CanadianSteve said:
As for Trojan Horse's comment, I'm surprised at your remark that the girl has "next to nothing to lose." This will be an ordeal for her to go through.

Hardly surprising that anyone might come to that conclusion. None of us knows the truth. Bryant might be a rapist, then again, she may be like the woman who falsely accused the Hamilton's (A former UK MP and his wife) of sexual molestation.

Other than Kobe Bryant and the woman concerned, who amongst us really knows who is going through the real ordeal?!?!
 

Blade

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Rumors regarding Bryant's accuser's mental health prompt gag order

(AP) — After revelations that Kobe Bryant's accuser was hospitalized last winter for mental health reasons, a judge issued a gag order on attorneys, witness and others involved in the sexual assault case, seeking to quell rumors and reports that could affect a trial.

University of Northern Colorado police chief Terry Urista said Thursday that campus police received a call about 9 p.m. on Feb. 25 regarding a woman in a dormitory room.

"An officer determined she was a danger to herself," he said. "It's classified as a mental health issue."

The woman was transported by ambulance to North Colorado Medical Center of Greeley, Urista said. He refused to say provide further details.

Lindsey McKinney, who lived with the woman this spring before the two had a falling out, said her friend tried to kill herself at school this winter and again in May in Eagle by trying to overdose on sleeping pills.

On Thursday, Eagle County Judge Fred Gannett said authorities and lawyers can publicly discuss only the basic facts of the case, including the charges and information in public records.

Prosecutors and an attorney for Bryant's 19-year-old accuser have declined to discuss the woman's background. Records relating to the case were sealed.

The woman's name has been on the radio in at least 60 cities and posted on various Internet sites, complete with address, phone number and, in several cases, photographs of the wrong women.

The Globe, a supermarket tabloid, published a picture of what it said was the accuser on the front page of editions that hit newsstands Friday afternoon. The picture has a black strip over the woman's eyes.

Editor Candace Trunzo defended the use of the photo and the two-page profile of the woman.

"The accusations of sexual assault against Kobe Bryant is a newsworthy matter of tremendous public interest," Trunzo said in a statement. "The Globe is a national news tabloid."

The tabloid did give the woman's name.

Virtually all American newspapers and news organizations, including The Associated Press, have policies against releasing the identities of sexual assault victims and have not named Bryant's accuser.

Bryant was charged with felony sexual assault after the woman told authorities he attacked her at an Edwards resort June 30. Bryant said the sex was consensual.

Before the judge's ruling, Eagle County Sheriff Joe Hoy dismissed speculation by at least one of the woman's friends that she is having second thoughts about going forward with the case.

"As far as I've heard, that is just plain rumor," Hoy said. "That is just off-board."

Krista Flannigan, a spokeswoman for District Attorney Mark Hurlbert, said the final decision about pursuing the case rests with prosecutors, who represent the public and not just the victim.

"It's not her complaint against him. It's the people of Colorado against him," she said.

Robert Pugsley, a criminal law professor at Southwestern University in Los Angeles, said if Bryant's accuser did attempt suicide, it could weaken the prosecution's case.

"The more these indications of instability emerge, the more difficult it might prove for the prosecutor to persuade the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that this young woman did not misinterpret the event," he said.

Another legal expert said the suicide attempt claims may never be heard at trial.

Christopher Mueller, a law professor at the University of Colorado in Boulder, said judges can exclude evidence that exposes a witness to undue embarrassment if it isn't essential to the charges.

"When there is no connection proven, that argument becomes pretty difficult," he said. "A court may very well bar it."

Mueller also said the defense will think "long and hard" about whether to label Bryant's accuser unstable and suicidal. "To attack a person who comes into a court as a victim is always a tricky thing," he said.
 

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