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NRL players need to think more on the field

Chook Norris

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(..and off the field, arguably)

Why I want rugby league players to think more - not less
Phil Gould

Has thinking gone out of the game of rugby league?
Are our players now so robotic, are their individual roles so simple and pre-determined, that the need or responsibility for thinking has been been pretty much taken away from them?
I hope not, but the more you think about it, perhaps that's exactly what the modern-day game has become. A gathering of fit, strong, athletic bodies simply carrying out their allotted roles like cogs in a well-oiled machine.

You listen to players these days being interviewed by the media pre-game, during games and post-games. Once you've heard one of them talk, you've pretty much heard them all.
Interviewer: "What's the plan today?"
Player: "Run hard, tackle hard. Complete our sets. Know your role. Control the ruck."


I really don't know why we interview them any more. It's the same stuff, the same comments, repeated ad nauseam. Interviewing these out-of-breath players as they head towards the dressing rooms at half-time has now become painfully boring. Wake me up when you hear one of them say something truly different or interesting.
Actually, I'm probably being a bit harsh there. Maybe that's all they are allowed to say. Maybe they have even been coached about how much they reveal during such interviews.
Anyway, I now think such interviews are a complete waste of time. It's just the same things over and over again.
Don't get me wrong. I admire the modern-day player greatly. They are big, strong, committed young men who train their bodies to ridiculous levels I've never seen before in our game. They are dedicated, disciplined and elite athletes. They set new physical benchmarks every day.
I love listening to our younger commentators at Channel Nine as they talk about the game. Champion former players like Andrew Johns, Brad Fittler and Darren Lockyer. They all give such wonderful insights and explanations of the football we see before us.
A couple of things I heard them say over recent nights though have really got me thinking.
First, it was interesting to listen to Brad Fittler on Thursday night as he commented about the two Manly halves Api Koroisau and Dylan Walker trying to find a way through the South Sydney defensive line to produce the winning score.
Brad was making the point that the two playmakers were guilty of trying too hard and they would be far more effective if they stopped thinking so much. He suggested they would be far better off if they actually stopped thinking and just played.
It was a unique insight from one of the game's greatest players and playmakers. Don't think too much. Just play.
To be honest, though, I personally found his advice a little confusing.
You see, I coached Brad Fittler for a fair portion of his career. During all those years I actually spent most of my time trying to teach players how to think. How to have the right thoughts at the right time. How to control their thinking. How to quickly move from what they were thinking, to what they should be thinking, at that particular time.
I referred to it as attitude control. The ability to control your attitude by controlling your thinking.
I also wanted our players to be students of the game. To watch football, study it, assess it, question things that happened on the field and work out why it happened the way it did. Could that be used to our advantage sometime in the future? Can we recreate that situation so it works for us?
I often tell young coaches that the greatest gift a coach can give his player is the ability to think. His performance will be better and more consistent in high-pressure situations when he knows how to think the right things, at the right time.
I actually rated Brad as one of the game's best thinkers I had ever seen. A career that spanned 16 years and 426 first class games cannot be achieved unless you are sound of body and mind. You have to be fit, strong, resilient and tough; but above all else you have to be knowledgeable. You have to be smart.
Brad was all of these things and more. I had always thought that great players and great playmakers had to be great thinkers.
Soldiers just do what they are told, without question. It's the generals who scheme, lead and implement plans. They are constantly aware of their surroundings, analysing, assessing and flexible to change at a moment's notice.
Now, here was one of the greatest footballing "generals" of all time, telling two current generals to think less and play more.
As I drove home from Thursday night's match at Brookvale Oval, Brad's words were swirling around in my head.
In essence he is right. The coaching of rugby league at all levels these days has been advanced to the point where most of the "thinking" has been taken out of the game.
Players today play on muscle memory. Everything is choreographed and rehearsed over and over again to the point where the bodies just act and react without a lot of "thought" having to be put into their actions.
The second comment that piqued my interest came from the great Andrew Johns. He was explaining what made young Bronco five-eighth Anthony Milford so dangerous.
In words to this effect, Johns said Milford was so effective because he is one of the few playmakers in the game today who actually watch the defensive line and react instinctively to their movements.
He went on to say that, in his opinion, the problem with a lot of today's young playmakers is they don't actually look at the defensive line. They are too preoccupied with watching their teammates and performing planned manoeuvres.
Could that be true? Are we producing robot-style playmakers today who don't look at defensive lines when executing plays?
Actually, that explains a lot.
Go out and watch junior teams play in the park these days.
As young as nine years of age, players are taught to play in lanes and are being locked into a position exclusively on the left side or right side of the field.
The words "structure" and "shape" are being drilled into kids from a ridiculously young age.
Advance now to the kids in their mid-to-latter teens playing in junior representative teams, we see that "structure" and "shape" are now so firmly embedded in their psyche, that all the teams look the same, act the same and play the plays.
In essence all junior teams are being coached like they are NRL teams. They all copy NRL structures.
We now have a game where all NRL teams look the same. They all play pretty much the same structure and shape.
If all our kids are being taught this same way to play the game from the time they are nine; If the art of contemporary coaching is, as Brad Fittler suggests, to take the "thinking" out of the game and just "play"; If it's true what Andrew Johns is saying in that most of today's young playmakers simply follow a routine and aren't actually watching or engaging the defensive line looking to exploit weaknesses as opportunities, then where is the next generation of our game headed? What will football look like in five, 10, 20 years' time?
History shows us that players will probably be bigger, stronger, faster and more durable. But will they be smarter?
Who is going to be brave enough to break the mould and take the game in a different direction?
Then again, maybe the game is headed exactly where it's supposed to go. Maybe these are just the musings of an old dinosaur who looks on the past with rose-coloured glasses and is reluctant to move with the times.
However, I can't hide the fact that I sometimes get disappointed with the evolutionary trends of our game. I laugh at the constant attempts to change the game by implementing more rules and rule interpretations, rather than through coaching and education of players.
I want players to think more, not less.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...--not-less-20160402-gnwtpr.html#ixzz44fHS7RVT

He's pretty much saying what a lot of us have said for a while - all teams play with the same structure and players are too specialised in their roles to know much else.

What's worrying is that a lot of halves now don't play what's in front of them but are too busy organising their own players for set pieces. It shows when there are gaping gaps that players can't take advantage of or don't know how, and cross field kicks are overly used on last plays.

But what's the solution to all this? How do we actually incentivise players to read the game and actually play football?
Is the best way to play rugby league how teams are playing it currently? Or are coaches irrational and they truly have it wrong?
 

Dogs Of War

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Really it comes down to coaches just not copying what other teams are doing. There is more than one way to setup a team.


That said its been a while since a Milford has come along. Previous to that I think it was Ewan mcgrady who last played off the cuff. So it's not like it's something that was always happening it's been in the game for quite some time.
 

BunniesMan

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It's incredibly frustrating. There's so few line breaks. You can basically change channels when the team with the ball is in their own half. So often tries only come off the back of penalties, penalties that are mostly judgment calls from refs on the kind of tackles that don't get pulled up 90% of the time.

Too monotonous, too robotic, too predictable. The solution? I really have no idea. Nobody wants to try anything new, they're too scared to lose their jobs. I'd love for a team to give a new strategy a go. What would teams like the Dragons and Knights lose if they gave the Walker brothers a go? Right now those teams are just playing footy as bad versions of the top teams. Why not go in another direction and take a risk.
 

Cumberland Throw

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Phil ,,,, like most of life follow the money...

Would a half back on 60k take a few risks.... yes, who cares ican earn 90k as a brickies labourer...

Would a half back on $1.2M .. take any ... NO

Would a coach on $80k take a few risks .. yeah why not,

Would a coach on $950k ? shit no why risk it.. .
 

Perth Red

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The spontaneous players don't last very long in the NRL where complete sets and field position are king. Want to watch more variety, more errors and more attack? watch SL. Sadly that style of play loses more games than you win in NRL.
 

no name

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Should have picked the Walker brothers to coach over Hook.

I doubt they will ever get a gig, but if they do it will make for entertaining footy one way or the other.
 

Nightward

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The deepest irony in all this is that Gould has just hired Anthony Griffin.

Griffin, whose response to any stimulus at the Broncos was to send a back-rower. A half is down? Send a back-rower to do the job. Winger or Centre is injured? Back-rower. Props not bending the line? Send a more slightly-statured, physically less explosive back-rower. Players are available on the free market? Buy all the back-rowers.

I exaggerate, but not by very much.

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There are two sources for the problem Gould's pointing out, and it comes from the junior ranks.

One is definitely that coaches are emphasising risk-free football to minimise errors and penalties. The game does incentivise this to some extent so it's understandable. We've seen what can happen when in-form teams like the Warriors run into grinders like the Storm; the grinders win. Maybe not every game, but over time their record proves superior, which is what matters over the course of a season. The last time a team that tried something different won a Premiership was the Tigers, and I can remember Paul Harrogan saying something along the lines of "if the Tigers think that style of football can win them a Premiership they've got another thing coming to them."

The second is a related but unfortunately considerably more thorny issue to address. The number of Polynesians playing the game at lower levels has vastly increased in recent years. Through no fault of their own, people with that heritage develop height and strength faster than players of other backgrounds, meaning that they gain a relative advantage and can simply bulldoze their way through. Raw speed and skill don't matter when you're constantly up-ended or worn down by trying to tackle larger, stronger players. There is, unfortunately, no way I can see to really address the problem. Weight/size-based segregations have been tried but it pits younger Polynesians with less-developed skill sets against players of similar size but greater experience, which is as unfair as the existing system. Flat-out racial segregation is (and should be) a total non-starter.

But with that in mind, what's the solution? The status quo promotes "athletes" who make no errors rather than exciting players who react to what's in front of them. Players who can break the mold get progressively rarer, and by the time a 19-20 year-old arrives at the NRL level most aren't going to be able to un-learn their skill set and be redeveloped as a Johns/Lockyer/Sterling/Langer-style innovator.

Merely saying "oh, tell them to start thinking" isn't going to fix it.
 

Chook Norris

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The only solution, that I can see, to incentivising teams to take greater risk within their own half of the field is to increase points for trys scored from there (ie from 4 to 5 points) - but I don't believe there is an appetite for that and it would be frowned upon to change the scoring system.

Even then it this wouldn't address the fundamental issue of players not developing to have a football mind.

Gould did once suggest creating a rugby league halves academy so I'd be interested to see how that would work
 

Packy

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The thing is that Fittler was natural. His game execution wasn't considered or processed. He just knew what was required and had the ability to pull it off.

Most aren't like that and need a structure of coaching to help.
 

Parra

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"What will football look like in five, 10, 20 years' time?"


It couldn't get any more boring than it is in 2016.

I think Johns' comments are the most insightful and Gould paraphrases it well 'most of today's young playmakers simply follow a routine and aren't actually watching or engaging the defensive line looking to exploit weaknesses as opportunities'
 
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When players and coaches get paid $$$$$, teams, fans and sponsors demand results.

Therefore, they coach and play for the win.

Really, they are entertainers, but at this price, it is only a by product of the pursuit of winning.

When you also consider the proliferation of social media and gambling on sports, you can understand the pressures the coaches and players are under to satisfy their club bosses, the money men/sponsors and the betting agencies. To be fair, entertaining the fans would be the lowest priority for any coach and any team.

There is also a saturation of media. I don't need to hear an out of breath player trudging off at half time. I don't need nor want to see the change rooms before, during and after a game. This does not make my viewing experience better. Some of my fondest memories were Friday Night Footy games kicking off at 8.30pm, with a commentator, an analyst and a sideline eye. Maybe a stats guy in the back.

People also wonder why players and coaches give staid cliched responses when at any sign of emotion they are ridiculed, criticised and left bleeding my merkins like Rothfield, Hooper, Massoud, Weidler and Wilson. Phil Gould might have the game at heart, but he too is a hypocrite. I watched the pre match of Souths vs Manly the other night on replay. Sure, hindsight is a wonderful thing, but what I found funny after the game were some of his observations, one being Souths defence was weak and probably couldn't hold out Manly and he was really opinionated in other areas for both sides which didn't bear fruit. Fair enough as I said. But this happens every game. And I'm sorry Mr Gould, you and your cohorts at Ch 9 are tired, stale and far too dumbarse for my liking. No offence to Brett Finch...but f**k OFF!!! Fittler, get a bib. Lockyer...please. "His footwork is fast, and it's quick too." Insightful there.

Our game also mocks/scorns intelligence. If you show an ounce of intelligence you get the boot in to you.

As loathe as I am to say it Fox have it right. A commentator, and ex player as analyst/support for in game knowledge, and a bloke on the side line. Too be fair they have far too many boofheads in there too pre/during/post game but their commentary sounds better.

You also have to remember these footy players aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. From a young age if they show a modicum of talent, that's all they focus on. They are young, dumb and full of cum. Which is what all young blokes are. They have the world given to them if they succeed and they don't know how to handle a lot of the times. I did an interview with a long standing club, state and international coach a couple of years ago. He noted that so many of these players come from tougher backgrounds. And a lot of the players (especially Polynesian players) are very shy around the media and so they either clown around to deflect or mumble because they are timid in front of a camera. If the NRL wants a better image, then they need to further educate players in handling the media (note: I'm not arguing that clubs/NRL do or don't media train...but I wouldn't want the merkins shoving a mic in my face and then tearing me a new one).

I also remember Warren Ryan talking about the Bulldogs Entertainers era. He said whilst it was entertaining, and there was success, there were certainly a lot of drubbings in there too, so being entertaining sometimes had its drawbacks, esp when you lost.

End of rant. I'm probably off topic.
 

Chook Norris

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IMO playing with structure and playing what's in front of you are not mutually exclusive ie we can have both.

Coaches should be encouraging players to develop vision and exploit what's in front of them instead of a huge reliance on set plays, if they aren't already. Developing a football brain should be seen as a bonus and a game breaking factor, and the game needs greater investment in it.

I think we're all resigned somewhat to the NRL forever being played with the same distinct structure but that doesn't mean players still can't develop more skills outside of their existing roles. It's sad that coaching in the game doesn't value diversity as a bonus beyond structure.
 

Parra

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IMO playing with structure and playing what's in front of you are not mutually exclusive ie we can have both.

Coaches should be encouraging players to develop vision and exploit what's in front of them instead of a huge reliance on set plays, if they aren't already. Developing a football brain should be seen as a bonus and a game breaking factor, and the game needs greater investment in it.

I think we're all resigned somewhat to the NRL forever being played with the same distinct structure but that doesn't mean players still can't develop more skills outside of their existing roles. It's sad that coaching in the game doesn't value diversity as a bonus beyond structure.

The point is that this all needs to happen & be encouraged before players reach NRL level. It could be encouraged by rule modifications at amateur levels - say introduce a 5m rule for all games below state level or similar efforts to ensure junior teams and coaches don't just become poor caricatures of NRL styles of play.
 
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