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Timmah

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Until I'm PM'd with a reason why our opinions are being censored and we are not being given our right to free speech on this matter then I will continue to post this thread for people to discuss on.

Ink was saying 12 players were named and fined a particular amount of money - what was the source for this info?
 

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http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,12329763-23214,00.html

Knights fine players $50,000
February 21, 2005

THE Newcastle Knights NRL club has fined 12 players a total of $50,000 following a drunken rampage in a university dormitory in the New South Wales town of Bathurst at the weekend.

After two days of investigations and a marathon afternoon board meeting, the Knights announced a series of fines following the breach of a 3am curfew and related incidents involving a fire extinguisher and a bicycle.

The club is also continuing its investigation into a more serious matter, following allegations that one player indecently assaulted a female student.

The fines follow reports that Knights players went on a drunken rampage through a student dormitory at Charles Sturt University in Bathurst after a trial game on Saturday night.

"We believe we have treated these breaches extremely seriously with the largest fines for offences of his nature in the club's 18-year history," chairman Michael Hill told a media conference at the club's Newcastle headquarters tonight.

"A further allegation has also been made against one of our players which is of a graver nature. We are dealing with this issue still and as such we have no further comment to make at this time."

One unnamed student described on radio how a player allegedly assaulted a student as she slept.

"He then went back towards the door, saw her on her bed face down, climbed on top of her, straddled her and began to touch her inappropriately," she said.

However, police said today they had yet to receive an official complaint against the Knights players and had no evidence to support claims of an indecent assault.

The players fined were Dustin Cooper, Kurt Gidley, Mark Hughes, Matt Kennedy, Todd Lowrie, Blake Mueller, Luke Quigley, Kirk Reynoldson, Reegan Tanner, Dane Tilse, Daniel Tolar and Adam Woolnough.

No breakdown of the fines was announced and the players had the right to appeal, Knights chief executive Ken Conway said.

"The rest of the team were fairly disgusted and the rest of the team were keen to make sure that the players concerned were named so that the players who weren't involved didn't have their names besmirched," Conway said.

"We think that's important.

"We believe the players know the code of conduct, know what's involved in making sure our game has a good image, have to take responsibility for their own actions and not hide behind blank statements."

Gidley, captain of the team in Bathurst, apologised to the club and its fans.

"I was the acting captain in Bathurst and on behalf of players who broke club curfew and acted inappropriately on Sunday morning, we would like to apologise without reservation for any offence taken by students at Charles Sturt University," he said.

"We realise that another matter of a more serious nature may still be the subject of further investigation.

"Irrespective of this we would like to express that our actions were unacceptable.

"We have breached our own code of conduct, the trust of our club and the supporters. We are committed now towards working hard to rebuild that trust."

The club and players may face further sanctions from the NRL – the game's governing body has the capacity to fine clubs and de-register players. Last year the Bulldogs were hit with a $500,000 fine – $350,000 was suspended – over allegations of sexual misconduct in Coffs Harbour.

"We're accountable to the NRL and we await what action they're going to take," Hill said.

"We have an indication any action they take will be determined after action we might take."

The NRL tonight declined to comment until Newcastle had completed its investigation into the more serious matter.

But NSW Premier Bob Carr called on NRL players and officials to clean up their image after the latest incident.

"I'm keen to see rugby league clean up its image ... clearly they accept that there is an onus on the game ... on the players to clean up its image in respect to these sorts of things," he said.

Conway said the Knights had become aware of the incident on Sunday morning when two players reported the matter to team officials.

He said the club immediately began an investigation, culminating in tonight's fines.

"Players at some point in time have to take responsibility for their actions and that's what today's investigation has been about," Conway said.

The financial repercussions of the Bathurst brouhaha could be dire for the club.

Newcastle, without the support of a leagues club, fights a yearly battle to make ends meet.

As of today, it still had not secured a major sponsor for this season.

"I have been very busy today investigating the allegations, I have not been afforded the opportunity to have discussions with any of our sponsors," Conway said.

"I would hope provided it is considered that we have dealt with the matter appropriately it wouldn't affect our sponsorship arrangements but that remains to be seen and it certainly is a concern."

Conway and Hill also absolved coach Michael Hagan and football manager Mark Sargent of any blame.

It's understood the pair spoke with players about their responsibilities prior to the trip and on the bus on the way to Bathurst.

Hagan and Sargent then conducted a head count when the players returned to their hotel at 3am.

It's understood the 12 players concerned then headed back out.

"They signed players in and made sure the players were back," Conway said.

Hill said: "We don't think it's our responsibility to police 24-7.

"We believe the players have to take responsibility for their own actions."

AAP

There we go, some sources
 

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http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,12317313-23214,00.html

University fears further victims
February 21, 2005

CHARLES Sturt University officials are investigating whether more than one female was victimised in a drunken rampage through a student dormitory by Newcastle Knights players.


Scene ... lodgings in Brilliant St, Bathurst. Pic: James Crouch

Acting deputy vice-chancellor Professor David Battersby said university investigators spoke to the girl at the centre of the controversy for the first time today.

Asked if there was more than one claiming players jumped on her in her bed he said: "Not that we know.

"But that's why the university launched this investigation to follow up on that alleged incident plus the other incidents."

The other incidents included media reports that fans took two of the players back to the dorm about 3am.

The players left but returned later with two others.

The second pair reportedly let off fire extinguishers and knocked on the doors of female residents.

A number of girls said the players forced their way into the students' rooms, with one chased down the street in his underpants by security guards.

"There were about seven of them when they first came and there was only two of us girls and I was, like, `oh God, don't let them in'," student Mel Sealey told Channel 10.

Another student said she had witnessed an incident alleged to have occurred as students slept early yesterday.

"He then went back towards the door, saw her on her bed face down, climbed on top of her, straddled her and began to touch her inappropriately," she told ABC radio.

"I know for a fact that she awoke at this stage, like properly came conscious, and you know, obviously told him to get off her, go away."

Professor Battersby said counselling was being offered to the female victim.

"We've provided support for that person and I'm hopeful that through our counselling processes here at the university and the support structures that we have in place that we will be able to, in due course, obtain a statement from the alleged victim," he said.

He said he was made aware yesterday about the incidents at the dormitory and the investigation launched today was not sparked by reports in The Daily Telegraph.

"We were aware of this incident yesterday. It was brought to my attention yesterday afternoon," he said.

Professor Battersby said the university was extremely disturbed by the allegations.

"At present we do not want to prejudice any investigations that may be made," he said.

"We will be making a further response on this issue as more information comes to light."

Asked if he was aware of any official complaint of indecent assault against a player being made to police he said: "I'm not aware of any official complaint at the moment."


NSW Premier Bob Carr called on NRL players and officials to clean up their image after the latest incident.

"I'll leave it to them to assess whether this was a serious incident, whether it is as it's been reported," Mr Carr said.

"I'm keen to see rugby league clean up its image and I think the leaders of rugby league have done the right thing in lifting the tone in the activities surrounding the game."

NRL chief executive David Gallop said: "At this stage, we will wait for the Knights to respond to the allegations and keep us advised of developments."

Many of the students are understood to have been been watching the game and attended post-match drinks.

AAP
 

innsaneink

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Its childish to continue to delete the threads...whats the point?

Pretending it didnt happen?
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The NRL really need to hit em hard, its getting beyond a joke.
 

Timmah

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They've been "quarantined" for "further inspection". Hopefully these willbe merged into the old thread once it's been torn apart by the mods.
 

innsaneink

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One un-named player contract has been ripped up, unable to play with anyone for 12 months.

NRL have fined Newcastle $100,000 with another 100K suspended.
 

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Newcastle sack player
February 21, 2005
From: AAP
THE Newcastle Knights NRL club tonight sacked one player and issued fines totalling $50,000 following a drunken rampage in a university dormitory in the NSW town of Bathurst at the weekend.

Knights chief executive Ken Conway declined to name the sacked player while the NRL later ruled he will not be able to play for another club.
The Knights acted after allegations that one player indecently assaulted a woman in her bed at Charles Sturt University.

The fines related to players breaching the team's 3am curfew and also for other incidents involving a fire extinguisher and a bicycle at the university.

The club named the 12 players who were fined as: Dustin Cooper, Kurt Gidley, Mark Hughes, Matt Kennedy, Todd Lowrie, Blake Mueller, Luke Quigley, Kirk Reynoldson, Reegan Tanner, Dane Tilse, Daniel Tolar and Adam Woolnough.

They all fronted a media conference in Newcastle tonight and Gidley, the acting captain at Bathurst, apologised on their behalf.

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innsaneink

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I wonder why they wont name him.....wont be hard to work out who it is once the season starts.
 

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Knights player sacked over binge
22:44 AEDT Mon Feb 21 2005


The Newcastle Knights NRL sacked a player and issued fines of $50,000 after a drunken rampage in a university in Bathurst.

After two days of investigations and a marathon afternoon board meeting, the Knights announced a series of fines following the breach of a 3am curfew and related incidents involving a fire extinguisher and a bicycle.

The club is also continuing its investigation into a more serious matter, following allegations that one player indecently assaulted a female student.

The fines follow reports that Knights players went on a drunken rampage through a student dormitory at Charles Sturt University in Bathurst after a trial game on Saturday night.

"We believe we have treated these breaches extremely seriously with the largest fines for offences of his nature in the club's 18-year history," chairman Michael Hill told a media conference at the club's Newcastle headquarters.

"A further allegation has also been made against one of our players which is of a graver nature. We are dealing with this issue still and as such we have no further comment to make at this time."




One un-named student described on radio how a player allegedly assaulted a student as she slept.

"He then went back towards the door, saw her on her bed face down, climbed on top of her, straddled her and began to touch her inappropriately," she said.

However, police said they had yet to receive an official complaint against the Knights players and had no evidence to support claims of an indecent assault.

The players fined were Dustin Cooper, Kurt Gidley, Mark Hughes, Matt Kennedy, Todd Lowrie, Blake Mueller, Luke Quigley, Kirk Reynoldson, Reegan Tanner, Dane Tilse, Daniel Tolar and Adam Woolnough.

No break-down of the fines was announced and the players had the right to appeal, Knights chief executive Ken Conway said.

"The rest of the team were fairly disgusted and the rest of the team were keen to make sure that the players concerned were named so that the players who weren't involved didn't have their names besmirched," Conway said.

"We think that's important.

"We believe the players know the code of conduct, know what's involved in making sure our game has a good image, have to take responsibility for their own actions and not hide behind blank statements."

Gidley, captain of the team in Bathurst, apologised to the club and its fans.

"I was the acting captain in Bathurst and on behalf of players who broke club curfew and acted inappropriately on Sunday morning, we would like to apologise without reservation for any offence taken by students at Charles Sturt University," he said.

"We realise that another matter of a more serious nature may still be the subject of further investigation.

"Irrespective of this we would like to express that our actions were unacceptable.

"We have breached our own code of conduct, the trust of our club and the supporters. We are committed now towards working hard to rebuild that trust."

The club and players may face further sanctions from the NRL - the game's governing body has the capacity to fine clubs and de-register players.

Last year the Bulldogs were hit with a $500,000 fine - $350,000 was suspended - over allegations of sexual misconduct in Coffs Harbour.

"We're accountable to the NRL and we await what action they're going to take," Hill said.

"We have an indication any action they take will be determined after action we might take."

The NRL declined to comment until Newcastle had completed its investigation into the more serious matter.

But NSW Premier Bob Carr called on NRL players and officials to clean up their image after the latest incident.

"I'm keen to see rugby league clean up its image ... clearly they accept that there is an onus on the game ... on the players to clean up its image in respect to these sorts of things," he said.

Conway said the Knights had become aware of the incident on Sunday morning when two players reported the matter to team officials.

He said the club immediately began an investigation, culminating in tonight's fines.

"Players at some point in time have to take responsibility for their actions and that's what today's investigation has been about," Conway said.

The financial repercussions of the Bathurst brouhaha could be dire for the club.

Newcastle, without the support of a leagues club, fights a yearly battle to make ends meet.

As of Monday, it still had not secured a major sponsor for this season.

"I have been very busy today investigating the allegations, I have not been afforded the opportunity to have discussions with any of our sponsors," Conway said.

"I would hope provided it is considered that we have dealt with the matter appropriately it wouldn't affect our sponsorship arrangements but that remains to be seen and it certainly is a concern."

Conway and Hill also absolved coach Michael Hagan and football manager Mark Sargent of any blame.

It's understood the pair spoke with players about their responsibilities prior to the trip and on the bus on the way to Bathurst.

Hagan and Sargent then conducted a head count when the players returned to their hotel at 3am.

It's understood the 12 players concerned then headed back out.

"They signed players in and made sure the players were back," Conway said.

Hill: "We don't think it's our responsibility to police 24-7.

"We believe the players have to take responsibility for their own actions."
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=3421

Theres only the 12 involved, not 13.
 

ibeme

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There are players across the board who need to be re-introduced to the real world.

It seems they have a distorted view of what's acceptable and what's not. Their view is shaped by idolising fans, and hords of adoring females who regularly volunteer themselves as 'objects'. The players start to think that they're irresistable, and that all girls will naturally accept their advances (regardless of how crass they might be), and that all people will happily accept their obnoxious behaviour. I'd say that most of the time it is accepted. But every now and then, someone takes offence, and the players are left bewildered. They're forced to deal with a reality they've forgotten.

I'm not excusing their behaviour. I'm just trying to understand it.
 

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sunny said:
Dane Tilse is the player who has been f***ed off.

According to 2ky hes the youngest player in the squad.

I would like to know how you can do a proper investigation of this matter in one day? Think about it. Apparantly there were a lot of witnesses and the odd victim. How do you decide who is culpable so rapidly? Some kid cops the bullet.

When it comes to accountability you have to look closely at management. Perhaps they did everything possible to avoid incidents such as this. Maybe they didn't. I find it hard to believe they have tried to cut short the controversey by a quick fix solution.

I have a feeling this matter is not going to go away as fast as the NRL and Knights want it to.
 

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dodge said:
They've been "quarantined" for "further inspection". Hopefully these willbe merged into the old thread once it's been torn apart by the mods.

"Quarantined" meaning deleted
"Further Inspection" meaning we deleted it, but we'll just pretend.
 

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Gunna Matter said:
I have a feeling this matter is not going to go away as fast as the NRL and Knights want it to.

Perhaps not, though I think the quick and decisive action has defused speculation and innuendo for now.
 

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A black day for the Knights
By Brad Walter
February 22, 2005

Newcastle rookie Dane Tilse was effectively expelled from rugby league last night following a drunken rampage by Knights players through a Bathurst university dorm.

NRL officials said they would deregister for at least 12 months the player who was sacked by Knights directors during a meeting late last night. Earlier, 12 Newcastle players, including Tilse, were fined a total of $50,000 by the club for breaching curfew and visiting Charles Sturt University dormitories after a pre-season game against Penrith.

The NRL responded by fining the Knights $100,000 and imposing a $100,000 suspended penalty. Without naming the 20-year-old rookie, they said the sacked Knights player would be banned for 12 months and officials would need "some convincing" to re-instate him after that.

Deregistration applies to all rugby league competitions worldwide.

The Knights became aware of the incident after teammates, upset by the group's behaviour, reported them to the club.

A female student alleged she had been groped by a Knights player while asleep in her dormitory at Charles Sturt University early on Sunday morning.

NRL chief executive David Gallop said the $100,000 fine would have been more severe had the Knights not acted so quickly. "Given the information we have been presented with, it would be our intention to refuse to register a contract with that [sacked] player once we receive formal notification from the Knights," Gallop said.

"Such a decision would prevent him playing for any NRL team. Certainly we would not re-register the player without a compelling reason and it is unlikely we could foresee that occurring in the next 12 months."

The fines handed to the players, which were imposed after interviews with all 22 players involved in the match against Penrith at Bathurst and a four-hour emergency board meeting, were for breach of the club's 3am curfew and the unauthorised use of a fire extinguisher and bicycle.

Those fined were Dustin Cooper, Kurt Gidley, Mark Hughes, Matt Kennedy, Todd Lowrie, Blake Mueller, Luke Quigley, Kirk Reynoldson, Reegan Tanner, Tilse, Daniel Tolar and Adam Woolnough.

Knights chief executive Ken Conway said the players not involved had wanted their teammates to be publicly named, and revealed the club initially became aware of the issue after two players fronted team management on Sunday morning.

"The chairman and myself found out about it because several players approached the football staff the morning after the event and told them there had been an incident," he said. "Once the two players concerned spoke to the senior staff that were away on the trip, the senior staff asked the players to get together and have a discussion and asked them for honesty.

"The rest of the team were fairly disgusted and the rest of the team were keen to make sure that the players concerned were named so that the players that weren't involved didn't have their names besmirched by the 12 players who broke the curfew."

Conway said he was hopeful the incident would not impact on the Knights' hopes of announcing a new major sponsor before the start of the season, but did not hide his disappointment at the behaviour of the players - particularly after previous damage to the game's image.

"I'm surprised and disgusted," he said. "Not only have the players been through an extensive education process but the players were addressed up at Bathurst. The players were part of a discussion to determine the 3am curfew and the officials on that trip assigned all of the players into the motel and made sure they were all complying with the curfew before they went to bed.

"They went to bed and the players that chose to leave did so, I believe, deliberately and admitting today that they had been part of the discussions in setting the curfew, they knew what a curfew was, they knew the intention of the curfew and they knew that they were breaking the club's rules."

All of the dozen Knights fined had been in the vicinity of Charles Sturt University, which is also conducting its own investigation after a fire extinguisher were set off by players, who also knocked on the doors of the dormitory.

"There was about seven of them when they first came and there was only two of us girls and I was, like, 'Oh God, don't let them in'," student Mel Sealey told Channel Ten.

It is alleged that two of the players had earlier been invited to visit the dormitory and left before 3am, only to return with teammates.

An unnamed student who contacted ABC radio said she had witnessed the alleged groping. "He ... went back towards the door, saw her on her bed face down, climbed on top of her, straddled her and began to touch her inappropriately," she said. "I know for a fact that she awoke at this stage, like properly came conscious, and you know, obviously told him to get off her, go away."

Charles Sturt acting deputy vice-chancellor Professor David Battersby said university investigators had spoken with the woman at the centre of the controversy but were unsure if she would be taking the matter further.

"We've provided support for that person and I'm hopeful that through our counselling processes here at the university and the support structures that we have in place that we will be able to, in due course, obtain a statement from the alleged victim," he said.

NRL boss David Gallop and Rugby League Professionals Association chief executive Tony Butterfield offered advice to the Knights on what course of action to take during their board meeting, which was also attended by Gidley and fellow player representative Clint Newton.

Gidley later read a statement of apology on behalf of the players involved. "We realise that another matter of a more serious nature is still the subject of an investigation," he said. "Irrespective of this, we'd like to stress our actions were unacceptable. We have breached our own code of conduct, the trust of the club and our supporters. We are committed ... to rebuilding that trust."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/League/A-black-day-for-the-Knights/2005/02/21/1108834732703.html
 

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One fired, 11 fined after NRL rampage
By Steve Mascord and Justin Norrie
February 22, 2005 - 7:14AM

A Newcastle Knights footballer has been banned from rugby league and 11 players fined a total of $50,000 for misconduct after a pre-season game in Bathurst.

The club's board late last night decided to dismiss Dane Tilse after discussing allegations following the game.

National Rugby League officials responded by deregistering Tilse for 12 months and saying they would need "some persuading" to readmit him to the sport at the end of that period.

The NRL fined Newcastle $100,000, plus a further $100,000 suspended penalty should there be further transgressions. The club penalised 12 players a combined $50,000 for breaking curfew and other misbehaviour.

The Newcastle chairman, Michael Hill, said two players had complained about fellow Knights leaving the team's hotel after a 3am curfew to visit dormitories at Charles Sturt University. One player is alleged to have jumped on a student as she slept in her bed and touched her inappropriately.

"The players broke the club's disciplinary code and have also been found guilty of unauthorised use of a fire extinguisher and a bicycle," Mr Hill said.

"We are disgusted at this behaviour ... [but] ... we believe the players have been honest with us and have shown contrition."

"[The other players] were disgusted. It appears those involved went to bed at the hotel and then left deliberately. They said they understood the curfew and they accepted they had deliberately broken it."

The players fined for breaking the disciplinary code are: Kurt Gidley, Dustin Cooper, Mark Hughes, Matt Kennedy, Todd Lowrie, Blake Mueller, Luke Quigley, Kirk Reynoldson, Reegan Tanner, Daniel Tolar and Adam Woolnough.

Neither Mr Hill nor the Knights' chief executive, Ken Conway, would identify who was involved in the sexual misconduct allegation or comment on the issue. They did not say whether or not the player involved was among the 12 already punished.

The NRL's deregistration of Tilse applies to all rugby league competitions as there are reciprocal agreements overseas.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/League/One-fired-11-fined-after-NRL-rampage/2005/02/21/1108834734691.html
 
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