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Next year.......

The Colonel

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Next year - a Parramatta supporter’s favourite saying since 1986 - is at great debate at the present moment. There are plenty of questions that need to be asked about the coming year and exactly how they will be answered will only be known in time. However, we can draw conclusions to some or many of these questions based on what we already know.

Can Brian Smith take the team to that next level after failing so many times in the past?

There are doubts over Smith’s abilities to take the Eels to the top. Having been close on so many occasions previously the question is warranted and needs to be answered and soon. Smith has chosen teams in the past that rely on talented players and hard workers mixed with rejects from other clubs. Simply put Brian Smith creates champion teams. Unusually Smith has never coached a team that possesses an out and out superstar the likes of Andrew Johns, Allan Langer, Brad Fittler and Laurie Daley. It has ultimately been the undoing of him – Andrew Johns in 2001 and Allan Langer in 1992 and 1993 lead their teams to Grand Final victory over the top of, on paper at least, the better team. Parramatta were undoubtedly the champion team of 2001 looking at the games won, tries scored and conceded and so on. However on the day the Eels fell at the final hurdle. With the emergence of Witt, the signing of Thorman and the likes of Cayless, Hindmarsh and Lyon by his side he may have players that can finally topple this wall he meets each time he makes a grand final.

The biggest question facing Brian Smith at the moment is whether he has been to long at the helm of the Eels. The team has looked stale over the past few years and seem to be at least one year behind the rest of the top four teams who are using bigger forwards and trying to dominate around the rucks. Smith has been relying on the mobile and more skillful forwards to make the room with quick play the balls. He has apparently seen the error of his ways and is trying to catch up with the addition of big and ugly forwards while still trying to retain the skilled players. He now seems to have the team he wants and believes can go the next step.

However, another poor performance next year could see a new coach in 2005. There should be no more excuses from the club or the coach as to why we missed out again.

Has the club signed the right players?

A lot of people have questioned the signing of veteran forward Corey Pearson, inexperienced prop Aaron Cannings, Shane Muspratt, Chris Muckert, Craig Stapleton, Wade McKinnon, Eric Grothe Jr, English import Chris Thorman, Wise Kativerata and in particular Fui Fui Moi Moi. The players that are leaving the club – Daniel Heckenberg, Alex Chan and Shayne Dunley – have all been proven and honest performers. The form of both Dunley and Heckenberg this year has seen them as two of the more consistent performers in a poor season. Why then is the club not resigning them? As their worth has improved on an open market it seems the club has seen better value in signing fringe players from other clubs to bolster the playing ranks. With players probably looking to upgrade or re-sign in the not to distant future it is probably a wise move to sign some players that may not impact as heavily on the salary cap as Heckenberg and Dunley may well have.

The signings of Cannings, Thorman and Eric Grothe are particularly exciting. Thorman is probably the best signing of all and could lead to the foundation of a scrum base partnership that could rival the likes of Daley and Stuart, Walters and Langer and even probably the greatest in Kenny and Sterling. It also adds competition to the five-eight position that has not been seen at the club for some time. Adam Dykes has shown some great form towards the end of the 2003 season that could well place him in the starting job next year. However, having to look over his shoulder at Thorman will hopefully excel him to the bigger and better things that were expected when he first joined.

Eric Grothe Jr in full flight. Just think back to that first try against Wests on his debut, the cracking tries against the Panthers later in the season. If he can return to anywhere near that form and have the right sort commitment the fans will be standing in their seats many games next year the same way his father did. He wants to work hard and his return seems to point to the fact he isn’t concerned about living in his fathers shadow.

Cannings is a player of the future. Big, strong and athletic he can steamroll oppositions with his big frame. Against a tiring defence he will be particularly hard to handle. His fitness needs to improve for a starting role but once it does he will be another exciting player to watch.

Stapleton, Muckert and Muspratt have all had consistent years at their respective clubs. They will add depth and should push for a first grade position. They will hopefully also add some much needed competition and enthusiasm.


Is Michael Witt the answer at number seven?

Anyone who saw this kid slot the kick from the sideline against the Cowboys will be excited about the prospects of a full year in the number seven jersey for this kid. With so many halfbacks come and gone between him and Peter Sterling, arguably the greatest halfback of his era, he has the poise and maturity to be the next long term halfback at the Eels.

The highlight in this writer’s opinion was however when he stood toe to toe with Penrith prop Martin Lang showing he won’t take a backward step to anyone.


Is the current squad good enough?

Hindmarsh, Cayless, Morris, Witt, Vaealiki, Burt, Dykes, Hopkins and Wagon should compose the core of the first grade squad next year. The wing positions and bench spots will be the most contested. With added competition for first grade positions the remaining spots will be fiercely contested.

The lock position will be the most keenly fought position. Wagon has had a mortgage on the spot for some time. With the addition of Muckert, Muspratt and the rise of Ryan Hinchcliffe It would not be surprising to see an entirely different makeup to the back row. Wagon’s ability to play a number of positions could see him a prime candidate for a bench position and the likes of Muspratt, Hinchcliffe or even Hopkins used in the thirteen jumper.

With Hindmarsh an institution in the number eleven jersey his partner could also be a surprise with hints that the captain Nathan Cayless could be moved there to accommodate a front row rotation of Tsoulos, Vella, Pearson, Peek, Stapleton and Cannings. The back row has so much depth with Hindmarsh, Hopkins, Wagon, Widders and Armit joined by Muckert, Muspratt and juniors McMillan and Hinchcliffe.

The backline could also be different with the return from injury of Luke Burt and the addition Chris Thorman, Eric Grothe, Wade McKinnon, Wise Kativerata and Ronald Prince. With Jamie Lyon and David Vaealiki already firmly entrenched in the centres and Michael Witt taking out a mortgage on the number seven jumper the competition will be fierce for the fullback, wing and five-eight positions. Graham and Burt should contest the role of custodian and whoever misses out at number one should find a position on the flank in the number two jersey. Matt Petersen should have first crack at the other wing but could face stiff competition from Grothe, Kativerata and talented newcomer John Williams.

Whoever misses out at number six between Dykes and Thorman should still be in the seventeen-man squad each week to add some impact off the bench.

The emergence of Michael Witt and the addition of Thorman and a fit Dykes coupled with the rise and rise of Jamie Lyon and Nathan Hindmarsh all brought together under the captaincy of Nathan Cayless point towards a 2004 revival by the Eels. Barring injury the top four should be given a real shake. However the team and Brian Smith must overcome the tendency of falling at the final hurdle. If they can do that the team could once again return to the good old days where Parramatta stood tall at the top.
 

theicemandanno

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I got a chilling feeling when I heard Smith a few months back admit that he needed to change the style and personnel of our side. Next year is most definitely going to be a test of Smith's coaching abilities as we await to see if he has indeed realised what it takes to win the premiership nowadays.

I think you guys were right in indicating wags could be a versatile bench player and that K-Lo might move to the 2nd row.

With that in mind I expect a different forward pack for our side.

Here is my take on its makeup

8. Cannings
9. Morris
10. Vella
11. Cayless (c)
12. Muckert
13. Hindmarsh

I have predicted this side on the basis that Smith will look to employ a power-based game. Our pack in this formation posses size and strength. Caylo will also be used in the forwards during times whenever Vella or Cannings were off the field. Muckert is a great signing, and i feel he will slot in nicely into the 2nd row. Hopkins will be a fantastic impact player off the bench, as will Thorman. Wags will be versatile.

Here is the full side I expect will run out in 04:

1. Burt
2. Grothe Jnr
3. Lyon
4. Vaeliki
5. Petersen
6. Dykes
7. Witt
8. Cannings
9. Morris
10. Vella
11. Cayless (c)
12. Muckert
13. Hindmarsh

Bench:
14. Thorman
15. Hopkins
16. Wagon
17. Armit
 

Eelectrica

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Their is plenty of reason to be optimistic about our chances for next year. If our forward pack can remain relatively intact throughout the year we should have a great season.
 

EELS13

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Definitely a great post Colonel Eel.
Can anyone name me a team that wouldn't give anything to have forward depth like that. We could nearly put 3 competitive packs on the the park at any given time.
 

Misty Bee

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Nice to see you asking the same questions of Smith that I and a few other shave been for a while.

Can Brian Smith take the team to that next level after failing so many times in the past?

In a word, Yes. However, what are the odds? I'm not looking a premiership whan I say this, but top 4. This is the benchmark for serious sides in the NRL. Smith is under the acid, despite a few fans willing to lay down their life to secure his services for more years.

Interesting that you say that another year of failure should see him possibly shown the door. After 2 years of failure already, why is there such rediculous opposition to take that action now?

Has the club signed the right players?

I think many fans are putting way toomuch faith on the signatured of Chris Thorman and Aaron Cannings. Despite their potential, both are very green to toplevel football. I look more to Muckert and Muspratt as where we willimprove next year. Both players have about 30-50 games 1st grade experience - right at the beginning of their peak. What they bring to the backrow/scrumbase will be not only experience, and size, but depth. Our backrow stocks,led by the brilliant Nathan Hindmarsh, ar4e impressive.

Up front, a big achilles heel, has been strengthened by Corey Pearson, an experienced campaigner, and a sensible player. Pearson will be an excellent foil to Vella and Cayless. However, Cannings aside, I still have a question over our size. Big packs (Brisbane excepted) have been all over us in recent years. This needs to be addressed before we can hope for a shot at the top end of the table.

Is Michael Witt the answer at number seven?

We have excellent junior development continuing, with Mick Witt emerging as the best halfback potential in decades. Smith's record with halves is not good, but with Witt, there seems to be growing evidence that Parra's biggest achillees heel of the Smith era may be solved, especially with Dykes wonderful form in the dying stages of 2003.

Is the current squad good enough?

Any club that can boast Hindmarsh, Lyon, Cayless and Burt has an excellent foundation to work in. Lee Hopkins and John Morrris have proven to be excellent buys in 2003. However, 2004 will again see a raft of new faces replacing old. The back 3 seem to be thin, with players of the calibre of Brett Hodgeson, Jason Moodie, Willie Tonga et al not being directly replaced. Much is alerady expected of Ash Graham in the important fullback role. Ron Prince's resigning is a huge boost, as is Eric Grothe's. However, Groth, seen as the replacement to Moodie, has barely played for 2 and a half seasons. Injueirs in the backline,especuially to Jamie Lyon, will really test our resources.
 
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Misty Bee said:
Much is alerady expected of Adam Mogg in the important fullback role.

lay off the drugs, misty

and u rate Burt? not many people seem to, but I thought he would have honestly gone close to the Kangaroo squad this year if he had have kept injury free and maintained the form he showed int eh first 3 games
 

eloquentEEL

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Misty Bee said:
What the friggin hell is wrong with that, Klinger?

um... Misty, I think HJ is referring to the fact that Adam Mogg left us last year and unless you've heard something the rest of us haven't, I don't think we'll be relying on him at fullback next year.

PS. It's interesting that you single out Hindy, Caylo, Lyon and Burt as our excellent foundation. Then you have blamed the club's poor performance since mid-2002 on Smith. Haven't each of these 4 "excellent foundation" players been missing through long injuries during the same period?
 
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eels2win said:
um... Misty, I think HJ is referring to the fact that Adam Mogg left us last year and unless you've heard something the rest of us haven't, I don't think we'll be relying on him at fullback next year.

Maybe Misty is a Cenberra fan now :D
 

The Colonel

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I agree with you Misty regarding the make up of our pack - Pearson will add stability to our pack that has been lacking for some time. I am interested to note that many people, myself included, have picked Vella in their top seventeen as well. Having thought about it I believe there will be a significantly different makeup to the forwards in the starting side. Vella's form has been of constant debate - fluctuating between great and did he play. For mine a few weeks in PL at the start of the season will either re-ignite what was expected to be a stellar career or extinguish it all together. Unfortunately it is time to be harsh and changes have to be made otherwise oppurtunities are likely to pass us by. With that in mind we currently have two players in Chris Armit and Justin Tsoulos who should be given every oppurtunity to stake themselves as first grade material.

The other contentious position is fullback and wing. Ashley Graham and Luke Burt would be the most ideal players to have in these positions and Graham would just pip Burt for the number one job. My reason - Burt's and Petersen's ability out of dummy half - they are quick and elusive and the side would benefit more with a stability at the back. Graham can also hit a gap very well and works well as a link man having played much of his junior career as a centre.

My team for next year would be -

Graham
Burt
Lyon
Vaealiki
Petersen
Dykes
Witt
Pearson
Morris
Tsoulos
Hindmarsh
Cayless
Muspratt

Bench:
Muckert
Cannings/Armit
Hopkins
Wagon/Thorman
 

EELS13

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I just hope for one thing. And that is a team picked totally because of form. I dont want to see players picked on reputation, or past glories. We need our number 1 team picked each and every week. If a player is out of form, send him to reggies to discover it. We dont want to have to carry 2 or 3 players wait for them to ignite a bit form. We have the depth and we have to use it. Not only to cover inevitable injuries, but also to make sure that each player puts in every week, in the knowledge that a drop in form, or comittment could see them lose there place to someone hungary to make an impression in 1st grade. A bit of healthy competition in the ranks can only be good for the team as a whole. Picking a team this early is near on impossible, but i am pretty certain that Brian Smith will have some long nights of no sleep trying to pick a top 17 each week. There are only going to be a handful of certainties each week.
 

The Colonel

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Interesting that you say that another year of failure should see him possibly shown the door. After 2 years of failure already, why is there such rediculous opposition to take that action now?

There is an opposition now because the CLUB HAS NOT taken this course of action. The board, and in particular Alan Overton, have stood behind Smith for next year at least - whatever opposition you or anyone else have at this stage to Smith remaining at the club probably will not sway the board unless there isn't a dramatic increase in the performance of the team. Smith will be under immense pressure next year but until THE CLUB takes that direction most people will stand behind him as he is in charge.



I think many fans are putting way too much faith on the signatured of Chris Thorman and Aaron Cannings. Despite their potential, both are very green to toplevel football. I look more to Muckert and Muspratt as where we will improve next year.

Muckert and Muspratt will improve next year as they have towards the end of this year however the two players who have the potential to improve the most under a different regime around class players like Dykes, Hindmarsh, Cayless and Lyon are Cannings and Thorman. The potential of these two players based on what I have seen is incredible. Peo[ple are excited as they can see the positives. I have no doubt that Muckert and Muspratt will make an impression however not as big as what Cannings and Thorman can potentially do.

Pearson will be an excellent foil to Vella and Cayless. However, Cannings aside, I still have a question over our size.

In all honesty I have had an averse reaction to Vella in the starting side. His form of late has not been impressive and I believe a stint in reggies would be the ideal tonic. He has fallen away from a player who can play consistently for Australia, NSW and the Eels to someone who may struggle unless he responds to the competition that has arrived at the club. In my opinion we will be on an equal footing with many clubs playing the likes of Tsoulos, Pearson, Cannings and Armit in the front row and Cayless, Muckert, Hindmarsh and Muspratt. If Vella can compete in this mix we will have a pack that can match it with most. I know that Vella can be one of better props running around in the competition and really I would love to see it however it looks like he is being passed over.

I know that many of you will be critical of this move however the team does need major restructuring - Wagon, Vella and Widders need to prove themselves ahead of these new players maybe not the other way around. It also sends a message that the team is not picked on reputation.
 

Eelectrica

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I hope that Vellas' non-selection in the Australian train on squad shocks him into action this offseason. Last year he made the Origin so was possibily under the false assumption he was playing brilliantly.
 
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