Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

[Wb1234]

wow someone has been busy with this thread today posting his usual bs

when the nrl goes to market with an 18 team competition that beats afl by 40 percent more viewers a season it’s not going to be good for the vfl

 

[Iamback]

This conversation keeps going around in circles.

Here is the AFL deal including money for Marvel stadium from Telstra.

AFL broadcasting cash in 2023 383m and 2024 397m.

Average Broadcasting cash over the next 5 years for the AFL is 440m.

NRL broadcasting cash over next 5 years 400m+ as per many reports.

Case closed move on people.

Correct

the 3% inflation a season has the 2027 figure as $460m.

Fox paid $20m for the 12 games Dolphins created.

You are looking at a minimum of $500m cash.

Using the same increase it puts the 2032 figure at $575m.

Assuming they don't expand any more in that time

 

[Iamback]

the line in that article that ‘ nrl traditionallyFocuses on cash component of deals in its announcement‘ is blatantly untrue. The nrl has never announced a media deal as cash only amount. If they can’t get that right how much faith should we have in the rest of their article?

even with telstra and contra.
$643mill + radio
v $400mill + our digital revenue yearly avg deal is shthouse lol

they’ve said it’s an aVg $570mill cash a year. That would put tv component at around $530mill a year for tv alone At least. Can you see telstra paying more than $40mill cash for the digital management?

$530mill tv cash v $395mill tv cash (if that) yearly avg.
vlandys fcked it big style, stop being an apologist.

Again as I said last time. The ch9 component of every article the headline was cash component.

You do realise PVL doesn't just act himself? Any deal would of gone to the ARLC to approve.

Given there is a finance guy on the board why would they take an 'terrible' deal?

He'd know the market, what finances are predicted to look like etc.

 

[Iamback]

wow someone has been busy with this thread today posting his usual bs

when the nrl goes to market with an 18 team competition that beats afl by 40 percent more viewers a season it’s not going to be good for the vfl

An NRL round is worth roughly $10m

A minimum of a 25% growth in TV revenue is on the cards.

Hardly a poverty code

 

[Perth Red]

Correct

the 3% inflation a season has the 2027 figure as $460m.

Fox paid $20m for the 12 games Dolphins created.

You are looking at a minimum of $500m cash.

Using the same increase it puts the 2032 figure at $575m.

Assuming they don't expand any more in that time

here we go again with inflation lol. The NRL has locked in a $2bill deal over 5 years with an avg of $400mill a year. The actual cash payment for TV for NRl will be in the region of:

2023 $384.2
2024 $392
2025 $400
2026 $408
2027 $416.2

 

[docbrown]

Foxtels major problem is that Optus, STAN, Paramount and Bein all prove you dont need to have terrestrial services to be an effective paytv rights holder. Foxtel mattered because at one point it had millions of these - essentially was an entire channels worth of market on its own - and extensive pub and club contracts, but is shifting to a streamer focus. With Nine having extensive streaming capabilities through NOW and STAN, Ten through Tenplay and Paramount, and Seven evidently finally realising that streaming is a good thing for its AFL rights on 7plus, none of them need Fox for broadcast partnerships - but whether any of these can afford the full rights package aand production costs is something else entirely, Seven probably cant, Nine might, and Paramount kind of can, although its kind of in a weird financial place at the moment.

With so little self made content on Binge or Foxtel, and with the likes of Disney (which includes ESPN), Paramount, and Warner (HBO)/Discovery beginning to go their own ways - Hell even the BBC/ITV Britbox partnership is a thing and NBC/Universals Peacock is beginning to go international, its a matter of time before content aggregators like Foxtel, STAN and Sky find their content limited. IT was the one advantage Fox/STAN have had and only slightly protected by current content agreements.

Note that Fox will bo longer broadcast Bein channels shortly - still available on Fetch though

Also worth noting that goddamn TABCORP just won the Melbourne Cup rights - which are on the antisiphoning list - and have called for FTA bids.

Well when you consider that not every single Hollywood studio will survive this streaming consolidation period, people who think that Australian-based content aggregators with minimal original content will somehow thrive let alone survive are burying their heads in the sand a bit. Some may limp through. Most will either merge with studio streamers in a bundling format or die off. Just on Optus, take their numbers with a pinch of salt. They blend them in with their other services. At the moment they're actually cutting their local production staff numbers. As for Paramount they were late to the streaming party and they're in the content overspend phase to rapidly try to grow their subscribers. But Paramount will continue to exist either as it's own entity or as merged entity. Their back catalogue is just too big. The worst case is that they get bought similar to Disney and 20th Century and become a prestige brand for ongoing franchise like Star Trek etc and assets like Channel 10 just shift to new corporate owners.

 

[flippikat]

A curious development here in New Zealand, with Rugby Union making it's first steps towards what could be a "direct to consumer" model.

Could this be closer than we think for sports in this part of the world?

Revealed: NZR+, a new digital All Blacks platform that could spell trouble for Sky

Would you pay NZ Rugby to stream All Blacks and Black Ferns games? Come 2026, you might be able to.

thespinoff.co.nz

 

[Wb1234]

A curious development here in New Zealand, with Rugby Union making it's first steps towards what could be a "direct to consumer" model.

Could this be closer than we think for sports in this part of the world?

Revealed: NZR+, a new digital All Blacks platform that could spell trouble for Sky

Would you pay NZ Rugby to stream All Blacks and Black Ferns games? Come 2026, you might be able to.

thespinoff.co.nz

Private equity trying to get its pound of flesh

this would obviously affect the tv rights

If it’s not feasible for the nrl with an average of 710k viewers per nrl game I can’t see how it’s possible for a much smaller and poorer market in nz

 

[The Penguin #6.]

Private equity trying to get its pound of flesh

this would obviously affect the tv rights

If it’s not feasible for the nrl with an average of 710k viewers per nrl game I can’t see how it’s possible for a much smaller and poorer market in nz

Certainly having that sort of development in the background should be a great negotiating chip when it comes time to renegotiate our deal.

 

[Perth Red]

Private equity trying to get its pound of flesh

this would obviously affect the tv rights

If it’s not feasible for the nrl with an average of 710k viewers per nrl game I can’t see how it’s possible for a much smaller and poorer market in nz

Wasnt that Grant's endgame? Build our digital capability so one day we could produce and sell our own content?

Of course we all know what Pistol Pete did next!

$1b valuation of NRL digital arm shows early sale would be foolish

New ARLC chairman Peter V'landys has signalled the NRL's spending on its digital department would come under review - but an audit has found the investment is reaping phenomenal growth.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Iamback]

Private equity trying to get its pound of flesh

this would obviously affect the tv rights

If it’s not feasible for the nrl with an average of 710k viewers per nrl game I can’t see how it’s possible for a much smaller and poorer market in nz

Correct. You are looking at production costs on top of the $400m a year from TV

Again comes to how much the viewer would pay, That article itself says they still may use Sky on top of them

 

[Perth Red]

Can’t see it ever not being on fta so let’s assume we go to ten games and have 4 on fta for the $150-200mIll that 4 games and origin and kangaroo games are worth.

thats $200-250mill from subscriptions, making a presumption that streaming advertising covers the cost of 6 unique games production costs.

at an accessible $20 a subscriber your needing 1 million subscribers a year. It’d be interesting to know how many unique viewers there are for nrl games in a week. Fox would know but doubt they’d be keen to share lol

 

[Canard]

This is going to have an impact on TV rights and clubs sponsorship.

Frankly, I'm all for a total ban on advertising

Media, wagering outfits brace for ads ban ahead of gambling report

The leaders of some of the country’s biggest media, wagering and sports businesses are bracing for potential changes to advertising rules which may result in a total ban of gambling advertising.

www.theage.com.au

 

[colly]

This conversation keeps going around in circles.

Here is the AFL deal including money for Marvel stadium from Telstra.

AFL broadcasting cash in 2023 383m and 2024 397m.

Average Broadcasting cash over the next 5 years for the AFL is 440m.

NRL broadcasting cash over next 5 years 400m+ as per many reports.

Case closed move on people.

I knew we won the the Tv

This conversation keeps going around in circles.

Here is the AFL deal including money for Marvel stadium from Telstra.

AFL broadcasting cash in 2023 383m and 2024 397m.

Average Broadcasting cash over the next 5 years for the AFL is 440m.

NRL broadcasting cash over next 5 years 400m+ as per many reports.

Case closed move on people.

I knew we won the """TV cash''' deal 2022 and for the next two years, thanks to your Attachment. It's plain to see that without Telstra ( which is only correct, as the 'thread is called NEXT TV deal 2028 ) the NRL won the FTA and PTV/STV cash amount. Thats all to be said
So Mr red is wrong their. As the deals line up now, the NRL is in front. Next deal negotiations can start Mid year 2024, and what a whopper the NRL will get.

 

[Perth Red]

I knew we won the the Tv

I knew we won the """TV cash''' deal 2022 and for the next two years, thanks to your Attachment. It's plain to see that without Telstra ( which is only correct, as the 'thread is called NEXT TV deal 2028 ) the NRL won the FTA and PTV/STV cash amount. Thats all to be said
So Mr red is wrong their. As the deals line up now, the NRL is in front. Next deal negotiations can start Mid year 2024, and what a whopper the NRL will get.

Haha if it helps you sleep better. Meanwhile back in the real world in 2023 we don’t know if nrls $384mill is inc contra or how much of afls $473mill is contra and telstra.


nrl media revenue IF cash is $400mill.avg
2023 $384.2
2024 $392
2025 $400
2026 $408
2027 $416.2

 

[colly]

Haha if it helps you sleep better. Meanwhile back in the real world in 2023 we don’t know if nrls $384mill is inc contra or how much of afls $473mill is contra and telstra.


nrl media revenue IF cash is $400mill.avg
2023 $384.2
2024 $392
2025 $400
2026 $408
2027 $416.2

So like you to have fake facts, spinning always towards the AFL. Admit it we won the TV cash deal as set out by attachment provided by Blue and Gold (thanx again B&G) ( 2022, 2023, 2024 winners NRL tv deal )

 

[Perth Red]

So like you to have fake facts, spinning always towards the AFL. Admit it we won the TV cash deal as set out by attachment provided by Blue and Gold (thanx again B&G) ( 2022, 2023, 2024 winners NRL tv deal )

If it makes you sleep better lol. Meanwhile in the real world…..

by all means please do tell me how my figures are incorrect.

Nrl announced a $400mill avg inc radio rights with no details of cash or cash and contra.
We know the way tv revenue is paid now means there’s around a 2% cash difference each year over the course of the deal duration.
We don’t know how much of the afls $473mill this year is cash or how much is telstra.

But please do have a go and tell me again how I’ve got any of that wrong.

So whatwe do know is that at very best nrl is getting $384mill - around $5mill of tv rights value in 2023.
so let’s say at best $379mill cash.

Maybe afls $473mill includes so much contra (historically it’s been $16mill last few years) and telstra value that seven and fox are paying less than $379mill cash? Maybe lol

 

[Pneuma]

If it makes you sleep better lol. Meanwhile in the real world…..

by all means please do tell me how my figures are incorrect.

Nrl announced a $400mill avg inc radio rights with no details of cash or cash and contra.
We know the way tv revenue is paid now means there’s around a 2% cash difference each year over the course of the deal duration.
We don’t know how much of the afls $473mill this year is cash or how much is telstra.

But please do have a go and tell me again how I’ve got any of that wrong.

So whatwe do know is that at very best nrl is getting $384mill - around $5mill of tv rights value in 2023.
so let’s say at best $379mill cash.

Maybe afls $473mill includes so much contra (historically it’s been $16mill last few years) and telstra value that seven and fox are paying less than $379mill cash? Maybe lol

Boring old turd

 

[Vibing]

Boring old turd

enough pointing out his better qualities .....

 

[Iamback]

This is going to have an impact on TV rights and clubs sponsorship.

Frankly, I'm all for a total ban on advertising

Media, wagering outfits brace for ads ban ahead of gambling report

The leaders of some of the country’s biggest media, wagering and sports businesses are bracing for potential changes to advertising rules which may result in a total ban of gambling advertising.

www.theage.com.au

For me I don't see if having any chance to betting habits, For the actual punter there is no change.

Really is only hurting TV and the clubs.

I'd be fine with it if it was as part of some other policy, For example can only have an active account with 1 agency. Without that it makes sense