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millersnose

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Apparently their principals are.not on vacation and are doing their damnedest to protect their players and clubs

Meanwhile the sharks decide the best course of action is panic and blaming staff and players thus tacitly admitting guilt after the genius move of bringing in useless asada staffers who are in the spotlight politically because they are Incompetanct as evidenced by their complete lack of ability to get convictions
 
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If Essendon get away scott free the whole thing is a farce. I had heard the AFL had done a draw for this year without Essendon playing. They say the AFL is connected but I think it borders on corruption. They are soft on drug users and if anything ASADA should make an example of them.
 

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Apparently their principals are.not on vacation and are doing their damnedest to protect their players and clubs

Meanwhile the sharks decide the best course of action is panic and blaming staff and players thus tacitly admitting guilt after the genius move of bringing in useless asada staffers who are in the spotlight politically because they are Incompetanct as evidenced by their complete lack of ability to get convictions

This.

The driving force yesterday was outsiders brought in whose only perspective is ASADA's. Was the consultant acting in the best interests of the Sharks or pushing for a politically expedient outcome. The position at the press conference was an admission of guilt. Meanwhile the AFL do their deals behind closed doors and nothing happens. Compare Essendon to the Sharks and ask why the difference in scrutiny and severity of sanctions. As usual Cronulla finds a way to be the only person with a knife in a shootout.

The outcome is so predictable it would be laughable if it wasn't so bloody sad. Sharks board panics over threats of legal action and implodes. Players and fans suffer and decent people lose their jobs.
 

Big man

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What is interesting is these Salem witch hunt trials that these commissions of inquiry or toothless agencies seem to get away with and without hard evidence. It will be revealed that these so called corruption watch dogs are politically motivated and are not interested in the truth or whether any wrong doing was done by any player or official, they are more interested in the publicity and therefore relevance that this media circus gives their organisations and guarantees them future funding from their paymasters being the government of the day. It is interesting that no player has been interviewed or individually accused of wrong doing, it's a machine gun approach, spray in the general direction and see who lives or dies, there is no natural justice or fairness in process with these witch hunts and all these agencies seem to be clambering for publicity and self importance this year, look at the recent ICAC circus that went on, they promised the world but delivered a street map, it's disgraceful and this country must do away with these self serving agencies who are not interested in the truth or justice. Shame on you all for what you are doing to good hard working Australians and their families, the Sharks players should go these bastards and dig in, don't give an inch boys, they have nothing, It's a bluff.
 
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Whilst it isn't palatable.. How do you know that they don't know the truth? Whether you like it or not offering indemnity or reduced sanctions to those who are lesser involved in order to inculpate the main figure is a legitimate investigation tactic. It hurts because it's the team we love.. But what will you say if there is evidence of known deliberate doping amongst our players? What would you say to your kids?
What is interesting is these Salem witch hunt trials that these commissions of inquiry or toothless agencies seem to get away with and without hard evidence. It will be revealed that these so called corruption watch dogs are politically motivated and are not interested in the truth or whether any wrong doing was done by any player or official, they are more interested in the publicity and therefore relevance that this media circus gives their organisations and guarantees them future funding from their paymasters being the government of the day. Isn't interesting that no player has been interviewed or individually accused of wrong doing, it's a machine gun approach, spray in the general direction and see who lives or dies, there is no natural justice or fairness in process with these witch hunts and all these agencies seem to be clambering for publicity and self importance this year, look at the recent ICAC circus that went on, they promised the world but delivered a street map, it's disgraceful and this country must do away with these self serving agencies who are not interested in the truth or justice. Shame on you all for what you are doing to good hard working Australians and their families, the Sharks players should go these bastards and dig in don't give an inch boys, they have nothing, It's a bluff.
 

Big man

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Whilst it isn't palatable.. How do you know that they don't know the truth? Whether you like it or not offering indemnity or reduced sanctions to those who are lesser involved in order to inculpate the main figure is a legitimate investigation tactic. It hurts because it's the team we love.. But what will you say if there is evidence of known deliberate doping amongst our players? What would you say to your kids?

In this country Australia, you are presumed innocent until you are proven guilty and in a fair judicial process you are given every right to be able to defend yourself against a charge, and consequently, they have to tell you what your being charged with and tell you what evidence they have on you. This circus is nothing of the sought, they are saying your everyone is guilty of who knows what, they are offering deals on reduced penalties but haven't explained to the accused what they are guilty of or what evidence they have on them, it's a case of you are guilty because we say so and give yourself up, or we will ruin your name and business if you don't. Bloody disgraceful.
 

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Greggos point I believe is with asada there is no presumption of innocence

Asada make the decisions And only need a scant amount of evidence
 
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That's not what you said though..

You said they are not interested in the truth.

I'm as upset as the next sharks fan, but we need to face the possibility that there may be fire under all that smoke.
 

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I think it's now beyond all doubt that technically some players may have breached the guidelines and may cop suspensions

That does not excuse the utter collapse of the defense of the interests of the club and the tacit admissions of guilt on behalf of players who have already rejected the six month bans and will take their chances
 

Big man

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Greggos point I believe is with asada there is no presumption of innocence

Asada make the decisions And only need a scant amount of evidence

Accepted, but that doesn't mean it's right, they can do and say what they like in their little kangaroo court but thankfully we have a fair justice system in this great country and any findings or recommendations that result in suspensions can and will be defended in our courts where real rules of evidence apply and natural justice is held in high regard.
 
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Accepted, but that doesn't mean it's right, they can do and say what they like in their little kangaroo court but thankfully we have a fair justice system in this great country and any findings or recommendations that result in suspensions can and will be defended in our courts where real rules of evidence apply and natural justice is held in high regard.

You don't get into court much, right?

No offence mate. Not having a shot it's just a lot of people are inferring a great deal from not a lot at the moment, which I can appreciate. But if there are things in place, real investigative strategies unfolding at the moment, then stamping your feet and yelling for due process isn't going to make the acc or asada for that matter open their books. Not yet.
 

millersnose

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If you are looking for the courts to reverse an asada ban you are going to be disappointed

In anycase So a few players may cop a couple of years

It's not that big a deal
 

Big man

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You don't get into court much, right?

No offence mate. Not having a shot it's just a lot of people are inferring a great deal from not a lot at the moment, which I can appreciate. But if there are things in place, real investigative strategies unfolding at the moment, then stamping your feet and yelling for due process isn't going to make the acc or asada for that matter open their books. Not yet.

ASADA can say and do what they want but if they don't have hard evidence of a breach being committed than they cannot ban anyone and if they do which they won't, it can and will be challenged, mate you people think that these agencies are untouchable lol, we live in Australia not China.
 

Big man

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Hope is a good thing

Good luck with that

The club had already tacitly admitted guilt

The club and directors are worried about cross claims and fiduciary roles, they had no choice but to protect their rights, they have been spooked, once you get lawyers involved then these reactions are inevitable. I'm not saying something wasn't done by a few players but to drag the whole club, it's members and whole playing group through this frenzy is wrong. They should act on their evidence and grab those responsible without delay, but this dragnet strategy and this media circus they have created is totally immoral and unjust and highly defamatory to all.
 

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