NRL2 Second Division

[Pippen94]

P&R doesnt work and the larger the resource and cap gap between the divisions the less it works.

Wtf?! P&r doesn't work?! You heard of soccer?!

 

[Pippen94]

Masturbatory thread. Serves no purpose & will never happen.

 

[MugaB]

Masturbatory thread. Serves no purpose & will never happen.

Then why put your 2 cents in?


....Echo chamber anyone?

 

[MugaB]

Dogs and Tigers are South West. Both the Dogs and the Tigers have more of a rivalry with Parra than each other.

South west is myth, belmore and concord is not western sydney, the tigers take a few games to campbelltown but are barely representing them, atleast st.merge are playing in the gong half their seasons, and based/training there too

As for dogs & tigers verse each other time to build a Elery Hanley trophy with a massive terry lamb sized forearm dent in its noggen!

Most teams have rivalries, some aren't worthy of two matches a year tho, local derbies more often are the better choices, and 9 teams in and around sydney helps that.
Dogs and tigers at the centre of sydney means they get dragged into more derbies, they have more to fight over than anyone with recent signings and both clawing off the bottom of the ladder, plus junior catchments in and around liverpool and macarthur getting looked at by gould now

 

[Brian potter]

yeh that would have been a much better outcome with some nice spice already mixed in to the equation! We wouldn't have lost our national footprint and thegame would look very different today. I doubt the NRL could have afforded it back then, especially with News Ltd taking $8mill a year out of the game as "compensation".

I thought this too.

no need to worry about why and what teams played in which conference and instant sporting rivalry built into the games.

imagine broncos v souths or panthers v eels or dragons v sharks.

 

[Pippen94]

South west is myth, belmore and concord is not western sydney, the tigers take a few games to campbelltown but are barely representing them, atleast st.merge are playing in the gong half their seasons, and based/training there too

As for dogs & tigers verse each other time to build a Elery Hanley trophy with a massive terry lamb sized forearm dent in its noggen!

Most teams have rivalries, some aren't worthy of two matches a year tho, local derbies more often are the better choices, and 9 teams in and around sydney helps that.
Dogs and tigers at the centre of sydney means they get dragged into more derbies, they have more to fight over than anyone with recent signings and both clawing off the bottom of the ladder, plus junior catchments in and around liverpool and macarthur getting looked at by gould now

Growing up Liverpool was big bulldogs territory

 

[Colk]

Wtf?! P&r doesn't work?! You heard of soccer?!

Yeah we are not soccer though and the Australian sporting market is not dominated by one particular sport like soccer is in Europe/South America, so for our sport and indeed the Australian sporting market it wouldn’t work

 

[Pippen94]

Yeah we are not soccer though and the Australian sporting market is not dominated by one particular sport like soccer is in Europe/South America, so for our sport and indeed the Australian sporting market it wouldn’t work

NFL crushes every sport in usa. Soccer was PR before becoming top sport in England. Lots of holes in ur assumptions

 

[Colk]

NFL crushes every sport in usa. Soccer was PR before becoming top sport in England. Lots of holes in ur assumptions

Yeah and how good is football travelling in US compared to baseball, basketball, ice hockey, gridiron etc? Also, what other sport/s seriously challenge football in England?

Ask yourself this question: do you think corporations in Australia are going to sponsor a second division RL competition?

Also, have a look at those competitions where P&R is in place, the top competitions are dominated by one or two teams and nobody has a chance to win - i.e it is highly predictable. That’s ok if everybody follows the same sport and have done for hundreds of years but how successful would that idea translate when you are competing with fumbleball, union, soccer and a number of sports

Just because an idea works in England or Europe doesn’t mean it is going to work here

 

[Pippen94]

Yeah and how good is football travelling in US compared to baseball, basketball, ice hockey, gridiron etc? Also, what other sport/s seriously challenge football in England?

Ask yourself this question: do you think corporations in Australia are going to sponsor a second division RL competition?

Also, have a look at those competitions where P&R is in place, the top competitions are dominated by one or two teams and nobody has a chance to win - i.e it is highly predictable. That’s ok if everybody follows the same sport and have done for hundreds of years but how successful would that idea translate when you are competing with fumbleball, union, soccer and a number of sports

Just because an idea works in England or Europe doesn’t mean it is going to work here

Soccer doesn't have PR in USA.

 

[Brian potter]

Yeah and how good is football travelling in US compared to baseball, basketball, ice hockey, gridiron etc? Also, what other sport/s seriously challenge football in England?

Ask yourself this question: do you think corporations in Australia are going to sponsor a second division RL competition?

Also, have a look at those competitions where P&R is in place, the top competitions are dominated by one or two teams and nobody has a chance to win - i.e it is highly predictable. That’s ok if everybody follows the same sport and have done for hundreds of years but how successful would that idea translate when you are competing with fumbleball, union, soccer and a number of sports

Just because an idea works in England or Europe doesn’t mean it is going to work here

Football(soccer) is a whole different animal. Every year I keep thinking it’s reached it’s ceiling but every year it keeps reaching new heights and not just in the premier league as the Championship as the crowds in that division are climbing year on year.

 

[Brian potter]

Soccer doesn't have PR in USA.

No sport does. Different culture.

 

[Pippen94]

Football(soccer) is a whole different animal. Every year I keep thinking it’s reached it’s ceiling but every year it keeps reaching new heights and not just in the premier league as the Championship as the crowds in that division are climbing year on year.

??? U know there's talk of euro super league. Soccer nowhere near ceiling.

 

[Brian potter]

??? U know there's talk of euro super league. Soccer nowhere near ceiling.

English fans Will never allow their teams to leave the domestic competition.

simple as.

 

[Pippen94]

English fans Will never allow their teams to leave the domestic competition.

simple as.

It'll happen funny enough with PR. Why you think one of world's biggest league would hit ceiling when bigger companies seem just to be growing??

 

[Colk]

Soccer doesn't have PR in USA.

Why mention it then. Also going back to my original post I said South America - you know as in the continent

 

[Brian potter]

It'll happen funny enough with PR. Why you think one of world's biggest league would hit ceiling when bigger companies seem just to be growing??

Not in our lifetime.

football fans in England might be many things but they are not dumb enough to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

 

[TheGrifter]

PR could work in Australia, but you would have to get a strong second division going first.

The reason PR struggles in rugby league in the UK is because the Superleague is full-time professional and the 2nd tier Champtionship is semi-professional. The gap is too big.

There is so much more money in RL is Australia, we could have a full-time professional second division.

 

[Brian potter]

PR could work in Australia, but you would have to get a strong second division going first.

The reason PR struggles in rugby league in the UK is because the Superleague is full-time professional and the 2nd tier Champtionship is semi-professional. The gap is too big.

There is so much more money in RL is Australia, we could have a full-time professional second division.

Another under reported reason why P&R struggles here in the UK is a combination of a lost generation of RL fans and apathy shown towards teams below super league due to the treatment of these teams by the RFL.

Theres also been a huge cultural shift amongst younger people who want to be associated with the bigger winning teams in both RL and football as opposed to smaller struggling clubs.

 

[Perth Red]

PR could work in Australia, but you would have to get a strong second division going first.

The reason PR struggles in rugby league in the UK is because the Superleague is full-time professional and the 2nd tier Champtionship is semi-professional. The gap is too big.

There is so much more money in RL is Australia, we could have a full-time professional second division.

Problem is the revenue in the nrl top level is ten times that in the uk, so you’d need a second division that was earning a significant amount to have any hope of not creating the same problems as uk. And that’s before you figure out how you deal with the signing of players issue that blights promoted clubs.