New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Gobsmacked]

You have provided assumptions not evidence.
Where are the juniors? where are the players? where are the sponsors? Hell, where are the bids for the team?

A second NZ team make all that a certainty.

 

[Te Kaha]

A second NZ team make all that a certainty.

Like it did for the warriors? Where player numbers declined. The game in the regions near died and the game was concentrated in Auckland to the detriment of League in NZ?

It does in no way make that a certainty. There are less than 20K school kids playing League, a figure dropping by the year. A new team to support will not stop that.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

the NBL broadcast deal is less than the A League.

It is, but a basketball roster has significantly fewer players and players can earn money from private endorsements. Aron Baynes is on about $800k a year with the Bullets.

 

[Pippen94]

A second NZ team make all that a certainty.

Don't pee on my leg & tell me it's raining

 

[Matua]

If your only response is you guys don’t understand the market in nz and are going to keep repeating it to every poster it’s best to probably not continue further lol

Well if you stop spouting your same old uninformed B/S then we wont need to continue any further.

 

[Perth Red]

How much is the NRL revenue???!

How much is the nrl spending in nz? $500k grant and $15mill to warriors who dont seem to know what to do with it.

 

[Perth Red]

ARL, Sky New Zealand agree to long-term TV deal

State of Origin fixtures and a selection of premium NRL matches be available on free-to-air TV in New Zealand for the first time as a part of a new broadcast rights deal between the ARL Commission and Sky New Zealand.

www.nrl.com

sky nz to invest more in New Zealand league grassroots together with the arlc and nzrl

Interestingly there is no comment from Abdo in that article about growing funding and jnr RL, sounds like we are relying on skynz to do it lol
nrl for decades has provided nzrl an absolute pittance in funding, despite reaping financial and player talent rewards from the country. There was no significant increase to nzrl in 2021 following this article, be intersting to see if there is any when the 2022 reports come out.

 

[Wb1234]

A second NZ team make all that a certainty.

Best to ignore the trolls

Well if you stop spouting your same old uninformed B/S then we wont need to continue any further.

Multiple articles on this topic and Andrew abdo talking about it too

just because you don’t like what they are saying makes it wrong

 

[Te Kaha]

Best to ignore the trolls

Multiple articles on this topic and Andrew abdo talking about it too

just because you don’t like what they are saying makes it wrong

You're telling him to ignore you? ok then.

Articles like that have been going around for years. Simple truth is they never follow through. As a result junior player numbers have tanked and clubs have folded.
Putting a new club in where there is little support and no junior numbers without increases in junior funding first will do nothing but cause it to fold.

Mind you there is more chance of zero NRL clubs in NZ than two.

 

[marshall stalin]

It's been in a poor state regardless of Covid. You're focussing on the Warriors but it's also grassroots where the issues are. Where I'm from there used to be a 6-8 team comp now they barely can run 4 teams.

Ditching the U20s comp put a big dent in league and NZ. Lots of young guys were heading into the league system as they could get compensated earlier. Without it they now stay in the academies system in rugby.


The NPC is actually in fairly good health as a third tier comp (good for development and fan support), most provinces are financially stable these days (which wasn't always the case when they were striving to keep it at a higher level) and they get good viewing figures for the size of the comp.

Super Rugby Pacific in its current structure has been running for one year and the two unions have recently reached a revenue sharing agreement (which is really just to stop the Aussies whining in the papers once a month). So it really is too early to claim it a flop. It's financially viable enough for NZ to subsidise two PI teams.

And as other posters have already discussed NZ rugby is a top down model, the ABs are drivers of everything, they bring in the revenue and subsidise the rest of the game.

The Warriors will have teams in both Jersey Flegg ( Under 21's) and NSW Cup in 2023.

 

[Gobsmacked]

You're telling him to ignore you? ok then.

Articles like that have been going around for years. Simple truth is they never follow through. As a result junior player numbers have tanked and clubs have folded.
Putting a new club in where there is little support and no junior numbers without increases in junior funding first will do nothing but cause it to fold.

Mind you there is more chance of zero NRL clubs in NZ than two.

You poor deluded man

 

[Te Kaha]

You poor deluded man

You're the one making unsubstantiated unevidenced claims.. and you are calling someone else deluded? Lot of irony in those few words of yours.

 

[Gobsmacked]

You're the one making unsubstantiated unevidenced claims.. and you are calling someone else deluded? Lot of irony in those few words of yours.

Peter V'landys wants to guarantee NRL club's futures for a century

“What if we find out a year later that the new owner is actually an international cocaine smuggler.”

www.zerotackle.com

 

[Te Kaha]

Peter V'landys wants to guarantee NRL club's futures for a century

“What if we find out a year later that the new owner is actually an international cocaine smuggler.”

www.zerotackle.com

"While it does give guarantees to clubs that aren't as financially well off as their rivals, the licenses can still be cancelled under an extreme circumstance" no players in the team would count as "extreme circumstance".

 

[Perth Red]

Peter V'landys wants to guarantee NRL club's futures for a century

“What if we find out a year later that the new owner is actually an international cocaine smuggler.”

www.zerotackle.com

Lol that just about removing the clubs threat of break aways every time it’s renogtiated grant time. They’ve been trying to get them to sign perpetual licenses for 20 years.

 

[Gobsmacked]

"While it does give guarantees to clubs that aren't as financially well off as their rivals, the licenses can still be cancelled under an extreme circumstance" no players in the team would count as "extreme

I'm actually impressed by your trolling. It's a talent acting that dumb

 

[Pippen94]

Best to ignore the trolls

Multiple articles on this topic and Andrew abdo talking about it too

just because you don’t like what they are saying makes it wrong

So it's certain a second team will see league surpass union in nz?!

 

[Wb1234]

I'm actually impressed by your trolling. It's a talent acting that dumb

So it's certain a second team will see league surpass union in nz?!

So it's certain a second team will see league surpass union in nz?!

it’s a discussion forum

a second nz team is going to make rugby league bigger in New Zealand

that’s unarguable

it’s pretty funny you don’t want to see rugby league doing well against a rival sport which has tried and in some places succeeded to kill rugby league

 

[Matua]

The Warriors will have teams in both Jersey Flegg ( Under 21's) and NSW Cup in 2023.

That post was less about the Warriors and more about the U20 comp as a whole and the amount of money young guys just out of school could earn playing in it back then as opposed to being in a rugby academy in NZ.

 

[The Great Dane]

Except they weren't crowds of expat Kiwis. But regardless of where a spectator originate from they're still contributing money. If the Tahs play three NZ teams a year and get extra spectators because of it then that's good for the bottom line.

I didn't move the goalposts at all. This thread has been about NRL apparently taking over NZ rugby due to a second team. Most of your post was about Australian rugby exclusively so maybe don't be so quick at throwing those stones in your glasshouse.

Rugby is minor sport in Oz, the reality is it's never going to be mainstream, no one is even claiming that. That's why calls to set up a year long domestic comp to compete directly with NRL is frankly preposterous. It's a losing battle. It's as delusional an outcome as the blokes on here who think a second NRL team in NZ is going takeover rugby in the country. The ARU agreed to Super Rugby Pacific, despite their sabre rattling about going it alone in the media every month like clockwork, because it's the best competition for both countries considering the circumstances.

Related to that, Oz Super teams will improve with regular matches over the season, it wont if they get tonked at an end of year Champions League. We saw that in 2021 and there was even improvement in 2022.

You absolutely moved the goalposts, and you know you did. You've done it again BTW.

It's only a generation ago that Union was competitive in the market with the NRL and AFL, and it could be again with good management, some forward planning, and a touch of luck. But that will never happen because the ARU are too stupid, weak, or a mixture of both, to see that the NZRU is a leech that needs the Australian RU more than they realise, and only cares about Australian rugby in so much as they personally can benefit from it.

Yeah it'd be rough for a while, after all the ARU would be effectively building from the ground up again, but sometimes you have no choice but to knockdown the old dilapidated buildings to make way for new ones. If the NZRU refuses to get on board and allow the changes necessary for that progress to happen then f**k em, they're not doing anything more for you (Australian RU) than sucking every last drop of sustenance that they can from your carcass before they inevitably move on to a new "partner".