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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

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Ten million
The labour force in PNG is 3,228,808, but the amount who earn a wage is much less.


When and where will the jobs for decent pay come from to alleviate pressure on the average Papua New Guinean? The informal economy regularly fares poorly. Representing up to 80 per cent of the population who are largely subsistence farmers, it is underutilised as a true source of wealth generation for the country. Of a population around 10 million plus, about 270,000 are formally employed, and those “lucky” ones will earn at minimum, K280 (A$120.00) per fortnight. That is not a sustainable income in a country stricken by increased cost-of-living pressures.

 

Wb1234

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The labour force in PNG is 3,228,808, but the amount who earn a wage is much less.


When and where will the jobs for decent pay come from to alleviate pressure on the average Papua New Guinean? The informal economy regularly fares poorly. Representing up to 80 per cent of the population who are largely subsistence farmers, it is underutilised as a true source of wealth generation for the country. Of a population around 10 million plus, about 270,000 are formally employed, and those “lucky” ones will earn at minimum, K280 (A$120.00) per fortnight. That is not a sustainable income in a country stricken by increased cost-of-living pressures.
Ticket prices will reflect their ability to pay

right now the ground capacity is only 15k

It needs to be upgraded to include corporate boxes and safety measures
 

titoelcolombiano

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I disagree about Las Vegas. 0.1% of Americans watched it. Most fans in attendance were Aussies. Media referred to it as "Aussie rugby". The only beneficiaries of the exercise were the Nevada tourism industry. I worry about how many people will show up in the upcoming years.

I hate to say it, but Yanks will never care about anything that ain't of Yankee Doodle origin. Origin in California didn't work. Kiwis vs Lions in Denver didn't work. Neither did Las Vegas.
It wasn't really about the yanks though was it. It rated its socks off in Australia and the media hype leading into it was insane. If the event can get that many travelling, then it is absolutely worth something (which is why they are looking to get the English teams involved, more travelling fans).
 
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It wasn't really about the yanks though was it. It rated its socks off in Australia and the media hype leading into it was insane. If the event can get that many travelling, then it is absolutely worth something (which is why they are looking to get the English teams involved, more travelling fans).
The media hyped it up because Australians are desperate to be recognised by Americans as their equals. Americans think it's cute how Australians worship them, but they don't view us as their equals.

Let's see how much hype this event gets in its third and fourth years. As each year goes by it will lose its hype and become just another event.

V'landys is only doing this because some American states have legalised sports betting. He wants American punters to spend their money on the NRL and NSW Racing.
 

shewi6

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Vegas was a success and set a foundation to build the american audience as only half of the attendance was from overseas, so that about 20k americans were there.

It didn't actually cost the nrl any money to stage it this year with revenue from airlines, hotels and the LV tourism board contributing. The shortfall was about the same amount of money they usually spend to launch the season in sydney so that money was already spent essentially.

But instead we got record ratings and media coverage here and in america and created an event people want to go to.

I really don't see what there is to sook about with regards to vegas, a real rugby league fan would be right behind it and looking forward to seeing it get bigger becuase the rewards of the american market are potentially massive.

And if it fizzles out in the next couple of years so be it, it hasn't cost us $100M like some people would have u believe.

At least the sharks have got $5M out of the american exposure already...
 

docbrown

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Just make a 3rd team for Wellington, way down the track, that southern orcas brand seems to be pretty well thought out... best to capitalise on the Christchurch bidders first then a decade later ask for interest in Wellington after that
The next 10 years will be Perth & New Zealand 2 at a minimum. Potentially PNG too. You're looking at least 15 years before they even consider a Wellington teams. Probably closer to 20 years.

Don't get me wrong. The NRL is already matching Super Rugby in New Zealand.


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Head to head. One NRL team is essentially driving 43% more interest than 5 Super Rugby teams combined. NRL is bigger than Super Rugby in New Zealand
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A second team? That red line goes down and the blue lines goes up even further.

This was 2023:
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You can see once the All Blacks start playing interest picks up. But you can also see that when the NRL season goes head to head with the All Blacks directly in that second, they only out peak us 4 times and not be a whole lot. We also out peak them 4 times in that same period.

You look at the peak of the NRL to the peak of the All Blacks - the peak of NRL interest was 75% that of the All Blacks.

The interest in New Zealand for NRL is 75% of that of the most important Rugby Union team in the country.

A second NRL team - we move to 80-90%. Maybe even on par with the All Blacks as NRL booms and Super Rugby declines. At which point New Zealand would be just as much a rugby league country as it is a rugby union country.

A third NRL team and competitive Kiwis matches - Kiwis potentially overtake the All Blacks - and New Zealand will be a rugby league country - without doubt.
 

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Perth Red

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I just looked at the NRL's press release on its finances to see where its profit is coming from.

Key points of the NRL’s performance in 2023 included:
    • Revenue growing 18% from $107.3m to $701.m, driven by new media rights deal and record sponsorship, wagering and game day income;
    • NRL broadcast figures outstripping AFL, with 93.2m viewers tuning into Telstra Premiership matches on Nine and Fox Sports compared to 91m for AFL’s free-to-air and pay-tv coverage. Overall, rugby league viewership was 171.8m, making the code Australia’s most watched sport;
    • Huge growth of interest in the expanded NRLW, with 7.2m viewers watching NRLW compared to 6.1m AFLW viewers - despite the rival code playing more than twice as many matches (99 to 48). More than 1m viewers tuned into the NRLW grand final, which was watched by a crowd of 40649 fans at Accor Stadium, while NRLW content views were up 31% on NRL.com and video views by 48%;
    • Average crowds of 20,300 for the regular season and finals;3.1m NRL accounts, with 450,000 new fans signing up, while the NRL increased its lead as the largest Australian sport on TikTok with 1.22m followers, along with 1.63m followers on Instagram;
    • The lowest operating costs of any Australian sport on an expense to revenue ratio of 22.2% - down from 25.5% in 2022, and;
    • Grassroots participation increasing by 9% to more than 192,000 registered players, with male playing numbers up 5% and female playing numbers growing by 12%.



The increase in revenue from game day was on the back of high attendances and membership sales for the Broncos and Dolphins. The Broncos and Dolphins generated the most from sponsorship. Attendances for the Cowboys and Titans increased too, with the former having one of the largest sponsorship packages in the NRL.

If we add teams in Christchurch, Perth and Port Moresby then game day revenue will fall substantially.

Port Moresby can only fit 15,000 into its ground. Its corporate facilities are poor. There isn't a large amount of cashed up rugby league fans in Port Moresby to generate the same level of game day revenue as the Broncos and Dolphins.

Perth's stadium has a capacity of just 20,500 with poor corporate facilities. It will not generate anywhere as much as the Dolphins.

Christchurch will be similar to Perth. Warriors generated just $11,600,000 from football operations in 2023.

Television ratings increased because of the Dolphins. The same will not hold true for PNG, Perth and Christchurch.

Attendances will decline with the addition of teams from Christchurch, Perth and Port Moresby.
wtf? Nrl game day revenue is only from: Vegas, origin, all stars, magic weekend, test matches and finals. Club gate revenue has nothing to do with nrl lol
 

Perth Red

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Ticket prices will reflect their ability to pay

right now the ground capacity is only 15k

It needs to be upgraded to include corporate boxes and safety measures
Just adding another non nrl standard stadium to add to Redcliffe, LO and Cronulla.
 

Matiunz

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Interesting take on a 2nd NZ NRL team and the popularity of the warriors in New Zealand.

Pretty much sums up the current climate I’d only argue a couple of points;
Odd they don’t see Phoenix and Breakers as NZ teams- I’d argue most do (I’ve been to their Sydney games a few times with expats). Obviously not the same popularity as the Warriors but they pull national support rather than geo specific support.
Good points around the media beat up around SR scheduling, you’d likely see a large cross over of fans watching both games so it doesn’t make sense to limit your audience having them go head to head.
Don’t think many are arguing the Warriors are an exciting watch, the key still needs to be getting more people playing the game.
 

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