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National second tier knockout comp

TheGrifter

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The NRL is set to emulate football’s English Premier League by introducing a new, FA Cup-style tournament as part of a radical plan behind the push for a national reserve-grade competition.
Sport Confidential can reveal the code’s wish for an NRL reserve grade is officially dead – but another bold proposal has been tabled to strengthen rugby league’s second tier.
Key stakeholders are in talks to create an additional second-tier tournament in which teams from the Queensland and NSW Cups would square off in a “crossover” competition.
It would also allow reserve-grade outfits from the Broncos, Titans and Cowboys to take part against NSW Cup teams such as Penrith, the Bulldogs and Newcastle, giving NRL brands more representation in the second tier.
The Broncos would field a team in the proposed knockout tournament.
The Queensland and NSW Cup competitions will still exist in their current format.
But this additional league will see approximately 30 teams – comprising the two state leagues plus the Broncos, Titans, Cowboys and a new Toowoomba side – going toe-to-toe in a cross-border bonanza.
Several formats and names are still being discussed. One suggested name is the Challenge Cup.
In UK football, 124 teams participate in the famous FA Cup knockout tournament, while English rugby league has the Challenge Cup, which had 63 entrants last year.
QRL chairman Bruce Hatcher confirmed the original NRL reserve-grade concept has been scrapped as bosses explore other options – including an Australian version of the Challenge Cup.
The Bears are a powerful NSW Cup side.
“We need to refine the concept a little more, but we have proposed an FA or Challenge Cup competition where the Queensland and NSW Cup teams can crossover to play each other,” he said.
“There is not a great appetite among the 16 NRL clubs for a national reserve grade, but this can be a successful alternative.
“The Queensland and NSW Cups will have their existing competitions and this Challenge Cup competition could be played as a separate knockout league or over seven or eight rounds leading to a grand final.
“By having a Challenge Cup competition, that would enable the Broncos, Cowboys and Titans to field reserve-grade teams.
Wynum-Manly would presumably have to compete without their Broncos aligned players
“You could have the Broncos reserve-grade side playing against the Newtown Jets in the Challenge Cup which would be great to see.
“It’s quite an exciting proposal and a very good alternative to the NRL reserve-grade model.”
Hatcher said the NRL’s most influential administrators are committed to ensuring the proposed new competition is not killed off after one season.
“It’s possible a Challenge Cup league could come in next year, but it’s more likely to be in 2024,” he said.
“When it’s done, we would look at a five-year arrangement to test the format and iron-out any issues that are raised along the way.
“This proposal is in the greater interests of rugby league.”
 

jim_57

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Not a bad idea but adding Titans, Broncos and Cowboys reserve grade sides is dumb when their players already play for QLD Cup teams when not in first grade.

NSW Cup - 13 Teams from 2023
QLD Cup - 15 Teams from 2023

Add 4 teams for a neat knockout of 32, a couple from Digicel Cup PNG, Kaiviti Silktails and maybe the Affiliated states Champions with a few local pro players invited where possible.
 

Diesel

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I don’t agree adding QLD NRL teams to the competition but I think it should be larger than the two competitions.

The challenge cup doesn’t add SL teams until round 4 of the knock outs. Why not have a pre-state cup knock out for wild card entry to tge competition, says a few NZ/PNG or PI teams, even regional clubs below state cup.

if the 1970’s could pull off a Auckland team in the AMCO Cup then the ARLC can fund additional teams.

8 non-state clubs in a knock out competition for two final places to join the 15 QLD Cup teams (Toowoomba re-enters in 2023) and 15 NSW Cup teams

40 teams total, see how it runs and tweek any changes after the 1st year
 

mongoose

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Not a bad idea but adding Titans, Broncos and Cowboys reserve grade sides is dumb when their players already play for QLD Cup teams when not in first grade.

NSW Cup - 13 Teams from 2023
QLD Cup - 15 Teams from 2023

Add 4 teams for a neat knockout of 32, a couple from Digicel Cup PNG, Kaiviti Silktails and maybe the Affiliated states Champions with a few local pro players invited where possible.
yeah I don't get the point of Broncos, Titans reserve grade sides.... in fact the whole thing sounds confusing. Don't the top flight teams participate in FA and Challenge cup's? Will NRL teams participate in this competition?
 

MugaB

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By the sounds of it they are still figuring out the structure, so there may be a place for a WA team. Ideally WA should receive proper funding to enter a side into the NSW or QLD cup and the knockout cup as well.
The WA is in a comp, Its called SG ball, and they get knocked out all the time, mostly by 50 most rounds.... yet we all want that to translate in perth entering the NRL.... yay more titans
 

Perth Red

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The WA is in a comp, Its called SG ball, and they get knocked out all the time, mostly by 50 most rounds.... yet we all want that to translate in perth entering the NRL.... yay more titans
Its serving its purpose developing players who can go on and keep developing either at a local, state or NRL level. The Pirates SG ball side runs on the lowest budget (by far), have by far the most travel to cope with and have the smallest pool to draw from. All things considering they are doing ok. But yeh lets be critical of the only actual genuine bit of expansion growth we have lol
 

Perth Red

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Well in the us the second tier (college) does get people going.
and in other comps, NRL would kill for these second division attendances lol


Not to mention top 7 clubs in division 3 at or above NRL avg lol
 
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Its serving its purpose developing players who can go on and keep developing either at a local, state or NRL level. The Pirates SG ball side runs on the lowest budget (by far), have by far the most travel to cope with and have the smallest pool to draw from. All things considering they are doing ok. But yeh lets be critical of the only actual genuine bit of expansion growth we have lol
It's best to ignore the NSWRL trolls who denigrate the Pirates. People should be happy that a non-traditional state is funding a developmental team that's supplying talent to the NRL.
 

TheGrifter

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Not a bad idea but adding Titans, Broncos and Cowboys reserve grade sides is dumb when their players already play for QLD Cup teams when not in first grade.

NSW Cup - 13 Teams from 2023
QLD Cup - 15 Teams from 2023

Add 4 teams for a neat knockout of 32, a couple from Digicel Cup PNG, Kaiviti Silktails and maybe the Affiliated states Champions with a few local pro players invited where possible.
Would be great to see the Silktails in there.
 

Colk

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Nothing gets ppl going like a second division

You obviously don’t get the point.

The game needs to improve the ways it develops talent. The only one it does this is by building a better structure underneath first grade.
 

TheGrifter

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I wonder what happens with Melbourne and the Warriors, there was no mention of them.

This seems like a compromise solution between the Sydney clubs who have been pushing for a full national reserve grade competition and the QRL who are staunchly opposed to that and will do everything to make sure their state league clubs aren't pushed down a step in the structure.

It could work really well if they give it a little bit of funding and promote it properly.

If they had 32 teams it could be a straight knockout over 5 weeks. Or they could have 8 pools of four with a group stage, and the top 1 or 2 of each pool going on to an 8 or 16 team knockout. That would give every club a minimum of 3 matches and run for 6 or 7 weeks.
 
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