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Nathan Fien's mindset

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Is that where his heart is? *edit*Can you imagine him as a child cheering on the Kangaroos and now playing against his native country? I really don't understand. I mean yes it is test rugby league but.......against your own country? Fien lied so he could play against his own country....Don't understand his logic to be honest.....
 

ocko

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the bloke has acted dishonourably not only as a player, but as a man. I rarely say that sort of thing, but here it has to be said.
 

innsaneink

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Well....by the time you get to first grade rugby league, after years & years of dealing with club presidents and coaches and the politics that is rife in every club, not to mention having a player manager advise you from approx 16 years of age on just about everything from when to scratch ur arse to how to get the best deal for yourself by whatever means, its surprising any senior footy player has any integrity/morals left.
 

wittyfan

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Integrity died when ET hung up his boots.

Fien has done heaps of damage to international rugby league.
 

Red Bear

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exactly, its hypocritical to attack them for selecting aussies when we select kiwi's al the time.
 

Inferno

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His mindset is that he wants to play international footy and knows he was no shot at playing for Australia. It's not that hard to figure out really. There is more than 1 player who would jump at that opportunity knowing they most likely would never get a chance to pull on the Green and Gold.
 

Stewie Griffin

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Inferno said:
His mindset is that he wants to play international footy and knows he was no shot at playing for Australia. It's not that hard to figure out really. There is more than 1 player who would jump at that opportunity knowing they most likely would never get a chance to pull on the Green and Gold.

may be so... but you would not want your club player to do the same thing fien did... it's morally wrong, and it just gives rise to suspicion to his belief system. What he did was wrong on all of the behalf of what australia represents. He should be ashamed becoming a sell out. :(

I'm actually Korean with Australian citizenship. Came here in 93, when I was 9 and have been here since, and I love the place. Rather live here than Korea. However, I'd never betray my birth place for anything. My passions still lies with Korea. Always has, and always will. (Not quite sure if this has any relation with Fien's, but its nice to share :D )
 

Dave Q

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Nah, its all about what sport can do to you. He was desperate for some time in the biggest show in the game. The world stage.

Pressure to suceed has gotten the better of many sports stars. Those that take drugs are an example.

He's just a kid, his mind was twisted over this opportunity and he screwed up.

He is paying a terrible price as are NZ.

Theyve been good this year NZ.


I hope theres a positive somewhere out of this.

But nobody is perfect.
 

adamkungl

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Inferno is right. He has no chance of ever playing for Australia so he bullcrapped his way into the Kiwi side. Serves him, and NZ right. Theres a difference between Fien and Hunt, Mason, etc. They fit into the side under the rules. Fien doesn't. End of story.
 

ozbash

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Graham Lowe: Laughing their heads off

The highest honour for any New Zealand league player, the Kiwi jersey, is only ever on loan with those precious jerseys passed from player to player over the years.

Being a Kiwi is a special tradition and players must earn the right to wear the jersey.

The easiest part of the process should be deciding who is eligible - and I'm certain ex-Kiwis wouldn't want their jersey to be passed on to someone who is not a New Zealander.

Those former players created the mould and established the traditions that are part of being a Kiwi. Now someone at the NZRL has broken that mould and badly damaged the traditions.

And they've given Willie Mason the last laugh after last night's decision to dock the Kiwis two points in the series.

Mason said it was a joke having an Aussie in the Kiwi line-up and now it's a bigger joke than we could have imagined. It's a scandal equal to the underarm bowling incident.

I'm not taking aim at Nathan Fien but heck he does deserve a kick in the arse.

I'm certain his intentions were right but surely we are not so desperate that we have to invent ways to field non-Kiwis.

The creative use of the eligibility rule exposes the poor state of the international game and turns people off.

But I have to say I completely agree with the penalty dished out. And die-hard Kiwis fans will too.

This could have been rectified early in the piece with one simple word. Sorry.

Someone from the NZRL should have just said: "This should not have happened, we made an honest mistake and interpreted the rule the wrong way".

And the NZRL should have had a convenor of selectors overseeing what was going on. Part of his role is to ensure the selectors and coach understand the rules - and the consequences of stepping outside them. He is also the link to the board.

I'm sure cheating never entered anyone's mind but that is what the Kiwis have done. This is a mess that has been waiting to happen for a few years. Eligibility should be sorted by the simple use of a passport.

No New Zealand passport, no Kiwi jersey.

I don't even agree with the residency rule of three years. Players come here for three years or more only because they can get a better deal from the Warriors than other Australian clubs. As soon as a better deal comes along they are off.

This whole episode has been a disgrace and will scar the game forever. Someone needs to be made accountable.

Many are calling for structural changes in the governance and management of the game in New Zealand and it is hard not to agree with those views.

As many youngsters will tell you, sometimes, when you are desperate, you just have to dance with the ugly ones and be more confident of a better catch next week.

McClennan and the Kiwis faced that dilemma last week, desperate for a Kiwi win, and getting a result against Great Britain that was certainly not pretty.

But they got there, regardless of last night's decision, and what's helping the Kiwis is depth. New Zealand's best two attacking players are not even in the current squad.

Sonny Bill Williams and Benji Marshall are on the sidelines, yet once again McClennan is getting the best out of his players.

To be able to replace key backline players such as Steve Matai and Shontayne Hape and not miss a beat is a luxury Kiwi coaches have never had. Bluey has shown confidence and faith in his squad and I get the feeling any player could step into any position and do the job.

Our depth is greater than some may argue, especially if you consider some of the young talent. But, unfortunately, there seems to be a view that, unless a player is developed overseas, they are not rated.

The argument is that a young local won't handle the jump to test football - but this doesn't stack up for me. You don't know about players until they are tried and there's nothing quite like the romance of picking a bolter.

The challenge is to develop a local programme that gives New Zealand kids the chance of becoming a Kiwi.

At present the local game is just a sperm bank for NRL and Super League clubs.

Changing that is not a problem for the Kiwi coach, it's the job of the NZRL unless it wants our top players to continue to be developed overseas and then prevented by their clubs from playing in tests.

Nathan Cayless is someone who should figure prominently in the rest of this series. His games from the bench have been the best I've seen from the big Parramatta front-rower in a Kiwi jersey.

He seems to be thriving under McClennan's direction and is in the best international form of his career, bringing a much-needed steadiness to the Kiwi pack. He's not the one-dimensional player he was a couple of years back.

Few people are going to give the Pommies any hope against Australia tomorrow night but they will be a better side from their hit-out against the Kiwis.

The halves combination of Sean Long and Danny McGuire did not inject themselves into the game enough against the Kiwis but, when they did, they looked dangerous.

They will be very disappointed when they go over the game tape because if they had been backing up their forwards, as they usually do in the Super League, they could have made a number of breaks.

The lack of urgency from Great Britain proved very costly.

I know they complained about the time-keeping, but I had the feeling all through the game that they were unaware of how little time they had to catch the Kiwis.

But what worries me most for the series is that Australia have not really clicked.

They've played well in patches but coach Ricky Stuart will be looking for improvement. Perhaps we'll see that tomorrow night.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=342&ObjectID=10408885
 

ozbash

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New Zealand league's "Grannygate" saga took another twist overnight with one of the Kiwis selectors criticising his administrators.

Sydney's Daily Telegraph newspaper reported that former Kiwi and Manly star Darrell Williams, now one of three New Zealand selectors, is unimpressed with NZRL officials.

The paper reported that the NZRL "deluged international federation officials with legal letters last night" in a bid to avoid being docked two points over the selection of ineligible utility Nathan Fien in game two against Australia.

But The Telegraph tipped the submissions would fall on deaf ears when two Rugby League International Federation telephone hook-ups determine whether Fien was eligible and then what action to take if he was not. Williams is not impressed.

"I just think the onus is on the administration after this debacle to come up to scratch," he told the paper.

"They are working with professional players and they should be professional too. They have to cross all their t's and dot all their i's. "I certainly have some concerns."

The Telegraph also reported that Williams was perplexed at the fact he was selector yet had not been invited to any Tri-Nations games.
 
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