Monkey v Bastard - A matter of interpretation?

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

IIRC that second comment from him was tongue in cheek, but stupid nonetheless.

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

Absolute horse sh*t. The Indian crowds knew exactly what the term monkey means. Just like the football crowds you see in Spain and Italy calling black players monkeys and throwing bananas onto the field know what it means.

Having seen footage of the Indian crowds there is no way in hell they were calling him a monkey because it is a term of endearment. To suggest that is pure lunacy.



Which you wouldn't because he'd crush you.



His physical appearance being that he looks like someone from african descent.

Go burn something you racist fool.

you have no f**king idea about the 'indian' crowds FFS.

 

[EGGG]

This monkey god nonsense is one of the lamest, most pathetic excuses I've heard for a while. However it does give me the chuckles.

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

So... someone's religion is lame is it?

 

[EGGG]

So... someone's religion is lame is it?

Religion my ass. If he's so religious and in awe of Symonds why didn't Singh call Symonds an elephant instead, I'm pretty sure the elephant outranks the monkey in the hindu hierachy.

This is a nonsense. It would be like an American calling Symonds a monkey then turning around and saying he was complimenting Symonds strength by comparing it to King Kong.

 

[kilroy]

based on media reports...

and procters own speech.

so why did you say this earlier today?

only to retaliate to the previous post. (refer to the last para)

Absolute horse sh*t. The Indian crowds knew exactly what the term monky means. Just like the football crowds you see in Spain and Italy calling black players monkeys and throwing bananas onto the field know what it means.

i was talking from my perspective, that I thought it was more towards his appearance than his descent.

Having seen footage of the Indian crowds there is no way in hell they were calling him a monkey because it is a term of endearment. To suggest that is pure lunacy.

that endeament thing was a foolish coverup act by the BCCI. i've already stated what i think of them. CA should have been more firm on their stance and gone after them.

His physical appearance being that he looks like someone from african descent.

heck, i've called so many of my friends (indians) monkey. does that mean that think of them to be of african descent. symonds looks & african descent are pure coincidence. i wouldn't call e'to a monkey, simple coz he doesn't look like 1.

 

[kilroy]

IIRC that second comment from him was tongue in cheek, but stupid nonetheless.

about me calling symonds a m****?
that was hypothetical.

 

[kilroy]

Religion my ass. If he's so religious and in awe of Symonds why didn't Singh call Symonds an elephant instead, I'm pretty sure the elephant outranks the monkey in the hindu hierachy.

This is a nonsense. It would be like an American calling Symonds a monkey then turning around and saying he was complimenting Symonds strength by comparing it to King Kong.

you seem to be under the impression that i'm justifying Bhajji calling Symonds a m*****

 

[parra pete]

Silly kiwi.

That isn't a monkey. Its a bonobo..an ape...and the closest ape gentically linked to us.

I bet you call dolphins fish, eh?

;-)

No they call them fush

 

[El Diablo]

:lol:

an improvement

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

Religion my ass. If he's so religious and in awe of Symonds why didn't Singh call Symonds an elephant instead, I'm pretty sure the elephant outranks the monkey in the hindu hierachy.

This is a nonsense. It would be like an American calling Symonds a monkey then turning around and saying he was complimenting Symonds strength by comparing it to King Kong.

noone is saying it was a compliment, or saying that they were in awe of symonds. Initially, they just compared his looks to that of a mythological creature due to the zinc around his mouth - however it was percieved racist and any use by Singh after that was intentional.

 

[Coaster]

Anyone saying this wasnt an attempt at racism is kidding them selves.

Check this out

A reader's recent email puts it this way: “It is not about colour that the Aussies keep taunting others. It is their history they like to erase: after all, great civilizations thrived in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Africa, [at a time] when Australia was probably populated by animals. Understanding this inferiority complex is the key to solving Aussie spectator and player behaviour.”
This notion of civilisation superiority regularly finds voice in India, too, and more so under provocation. It is as damaging to the bigger cause as the incidents in Australia because, from a position of superiority, it is impossible to introspect with any fruitfulness. And sometimes in India you do worry if there is any introspection: so silent is everyone on the issue that you wonder if they know if it exists at all.
At the Bombay Test match against West Indies in 2002 I was told by friends in the stands that the relentless racist abuse joyously hurled at the visitors by some sections of the crowd was sickening. I don’t know if there was any accompanying the crowd disturbance in three subsequent one-dayers at Jamshedpur, Nagpur and Rajkot – such was the thinness of the reporting on that aspect of it – but it wouldn’t surprise me if there was. The culture which some carry like a shield does after all demonise, in literal terms, the colour black.
Though it was said with a kind of affection, you have to wonder about the chant ,‘Sabse kaala ladka kaun? Kambli, Kambli’ (Who’s the blackest boy of all? Kambli, Kambli). Has anybody asked Kambli what he thinks of it? Or the other dark-skinned people in the audience?

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:WsbYX6X4QVgJ:blogs.cricinfo.com/wicket_to_wicket/archives/2006/02/hit_racism_for.php+west+indies+2002+rasict+abuse+from+crowds&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&client=firefox-a

 

[EGGG]

Anyone saying this wasnt an attempt at racism is kidding them selves.

Check this out



http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:WsbYX6X4QVgJ:blogs.cricinfo.com/wicket_to_wicket/archives/2006/02/hit_racism_for.php+west+indies+2002+rasict+abuse+from+crowds&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&client=firefox-a

That's what I'm talking about. Indians hate themselves and the fact they are black, these are people who spend billions of dollars each year buying bleaches for their skin.

In order to feel better about themselves, they degrade those who they feel are even darker than them.

Very, very sad.

 

[Coaster]

More?
from 2002

Those wonderful days when the Indian cricket fan was "inclusive in his sympathies" and could "worship" Frank Worrell as much as Vinoo Mankad are long gone. The behaviour during the current ODI series suggests that large sections of Indian spectators are not only jingoistic but are unwilling to accept even a single loss and seem incapable of demonstrating a basic degree of respect towards players of opposing countries.
More disturbing is the trend of behaviour towards black cricketers who visit India. The West Indies suffered unruly Indian crowd behaviour as early as 1967, when a police attack and subsequent mismanagement by local administrators led to the interruption of the Calcutta Test. In January 1975, a pitch invasion and subsequent riots in the final Test at Bombay resulted in the loss of 90 minutes of play. Even during their 1994 tour of India, there were widespread complaints from the Windies players about instances of stones, bottles and fruits being thrown at them. Courtney Walsh was struck by a glass bottle in a ODI at Kanpur on that tour. Statements from the West Indies players such as "we are not animals" should really make Indians hang their heads in shame. One uncomfortable question begs to be asked: Is there not a racist angle in the abuse of West Indian players?

http://frontlineonnet.com/fl1924/stories/20021206003810200.htm

 

[kilroy]

don't generalize my dear friend. just coz an immature gang of indians did it, doesn't mean the whole nation shares their view & indulges in such activities.
sure i could find a lotta articles about a racist aussie crowd, even in the ongoing series, but i'm not going to generalize and have an opinion on the whole aussie population.

 

[Ziggy the God]

Yeah, a few years ago when the Windies where here, a loser behind me was throwing veiled racist taunts towards Curtley Ambrose.

It all came to a head when he came out with "show us your black chicken bones Curtly'. Not only was it racist, but it also didn't make sense.

I turned around and told him to go around the back of the members after stumps, and say it straight to his face.

It nearly broke into a fight between my group and his, until his girlfriend came back from the shops and glared him down. He didn't say another word for the rest of the day.

Bottom line, there are racists bastards everywhere, including at our cricket grounds.

 

[El Diablo]

on't generalize my dear friend. just coz an immature gang of indians did it, doesn't mean the whole nation shares their view & indulges in such activities

you're the idiot tat said Symonds had hardly evolved

why are you caling them immature?

racist

 

[Coaster]

don't generalize my dear friend. just coz an immature gang of indians did it, doesn't mean the whole nation shares their view & indulges in such activities.
sure i could find a lotta articles about a racist aussie crowd, even in the ongoing series, but i'm not going to generalize and have an opinion on the whole aussie population.

Yeah just a few, i guess the Indian players didn't know what they were saying??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUKYDe5f554&eurl=http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cacheH-m2DYDVMsJ:duckingbeamers.wordpress.com/2007/10/18/monkeying-around-a-long-defe

 

[Angry_eel]

That's what I'm talking about. Indians hate themselves and the fact they are black, these are people who spend billions of dollars each year buying bleaches for their skin.

In order to feel better about themselves, they degrade those who they feel are even darker than them.

Very, very sad.

talk about generalizing. If you look at it that way the All the Australians get pissed and attack Mediterranean Descendants.

and that article is very credible too

At the Bombay Test match against West Indies in 2002 I was told by friends in the stands that the relentless racist abuse joyously hurled at the visitors by some sections of the crowd was sickening.

Hearsay. WI should have complained about racism if they were taunted racially.

Those wonderful days when the Indian cricket fan was "inclusive in his sympathies" and could "worship" Frank Worrell as much as Vinoo Mankad are long gone. The behaviour during the current ODI series suggests that large sections of Indian spectators are not only jingoistic but are unwilling to accept even a single loss and seem incapable of demonstrating a basic degree of respect towards players of opposing countries.
More disturbing is the trend of behaviour towards black cricketers who visit India. The West Indies suffered unruly Indian crowd behaviour as early as 1967, when a police attack and subsequent mismanagement by local administrators led to the interruption of the Calcutta Test. In January 1975, a pitch invasion and subsequent riots in the final Test at Bombay resulted in the loss of 90 minutes of play. Even during their 1994 tour of India, there were widespread complaints from the Windies players about instances of stones, bottles and fruits being thrown at them. Courtney Walsh was struck by a glass bottle in a ODI at Kanpur on that tour. Statements from the West Indies players such as "we are not animals" should really make Indians hang their heads in shame. One uncomfortable question begs to be asked: Is there not a racist angle in the abuse of West Indian players?

Now thats stretching it a bit. Sure the crowd was unruly. I myself have seen the crowd unruly in India but they also attack Indian players. Wasn't it in 1996 world cup that Calcutta crowd set fire in the terraces and the match had to be called off.

I've seen bottles being thrown at Ajit Agarkar. Now are Indians being racist to their own?

Crowd has gone unruly in India no matter what the team is. However, the racial taunting is a bad thing(against symmonds) and should not be repeated.

 

[kilroy]

you're the idiot tat said Symonds had hardly evolved

why are you caling them immature?

racist

OMG u dimwit, how many times do i have to tell you it was in respect to his LOOKS & not his african descent.

you could call and african a monkey even if he doesn't look like one, and that would be RACIST
but what if you called a white american a monkey, solely coz he LOOKS like one, would that be RACIST !?!?!?