Agree, horse shit he hasn't been suspended! Clear repat offender. NRL setting themselves up for future law suit with these fines vs suspensions!Interesting chat on 360 tonight
NAS, career 17 charges, 16 times pleaded guilty, 7 weeks suspended, this season 5 guilty charges and hasn’t missed a game. Most of the acts have intent such as the Egan incident
We then have cases like Finucane missing 3 weeks for an accidental head clash
I think the biggest indicator to me of coaching performance is the man manager quality of said coach. No one can tell me Wayne Bennett knows how to unlock a game miles better than anyone, or that Craig Bellamy has a secret to defensive structures or whatever. That sort of IP flows freely throughout 16 clubs and everyone has access to it. The difference in the greats - the Bennetts, Bellamys, Clearys, is that they get the best out of their resources. Their players, their support staff, the club etc. They are consistent. They know how to motivate, consistently. They drive hard standards but can do enough cuddling to keep players on their side. The ones who can't do that, don't succeed.O’Brien summed it up a few weeks back with his “I’ve been an assistant for 4 grand finals, I know what it looks like”, sticking to a blueprint he thinks is the only way to do it
Great discussion.Yep, agree with Scott and Beaver. The draft is a terrible idea, our system is completely different to the American college/pro ranks where athletes are well accustomed to going away for college, and therefore for the pro ranks.
I think the biggest indicator to me of coaching performance is the man manager quality of said coach. No one can tell me Wayne Bennett knows how to unlock a game miles better than anyone, or that Craig Bellamy has a secret to defensive structures or whatever. That sort of IP flows freely throughout 16 clubs and everyone has access to it. The difference in the greats - the Bennetts, Bellamys, Clearys, is that they get the best out of their resources. Their players, their support staff, the club etc. They are consistent. They know how to motivate, consistently. They drive hard standards but can do enough cuddling to keep players on their side. The ones who can't do that, don't succeed.
That's why I've often felt like someone like Steve Hansen could come in and be a successful NRL coach - maybe not a head coach, but as a facilitator/manager. He would bring in the people he needed around him to make it work.
This reminded me of John Hart, who was with us during our 'within a whisker of a premiership' year.That's why I've often felt like someone like Steve Hansen could come in and be a successful NRL coach - maybe not a head coach, but as a facilitator/manager. He would bring in the people he needed around him to make it work.
Yep that’s correct, it’s reading the players, assessing their ability then giving them a role that compliments both their strengths and the spine. Bellamy has it, Bennett has it, Robinson probably does but we only ever really see quality in their lineup, Cleary has it at numerous clubs, and Hasler has itYep, agree with Scott and Beaver. The draft is a terrible idea, our system is completely different to the American college/pro ranks where athletes are well accustomed to going away for college, and therefore for the pro ranks.
I think the biggest indicator to me of coaching performance is the man manager quality of said coach. No one can tell me Wayne Bennett knows how to unlock a game miles better than anyone, or that Craig Bellamy has a secret to defensive structures or whatever. That sort of IP flows freely throughout 16 clubs and everyone has access to it. The difference in the greats - the Bennetts, Bellamys, Clearys, is that they get the best out of their resources. Their players, their support staff, the club etc. They are consistent. They know how to motivate, consistently. They drive hard standards but can do enough cuddling to keep players on their side. The ones who can't do that, don't succeed.
That's why I've often felt like someone like Steve Hansen could come in and be a successful NRL coach - maybe not a head coach, but as a facilitator/manager. He would bring in the people he needed around him to make it work.
Good point. I lived in Melbourne and I don't exactly know the system, but I know at secondary school level it is very school-based. That would differ from Sydney RL where the emphasis is on SG Ball, Harold Matthews, the old U20s, state under age representation etc? I don't remember there ever being any emphasis put on where a player came from club-wise in AFL.We compare it to the American football, but AFL does it, do they have a different system to league juniors etc?
While I agree coaching talent seems thin, some can produce premierships at one club and not at others, Wayne at Newcastle, Madge at Tigers, Des at Dogs.
The top talent is pooling with the top clubs for understanding, the cap isn't working that well to even out the competition, which it was designed to do.
Absolutely. Culture is EVERYTHING. That's in any business, any environment, any team, anything you want to look at. I find it incredible at times when you look at an organisation and you see how closely it mirrors the person at the top - be it a CEO, coach, principal at a school etc. You could have tens, hundreds, thousands of people below that person(s) but those values, behaviours, and overall culture is nearly always mirrored from the head honcho.Great discussion.
Culture is so critical. The other thing the great clubs do (and only really Easts and Storm are in this category at this moment on my opinion, although I hope the Panthers can get there) is they have great successions planning. They let the right people go at the right time and bring in players at the time that gives them the best chance to succeed.
Exactly, I was going to use this example, too. He saw the quality in Ivan and if Wayne Scurrah had an ounce of nous, he would have backed in the superior knowledge of Hart to keep him in NZ. But as we all know, Wayne + Eric knew better, and 11 years later we're still in the toilet.This reminded me of John Hart, who was with us during our 'within a whisker of a premiership' year.
John Hart, Auckland rugby through and through, but took a punt with us.
Madge I would throw in the regimented crew. Des at the Dogs is probably a perfect example, he turned up in 2012, saw what he had, and took a team with J Reynolds and K Keating as the halves to the grand final using forwards as his playmakers. Even at Newcastle Wayne found a prelim finalWhile I agree coaching talent seems thin, some can produce premierships at one club and not at others, Wayne at Newcastle, Madge at Tigers, Des at Dogs.