NRL Reopens Melbourne Storm Salary Cap Investigation

[bartman]

I could claim the opposite actually... I always tend to real you in Suity, with your over-reacting to anything I happen post.

#thelovethatdarenotspeakitsname .

 

[strider]

15 or so players? You have NFI, 11 players were revealed to be the beneficiary of the rorts, they were Smith, Slater, Chambers, Turner, White, J.Smith, Crocker, Inglis, King, Johnson and Kaufusi. 3 remain in Melbourne, All the others are still active with other NRL teams bar Kaufusi. Get your facts straight before you shoot your mouth off.

i don't think it matters who they were or even how many there were .... the problem is the club was over the cap as a whole - where the brown paper bags went was probably a bit irrelevant

why was it those 11 players? were their managers "cheating friendly"? were they the ones that were thought to be trustworthy not to blab?

 

[Eels Dude]

i don't think it matters who they were or even how many there were .... the problem is the club was over the cap as a whole - where the brown paper bags went was probably a bit irrelevant

why was it those 11 players? were their managers "cheating friendly"? were they the ones that were thought to be trustworthy not to blab?

That's right. It doesn't matter who the players were that were being handed brown paper bags, it has a roll on effect on the entire managing of the salary cap and other player's salaries. Pay an extra 200k to Cameron Smith illegally then that allows you an extra 200k in cap space which means you can to upgrade four other players contracts by 50k each which is enough to entice them to stay at the club as opposed to accepting offers from rival clubs.

 

[lingard]

Still doesn't mean I can't hold a grudge. I don't want to win a premiership by having it handed to the club but while they may have been stripped of a title, the fans and the players were able to celebrate it. Nothing will change the hurt and anger for me but the NRL at the time could and should have made it hurt a lot more than what they did.

Yeah. But that game at Parramatta Stadium in 2010, where we beat them and Jarryd Hayne head-butted Billy Slater would have to be about the best club game I`ve ever seen. Sweet revenge.

 

[lingard]

I still think we came within a whisker of winning that grand final in 2009. If Reddy had not gone off injured, I reckon we would have definitely won. He would have cleaned up that chip over the top try with his eyes closed. We would have come storming home.

 

[Eels Dude]

Yeah. But that game at Parramatta Stadium in 2010, where we beat them and Jarryd Hayne head-butted Billy Slater would have to be about the best club game I`ve ever seen. Sweet revenge.

Great game. But we didn't get a premiership out of it so I don't think it's quite sweet revenge. Headbutt on Billy was a start though.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I still think we came within a whisker of winning that grand final in 2009. If Reddy had not gone off injured, I reckon we would have definitely won. He would have cleaned up that chip over the top try with his eyes closed. We would have come storming home.

Yeah we were coming home strong - if Fui was not penalized I believe we would have won - and then finally I could have opened that bottle of port which hopefully has not turned into vinegar

 

[undertaker]

i will never feel '09 is Parramatta's tho .... we did NOT win the final game, so it will never be ours .... but i still feel the storm f**ked us (and everyone else) over

Finally, an Eels supporter who talks sense. Have been sick and tired of all the other Eels supporters who feel a sense of entitlement that the 2009 GF should be theirs by default. The Sea Eagles and Broncos in 2009 also have a claim on that, as they were both beaten by Melbourne in the finals (just like Broncos and Eels did in 2007)

The only thing that was good about seeing the Storm's 2007 premiership stripped off them is that Clint Newton hasn't played in a "legitimate" premiership side. Man, I couldn't stand him when he was at the Knights, especially with all the grandstanding and media-whoring he did in 2007. Such a disgrace that even though his heart wasn't there, he stayed in the side just so he could play his 100th game and then buzz off immediately afterwards. As a matter of fact, any player who has that attitude shouldn't be in the NRL

My issue with that is the Storm robbed every side in the premiership for 4 years. By doing so they deserve 4 years of punishment, not just one year they received in 2010. If they win in 2014 fine, but they should have been given more of a punishment than what they were because Waldron and the Storm club have effectively wipped 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009 out of the record books.

2007 and 2009, yes. 2006 and 2008, no (since they got beaten in the GF by Brisbane and Manly, respectively)

 

[bartman]

Don't think many Eels fans in here have claimed the 2009 title?

But I think a lot of fans think that recent articles where Storm 2009 players still claim they should be recognised for their achievements as a bit rich. The dopey merkins should give their stolen rings back to the NRL, and get their false tattoos lasered off imo.

 

[Suitman]

The Grand Final rings weren't stolen. They were awarded to them.
It's the NRL's fault that they've never been demanded to be returned, as they should have been. If you take a premiership off a club, you also take the rewards that went with it.
The rings should never have stayed with the players.

As for the tattoos, if the dopey merkins happily believe they won that comp, it's their issue to deal with for the rest of their lives. They chose to get them. Lasered off. lol.

Suity

 

[bartman]

Stolen is (of course) a metaphorical term in relation to the rings' status, given they also "stole" a competition through cheating. I agree the NRL should have demanded them back when they demanded the trophies back and erased the Storm's name from the record books.

As for lasering off their dopey tattoos, imo the NRL should offer them something like this, and publically shame the players if they don't take up the offer:

 

[Suitman]

lol.
I don't even have to put a smelly prawn on the hook.

Suity

 

[Kornstar]

Finally, an Eels supporter who talks sense. Have been sick and tired of all the other Eels supporters who feel a sense of entitlement that the 2009 GF should be theirs by default. The Sea Eagles and Broncos in 2009 also have a claim on that, as they were both beaten by Melbourne in the finals (just like Broncos and Eels did in 2007)

The only thing that was good about seeing the Storm's 2007 premiership stripped off them is that Clint Newton hasn't played in a "legitimate" premiership side. Man, I couldn't stand him when he was at the Knights, especially with all the grandstanding and media-whoring he did in 2007. Such a disgrace that even though his heart wasn't there, he stayed in the side just so he could play his 100th game and then buzz off immediately afterwards. As a matter of fact, any player who has that attitude shouldn't be in the NRL



2007 and 2009, yes. 2006 and 2008, no (since they got beaten in the GF by Brisbane and Manly, respectively)

Never wanted the premiership awarded to us by default, we didn't win it! We were however cheated out of having a legitimate chance to win it!

 

[Eels Dude]

Finally, an Eels supporter who talks sense. Have been sick and tired of all the other Eels supporters who feel a sense of entitlement that the 2009 GF should be theirs by default. The Sea Eagles and Broncos in 2009 also have a claim on that, as they were both beaten by Melbourne in the finals (just like Broncos and Eels did in 2007)

The only thing that was good about seeing the Storm's 2007 premiership stripped off them is that Clint Newton hasn't played in a "legitimate" premiership side. Man, I couldn't stand him when he was at the Knights, especially with all the grandstanding and media-whoring he did in 2007. Such a disgrace that even though his heart wasn't there, he stayed in the side just so he could play his 100th game and then buzz off immediately afterwards. As a matter of fact, any player who has that attitude shouldn't be in the NRL



2007 and 2009, yes. 2006 and 2008, no (since they got beaten in the GF by Brisbane and Manly, respectively)

You do realise your first point kind of contradicts your second one in regards to 'anything could have happened'. If the storm hadn't been in the Gf in '06 or '08 there's we don't know what could have happened. It changes the entire nature of the comp. Just like in '07 and '09 where I agree with you, just because we were runners up doesn't make us worthy premiers as other teams were disadvantaged too. But other teams were disadvantaged by their rorting in '06 and '08 too.

 

[bartman]

lol.
I don't even have to put a smelly prawn on the hook.

:lol:
If someone replying to simple discussion in a thread on an internet forum is your idea of a "hook", then you've got bigger problems than I'd ever imagined!

#obsessionbycalvinklein

 

[Joshuatheeel]

. STORM captain Cameron Smith has again insisted that his side rightfully won the 2007 and 2009 premierships.

"Whether people think it's right or wrong, we still believe we won those grand finals," Smith said ahead of Sunday's grand final against the Bulldogs. "It's not about making up for '07 or '09, because we believe we have won them and this one is just another grand final that we have an opportunity to win.

"We're so far past what happened in 2010 it's not funny. This game isn't about making up for what happened in the past. It's about going out there and giving ourselves the best opportunity to win this week and win a grand final."

Smith's comments maintain the party line from the Storm players who were there two years ago when their titles were stripped for systematic rorting of the salary cap.

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While the Storm are an inferior squad, mostly made up of spare parts players, Smith says they are tougher. "We're probably a more resilient group now given what we went through," he said. "We have always been a mentally tough place. I think we have shown that in the past.

"But we decided fairly early on that if we were going to move on as a club, we had to do it straight away. We did that.

"You could even go back to that season in 2010. We could have just thrown in the towel and said we can't do anything about this year. I think we came out and won 14 matches that year. The following season we came out and fell one short.

"It showed the character that this place has and the effect the coach has on the place, the bond that this group shares down here."

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/spor...nrl-premierships/story-e6frexnr-1226482090686

Gee what can I say about smith - bloody wa$ker. How can he not understand what advantage spending an additional $700k more then every other nrl side provides. I hope the dogs give it to the storm!!

 

[Gronk]

Heard a caller last night on 2UE Sports Today who said that it's water under the bridge and we should all move on. Difficult when Smith & Co continually fan the flames isn't it ?

#godoggies

 

[TheParraboy]

Whats the money if Storm win, Smith and co will they then blab on how they won it to justify 2007 and 2009. Nothing is surer

Hope the doggies go on rampage and put 50 on them

 

[Kornstar]

If the NRL weren't so hell bent on making them successful, they wouldn't even be playing in any grand finals!!

Imagine some of the future stars we could have kept if we were rotting the cap to keep our best NRL players! They achieved their results from cheating and gave themselves an advantage over other teams.

Sick of hearing how they developed Cronk, Smith, Inglis, Blair, Hoffman, Slater, King etc. the fact is that they held onto the core of exceptional for longer than most clubs and they did that by cheating!

They may very well have brought them through their system like most NRL clubs do but everyone else loses their stars, we are the perfect example! They got to keep theirs and then because they were
successful, attracted the best of the youngsters and put them in that system, of course they were going to thrive.......

Shallow people don't look deep enough at the real effects of the systematic cheating!

 

[hineyrulz]

And these f**kheads still don't get it ](*,)](*,)