NRL state of play: NRLW Magic Round, expansion and pathways

[TheGrifter]

An NRL second division would be ideal for someone like PNG. The logistics and reality of life in PNG is going to make it a hard sell for the top grade, but if they had NRL2 it would work.

 

[siv]

An NRL second division would be ideal for someone like PNG. The logistics and reality of life in PNG is going to make it a hard sell for the top grade, but if they had NRL2 it would work.

They are already there in Qld Cup, which operates like a northern 2nd division

 

[TheGrifter]

They are already there in Qld Cup, which operates like a northern 2nd division

Yep but needs to be national not just northern

 

[TheRam]

It’s not the storms job to fund jnr participation. That’s the job of Vicnrl which Is now a subsidiary of the nrl.

Yeah sure, we can all point at the other guy, but unless someone steps up nothing will ever change or improve. I a perfect world you are right, but it's not a perfect world. The Storm need to start producing quality juniors. They can sit back and wait for the unicorn to appear, or the can get proactive and do something that will only be to their advantage further down the line.

Also maybe if the Victorian junior base was stronger the Vicnrl would also be in a stronger position to actually contribute more too. The NRL/ARLC is the one that really should be doing most of the heavy lifting at this stage of Victoria's development anyway.

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah sure, we can all point at the other guy, but unless someone steps up nothing will ever change or improve. I a perfect world you are right, but it's not a perfect world. The Storm need to start producing quality juniors. They can sit back and wait for the unicorn to appear, or the can get proactive and do something that will only be to their advantage further down the line.

Also maybe if the Victorian junior base was stronger the Vicnrl would also be in a stronger position to actually contribute more too. The NRL/ARLC is the one that really should be doing most of the heavy lifting at this stage of Victoria's development anyway.

It’s not about being a perfect world, it’s literally the arlc’s mandate to grow participation of rugby league across ALL Australia. It’s their job. It’s an nrl clubs job to take the best 16 year old kids and turn them I to nrl first graders. It’s the ar LC’s job to get as many kids playing so the nrl clubs have depth to choose from. The arlc has failed miserably in this in many areas but especially in places like Victoria and WA.

when the arlc forcibly took over nrlvic, nrlwa etc and disbanded their boards and independent management they assumed all responsibility for the game in those states.

 

[TheRam]

It’s not about being a perfect world, it’s literally the arlc’s mandate to grow participation of rugby league across ALL Australia. It’s their job. It’s an nrl clubs job to take the best 16 year old kids and turn them I to nrl first graders. It’s the ar LC’s job to get as many kids playing so the nrl clubs have depth to choose from. The arlc has failed miserably in this in many areas but especially in places like Victoria and WA.

when the arlc forcibly took over nrlvic, nrlwa etc and disbanded their boards and independent management they assumed all responsibility for the game in those states.

I get it mate. But like I said, if they ARLC isn't doing it and the Storm don't do it either, then league will never grow in that State enough to stand on its own two feet player wise and if that's the case it will never truly be a sport that the Victorians care about or want to watch on the box or live unless it's a major game like a GF just in passing though not that they really care.

We can all just say it's not our responsibility and do nothing to save some money but in the long run it will cost more doing nothing then doing something.

All I am saying is that the Storm need to do as much as possible to grow the game and not focus on just spending their money on developing juniors from QLD, NSW and NZ. They should also make a lot more noise always not just every now and then about the ARLC and how they should be doing a lot more by setting up and funding huge programs for Vicnrl. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Every meeting, every get together, every media interview about the game or any opportunity that the conversation can go in that direction about strengthening RL in Victoria it should be brought up, like a broken record. Lobby and lobby hard regularly and forever if need be.

What they should do is formulate a plan of strategic ways and programs that they feel would be the simplest to explain and that would grow the game in Mel/Vic and air them in interviews and that they need funding from the ARLC to get them up and running. Be loud, be clear, be persistent, and be determined. What are the ARLC going to do, throw them out? Embarrass if need be them to the point that the ARLC has to do something. But to just sit there and shrug your shoulders and do nothing because it isn't your job, when if doing nothing hurts you the most and the game eventually overall is just silly and self destructive. See that's the problem, RL people just don't know how to lobby like AFL people do. We just simply accept the sh*t soup we so often get.

 

[Iamback]

Yeah sure, we can all point at the other guy, but unless someone steps up nothing will ever change or improve. I a perfect world you are right, but it's not a perfect world. The Storm need to start producing quality juniors. They can sit back and wait for the unicorn to appear, or the can get proactive and do something that will only be to their advantage further down the line.

Also maybe if the Victorian junior base was stronger the Vicnrl would also be in a stronger position to actually contribute more too. The NRL/ARLC is the one that really should be doing most of the heavy lifting at this stage of Victoria's development anyway.

We have had the 30% over salary cap grant for a few years now.

Under the new CBA that will be $15m in total going to the Storm for player development

That with what VicNRL get over that 5 year period is more then enough to get LeagueTag into schools as well as get talented kids staying in the sport.

Storm run and SG Ball and Flegg comps. These kids have options now... just is finding them

 

[Wb1234]

It’s not about being a perfect world, it’s literally the arlc’s mandate to grow participation of rugby league across ALL Australia. It’s their job. It’s an nrl clubs job to take the best 16 year old kids and turn them I to nrl first graders. It’s the ar LC’s job to get as many kids playing so the nrl clubs have depth to choose from. The arlc has failed miserably in this in many areas but especially in places like Victoria and WA.

when the arlc forcibly took over nrlvic, nrlwa etc and disbanded their boards and independent management they assumed all responsibility for the game in those states.

Just an excuse for Perth nrl having no juniors

rather than spending tens of millions to get afl rejects the arl can spend nothing and add a team in a place where rl juniors are abundant like png nz2 or Brisbane

 

[Dogs Of War]

Yep but needs to be national not just northern

Why does it? The QLD Cup model works great. Spread the teams around population centres encouraging participation in those areas. AFL 2nd tier in their states is similar to the QLD Cup model. It's only the NSW Cup model that is wrong. Having those 2nd tier teams spread out a bit to places like Tamworth and Coffs Harbour for example would help. They can have similar affiliations like the QLD teams do with the Bronco's spreading that 2nd level talent between 3 teams. They also then get the benefit of 3 lots of talent trying to vie for a contract.

 

[Iamback]

Why does it? The QLD Cup model works great. Spread the teams around population centres encouraging participation in those areas. AFL 2nd tier in their states is similar to the QLD Cup model. It's only the NSW Cup model that is wrong. Having those 2nd tier teams spread out a bit to places like Tamworth and Coffs Harbour for example would help. They can have similar affiliations like the QLD teams do with the Bronco's spreading that 2nd level talent between 3 teams. They also then get the benefit of 3 lots of talent trying to vie for a contract.

Except the QLD sides are going to one single feeder club model as in NSW.

It makes it very hard for those regional sides to compete long term

 

[TheRam]

We have had the 30% over salary cap grant for a few years now.

Under the new CBA that will be $15m in total going to the Storm for player development

That with what VicNRL get over that 5 year period is more then enough to get LeagueTag into schools as well as get talented kids staying in the sport.

Storm run and SG Ball and Flegg comps. These kids have options now... just is finding them

Are you saying that the Storm are receiving $15m on top of the $17m club grant which is about $5m above the player salary cap?

 

[Perth Red]

Are you saying that the Storm are receiving $15m on top of the $17m club grant which is about $5m above the player salary cap?

He has no idea what he is saying lol. There are no expectations or strings attached to the $5mill above cap grant so the idea the clubs are throwing these new found riches at Jnr Rl is laughable.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Except the QLD sides are going to one single feeder club model as in NSW.

It makes it very hard for those regional sides to compete long term

How is that true? Storm just added another feeder club.

So they now have the Nth Sydney Bears, Sunshine Coast Falcons and Brisbane Tigers under there banner.

Broncos have Wynumn Seagulls, South Logan Magpies and the Norths devils and I believe are taking the Burleigh Bears off the Titans. So they will have 4 feeder clubs.

Cowboys have the Cutter, Pride and Blackhawks as feeders. But have requested to move to a single feeder club arrangement.

Dolphins have Redcliffe and the Central QLD Capra's

The Titans are also moving to one feeder club.

Geez even the Bulldogs grabbed the Western Clydesdales to be a feeder club.

I suspect some other NSW Clubs will look to form arrangements with the QLD Cup teams that don't have a feeder club arrangement with the Titans and Cowboys letting some go as it's a good way to get talent that you probably don't have at the moment.

Keeping talent in the areas they are coming from so they are well supported with family and friends and an opportunity to get a pathway to one of the bigger clubs is the key.

 

[Iamback]

Are you saying that the Storm are receiving $15m on top of the $17m club grant which is about $5m above the player salary cap?

No that is the one. $25m over the 5 years. I thought it was only $3m a year

 

[Iamback]

How is that true? Storm just added another feeder club.

So they now have the Nth Sydney Bears, Sunshine Coast Falcons and Brisbane Tigers under there banner.

Broncos have Wynumn Seagulls, South Logan Magpies and the Norths devils and I believe are taking the Burleigh Bears off the Titans. So they will have 4 feeder clubs.

Cowboys have the Cutter, Pride and Blackhawks as feeders. But have requested to move to a single feeder club arrangement.

Dolphins have Redcliffe and the Central QLD Capra's

The Titans are also moving to one feeder club.

Geez even the Bulldogs grabbed the Western Clydesdales to be a feeder club.

I suspect some other NSW Clubs will look to form arrangements with the QLD Cup teams that don't have a feeder club arrangement with the Titans and Cowboys letting some go as it's a good way to get talent that you probably don't have at the moment.

Keeping talent in the areas they are coming from so they are well supported with family and friends and an opportunity to get a pathway to one of the bigger clubs is the key.

Ben Ikin is trying to get extra funding to expand QCup to 14 teams. The 2 new teams will be Cowboys and Titans.

Dolphins only use Redcliffe as their reserve grade side

 

[Perth Red]

Titans have just signed an extension with Tweed Seagulls as a feeder

Titans strengthen ties with Tweed under expanded affiliation

The Gold Coast Titans and Tweed Seagulls will continue to work in tandem to grow and foster rugby league talent pathways on the Gold Coast and in the Northern Rivers areas, with the affiliation between both clubs to continue long term.

www.titans.com.au

 

[Perth Red]

Dolphins only use Redcliffe as their reserve grade side

Nope, they also have Hunters, Devils and Capras as feeder clubs

 

[jim_57]

Ben Ikin is trying to get extra funding to expand QCup to 14 teams. The 2 new teams will be Cowboys and Titans.

Dolphins only use Redcliffe as their reserve grade side

Expand from the current 15 teams?

Funding for QCup expansion should go towards setting up a team in Darwin or maybe a top grade team for Wide Bay Bulls, not muddying the waters with NRL branded reserve grade sides.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Ben Ikin is trying to get extra funding to expand QCup to 14 teams. The 2 new teams will be Cowboys and Titans.

Dolphins only use Redcliffe as their reserve grade side

National Rugby League reserves affiliations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is the current state of affairs. As I said, I see Sydney clubs trying to get affiliated with qld cup teams as they need to get better pathways.

 

[TheGrifter]

Why does it? The QLD Cup model works great. Spread the teams around population centres encouraging participation in those areas. AFL 2nd tier in their states is similar to the QLD Cup model. It's only the NSW Cup model that is wrong. Having those 2nd tier teams spread out a bit to places like Tamworth and Coffs Harbour for example would help. They can have similar affiliations like the QLD teams do with the Bronco's spreading that 2nd level talent between 3 teams. They also then get the benefit of 3 lots of talent trying to vie for a contract.

I agree that the Qld Cup is a great comp with decent public interest.

But there are quite a few clubs that have ambitions of playing at a higher level, including the PNG Hunters.

The NRL is perfectly positioned to have a national second division, which could include PNG, Ipswich, Brisbane Tigers, Sunshine Coast, North Sydney Bears, Newtown Jets, Perth etc.

It would be a step up in professionalism from the current semi professional state leagues.