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Still need an answer to provide affordable base load renewable power, personally don't care how it is done, but the manic response from Bandt and people such as yourself still can't answer how we can achieve that goal.

There are numerous people that find the current expense of power utilities frightening, as a self funded retiree it is such a major imposte that it impacts on everything else. Those on 6 figure incomes shrug it off, but where is the cheaper cost effective solution. Germany's power prices have doubled and that iswhy they are looking at HELE. At the end of the day until the SJWs can source some currently unattainable power source, this great country will sacrifice itself as the majority of the world watches on.
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Do you have solar? I imagine once batteries which every 3 or 4 yr half in size and price there is the answer.
As for now best bet is making home as energy efficient as can.
That means no heaters,dryers,dishwashers...... LED lights,TVs. Newer fridges. Dont fill kettle to the top when boil.etc
 
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hindy111 said:
Do you have solar? I imagine once batteries which every 3 or 4 yr half in size and price there is the answer.
As for now best bet is making home as energy efficient as can.
That means no heaters,dryers,dishwashers...... LED lights,TVs. Newer fridges. Dont fill kettle to the top when boil.etc
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Haha! Australia, eh?This is gold!
 
hindy111

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Humans are like a vicous plague. We just want to f**k and multiply whilst surviving for aslong as we can. And we spread and destroy everything on the way with little thought. Are we a virus?

It is a great question.

As far as alternate energy solar may not be the sole answer but I reckon it could quite easy do 50%. To me thats quite good.But we need high quality battery and solar panels that dont need to be replaced every 10yrs and end up as more waste.
Bigger issue is consumerism. Manufacturers build thing to last 10yrs max so we have to purchase again . Along with the garbage China sells for $10 or less on ebay that people buy to kill the boredom of their life. All this ends up as waste. And thats not looking at what pollution was used to make it.
How many people buy a new bigger TV or couch every 5-10yrs? I know people who buy new kettles and toasters for sake of it.
I've had the same old shit for 15yrs. Except TV :grin:
 
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hindy111 said:
What is so funny? I was serious.
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The rest of the world chews up way more that we do yet you are suggesting we need to watch how much water goes in a jug for boiling? I don't think anybody in OZ is purposely wasteful when it comes to energy consumption, but to suggest we need to adopt measures bordering on those of third world standards is quite laughable.
 
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hindy111 said:
Humans are like a vicous plague. We just want to f**k and multiply whilst surviving for aslong as we can. And we spread and destroy everything on the way with little thought. Are we a virus?

It is a great question.

As far as alternate energy solar may not be the sole answer but I reckon it could quite easy do 50%. To me thats quite good.But we need high quality battery and solar panels that dont need to be replaced every 10yrs and end up as more waste.
Bigger issue is consumerism. Manufacturers build thing to last 10yrs max so we have to purchase again . Along with the garbage China sells for $10 or less on ebay that people buy to kill the boredom of their life. All this ends up as waste. And thats not looking at what pollution was used to make it.
How many people buy a new bigger TV or couch every 5-10yrs? I know people who buy new kettles and toasters for sake of it.
I've had the same old shit for 15yrs. Except TV :grin:
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No it's not a great question.

A virus is a microorganism that exists without actually being truly alive... Actually f**k, that's too close to home...
 
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The problem we have with the cost of energy is not the source of the energy , but rather the way the national energy market works.

Vested interests will pass off all kinds of shit as gospel but for the most part it's a crock of shit.

And all this boils down to a lack of cohesive policies for years, and this whole idea of building more coal fired generators is a sham, because it will not drag down prices one little f**king bit. I'd hazard a guess that most of our politicians don't even understand why this is.

It's all fairly f**king complicated, and you need to read a lot very boring shit to understand how and why our market works, but here's the simplified version of how our market works

Firstly, our generation in order of cost is ( cheapest to dearest )

Wind
Solar
Coal
Gas
Nuclear ( if we had it )

I don't know where hydro fits but whatevs

The above is fact,if anyone doesn't believe it, go and do some f**king research

So, that being the case, why the f**k does the cost of energy keep going up despite the fact that the cheapest sources of power ( solar and wind ) are increasing as a percentage of our generation mix?

It doesn't make sense , until you look at the market.

We need base load generation, and wind and solar don't provide this as yet, so we have coal, and we have gas. But the problem is that when wind and solar are generating , they displace the need for coal and gas, and hence push the price up for the power these generate, this is because building these sources of power is f**king expensive and they have a limited life, so in order to gain the best value from them they must generate at capacity, however when cheaper power is available, they can't sell their capacity, so what they do generate is more expensive.

Coal needs to be running pretty much to a pre determined schedule, because you cant just switch it on, so whilst it's full capacity might be needed at times, it's actually rarely utilised, but in order to have it at the ready, means greater waste. That's where gas comes in, it's dispatch-able, it can be wound up quickly to supply peak, and wound down when not needed, which sounds great in theory, but when you've invested hundreds of millions of dollars into a plant, that now isn't being utilised a great deal of the time, it aint making you any money, and surprisingly enough, capital expects a return.

So that's where the market intervenes, when we need gas to supply the peaks, because it's running part time it bids into the market at a higher price, and that then sets the price the retailers pay, for the power we use.

This is because without that mechanism, these generators would not exist, and the grid would then effectively have to shed load ( cut your power ) or the whole thing crashes.

So whilst renewables are the cheapest form of generation, their mere existence pushes the price of other forms of generation up, which we need to have at the moment when the sun doesn't shine and the wind don't blow.

And more coal won't make this cheaper because it will only push up the price of gas ( because there will be less need for it ) but gas will still set the price when it is needed, and that price will be higher because it;s capacity will be less utilised.

Anyways, that's my take on a subject that's been effectively hijacked by the climate wars, and for which the level of public discourse is shockingly dishonest and misinformed.
 
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Eelogical said:
The rest of the world chews up way more that we do yet you are suggesting we need to watch how much water goes in a jug for boiling? I don't think anybody in OZ is purposely wasteful when it comes to energy consumption, but to suggest we need to adopt measures bordering on those of third world standards is quite laughable.
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I'm with him about the kettle thing. I even pour water out of it if there's more than I need. It just makes sense.
 
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Eelogical said:
The rest of the world chews up way more that we do yet you are suggesting we need to watch how much water goes in a jug for boiling? I don't think anybody in OZ is purposely wasteful when it comes to energy consumption, but to suggest we need to adopt measures bordering on those of third world standards is quite laughable.
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l wear a jumper and beanie in winter to avoid heater. I only fill kettle 1/3rd. Never leave lights on.
I see people leaving ac on just so its cool when get home. And walk out of house with tv and lights left on.
I am giving a few tips on saving power and money. A lot of people have no idea what things cost to run. I see people with a 2nd fridge just to keep half a dozen bittle of water cool ffs.
 
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