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NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

Wb1234

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No. I said Easts Tigers should build a Leagues Club in Springwood on Rochedale Rd.

As long as the current model is in place it makes sense to play the game by its rules. It doesn't mean we shouldn't look at other revenue streams to future proof our game.

The beauty of Easts Tigers adding a Leagues Club in Springwood on Rochedale Rd is that allotment is being converted into Logan's CBD and is located right next to a bus station that extends into the Brisbane CBD via the South East Busway with plans to extend down to the Logan Hyperdome. Put a big movie theatre in the Leagues Club and use it to screen movies during the week and as a place to watch the football on gameday while having a good feed. Make the furniture state of the art and personable so customers aren't seated next to strangers.
So you wouldn’t be surprised if the greens banned pokies but still want easts to build a leagues club anyway

sounds like a plan!
 

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Hopefully they do get banned, can’t see it with the state govt nose in the trough, the pokie dens get pulled down and replaced with apartments and the clubs use the cash windfall to grow other revenue areas including getting more fans! 14k for the top sport in town is pretty shthouse.
 

Wb1234

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Hopefully they do get banned, can’t see it with the state govt nose in the trough, the pokie dens get pulled down and replaced with apartments and the clubs use the cash windfall to grow other revenue areas including getting more fans! 14k for the top sport in town is pretty shthouse.
Well make sure Perth don’t get any of that dirty pokie money from norths then hey ?

but it’s ok to get money from betfred isn’t it ?
 
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So you wouldn’t be surprised if the greens banned pokies but still want easts to build a leagues club anyway

sounds like a plan!
A Leagues Club can become more than a bar, a hall, a restaurant and a place to have a spin on the pokies. Put a movie theatre screen in there and it's also a place to draw in non-rugby league fans who want to see the latest crap from Hollywood. If it's attached to a football field then add a childcare facility and you've got a great place for the kids to run around.

Hopefully they do get banned, can’t see it with the state govt nose in the trough, the pokie dens get pulled down and replaced with apartments and the clubs use the cash windfall to grow other revenue areas including getting more fans! 14k for the top sport in town is pretty shthouse.
The Greens are growing their supporter base. Don't be surprised if they have enough influence within the next 10 or 15 years to regularly have the balance of power in minority governments and use it to do away with pokies and bring back the death tax.

Labor got elected with just 30% of the primary vote because The Greens have increased their share and their voters preference Labor. It has also cost Labor at least one seat to The Greens in Brisbane, possibly three.
 
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Well make sure Perth don’t get any of that dirty pokie money from norths then hey ?

but it’s ok to get money from betfred isn’t it ?
Ideally we wouldnt need it, and not really. Id like to see a ban on all betting advertising. Its a scourge on the country.
 

Wb1234

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Ideally we wouldnt need it, and not really. Id like to see a ban on all betting advertising. Its a scourge on the country.
That’s nice to hear

I guess your previous posts where you praised norths as a partner because their leagues club could inject one million pa were actually made by someone else using your account ? Lol
 

Perth Red

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That’s nice to hear

I guess your previous posts where you praised norths as a partner because their leagues club could inject one million pa were actually made by someone else using your account ? Lol
I didn’t praise them I said it was one of the things they could bring to the partnership. Ideally no club would need pokie dens, but this is rugby league in Australia and it’s pretty much built on them, which is incredibly sad state of affairs.
 

The Great Dane

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Hopefully they do get banned
Prohibition doesn't work.

The negative impacts of banning gambling would not only fail to get rid of it, but would introduce a bunch of problems dozens of times worse than any of the social evils of pokies or gambling more generally.
 

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Prohibition doesn't work.

The negative impacts of banning gambling would not only fail to get rid of it, but would introduce a bunch of problems dozens of times worse than any of the social evils of pokies or gambling more generally.
I’m not saying ban gambling, I’m saying ban pokies on every street corner and gambling advertising. The evidence is very clear that access and social acceptability plays major parts in increasing addiction rates.
 

Wb1234

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I’m not saying ban gambling, I’m saying ban pokies on every street corner and gambling advertising. The evidence is very clear that access and social acceptability plays major parts in increasing addiction rates.
leagues clubs do offer old people cheap food drinks and a way to keep busy in their older years

And on gambling in general you can’t stop people from making bad decisions

like being a rugby league fan moving to Australia and picking Perth to live in
 

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leagues clubs do offer old people cheap food drinks and a way to keep busy in their older years

And on gambling in general you can’t stop people from making bad decisions

like being a rugby league fan moving to Australia and picking Perth to live in
Thats not why they exist, the revenue from food and drink is a pittance compared to the money taken from the pokies. Those old people are feeding their pensions into slot machines.

you actually can. It has been shown time and again and is very clear evidence that access and acceptability are two key factors in usage. Its why NSW has massively more gambling problems than WA. Despite only 3 times the population you have nearly ten times the amount being lost on gambling a year. WA has the lowest per capita spend on gambling of any state, 2.5 times less than NSW, largely because it is the most regulated and restricted access for pokies.

good news is pokie use is coming down, slowly but still its something.
 

Wb1234

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Thats not why they exist, the revenue from food and drink is a pittance compared to the money taken from the pokies. Those old people are feeding their pensions into slot machines.

you actually can. It has been shown time and again and is very clear evidence that access and acceptability are two key factors in usage. Its why NSW has massively more gambling problems than WA. Despite only 3 times the population you have nearly ten times the amount being lost on gambling a year. WA has the lowest per capita spend on gambling of any state, 2.5 times less than NSW, largely because it is the most regulated and restricted access for pokies.

good news is pokie use is coming down, slowly but still its something.
It’s giving old people something to do lol

you do get some problem gamblers. But for every cab driver losing 1k on the pokies there’s people at the casino losing hundreds of thousands of millons
 

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I’m not saying ban gambling, I’m saying ban pokies on every street corner and gambling advertising. The evidence is very clear that access and social acceptability plays major parts in increasing addiction rates.
History shows that you are standing on the precipice of an authoritarian slippery slope.

It may start with banning pokies on every street corner and gambling advertising, but it won't end there. Further infringements on people's rights in such a way only gives more power to those whom want to 'control' other industries that have similar negative social and environmental impacts, and it's only a matter of time before that bites you personally in the arse when they come after something you enjoy.

Besides, it doesn't work. All you can realistically achieve is to change the means through which people gamble, and there're much worse outcomes for society than pokies on every street corner...
 

Perth Red

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History shows that you are standing on the precipice of an authoritarian slippery slope.

It may start with banning pokies on every street corner and gambling advertising, but it won't end there. Further infringements on people's rights in such a way only gives more power to those whom want to 'control' other industries that have similar negative social and environmental impacts, and it's only a matter of time before that bites you personally in the arse when they come after something you enjoy.

Besides, it doesn't work. All you can realistically achieve is to change the means through which people gamble, and there're much worse outcomes for society than pokies on every street corner...
Ah the old strawman argument, so where do you draw the line? reality is since time began society has placed restrictions to try and protect people. from stupidity. Fortunately we live in a democracy where if you don’t like the rules being made you can use your vote to change the rule makers. Already has, they've banned avgas for race cars which sucks but I get why and can live with it.

there is very clear and unequivocal evidence that reducing access and making it less socially acceptable reduces usage. Banning advertising and reducing easy access may change some addicts to change how they gamble but it will also reduce those who get addicted, As can be clearly seen when you compare wa to nsw.
 
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The Great Dane

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Ah the old strawman argument, so where do you draw the line?
It's not a strawman, and frankly I don't believe for a second that you don't already know it, so stop playing dumb.

You have no limiting principle except the subjective opinion of the individual. In other words as long as something can be shown to have measurable negative social, environmental, or health impacts that can be used as an excuse to 'control' (i.e. effectively attempt to ban it in the long term) anything that enough people in power deem abhorrent or atypical.

I, or rather my side of the argument, does have a limiting principle; as soon as something directly infringes on others rights and freedoms it should be controlled. In other words it ain't anybody's business unless you're hurting somebody else.

Gambling doesn't hurt anybody else except in an amorphous sense which we A. clearly aren't talking about when we talk about infringing on others rights and freedoms, and B. is impossible to try and control for without taking authoritarian measures.
reality is since time began society has placed restrictions to try and protect people. from stupidity.
The vast majority of societies throughout history have been authoritarian hellholes. Of those that weren't/aren't they either failed to live up to their principles (we are flawed beings after all), or they accepted the fact that if freedom is to mean anything at all then it must include the freedom to make mistakes...

You cannot legislate away stupidity, and history shows that it is in fact stupidity to even attempt it.
Fortunately we live in a democracy where if you don’t like the rules being made you can use your vote to change the rule makers. Already has, they've banned avgas for race cars which sucks but I get why and can live with it.
Except of course that you can't because that isn't how a representative democracy works, especially not a dual party representative democracy.

If you don't have somebody representing your position in politics/the halls of power then that opinion effectively doesn't matter politically. Even if you do have a representative odds are that you will still lose unless your rep is a mainstream candidate, because 90-95% of all voters are totally ill informed on the vast majority of issues, even the ones they proclaim to care about most, and as such fall into tribal patterns instead of actually making a decision based on an informed understanding of the issue. That problem is amplified in a lot of ways in a mandatory voting system as well, but that's an aside.
there is very clear and unequivocal evidence that reducing access and making it less socially acceptable reduces usage. Banning advertising and reducing easy access may change some addicts to change how they gamble but it will also reduce those who get addicted, As can be clearly seen when you compare wa to nsw.
Utter ivory tower BS. The same nonsense crap people have been spewing since time immemorial, and the same lesson that certain parts of society seems incapable of learning.

All that those studies show is either that the problem has moved, or that it's become difficult to measure.
In the case of e.g. cigarettes, the restriction of cigarettes has directly lead to an uptick in other methods of consuming nicotine, or worse. So sure the number of smokers has dropped, however the number of vapers (currently) and other similar addicts rises to meet the demand.

In addictions like gambling it's even worse.

See the gambling addicts don't have anywhere else to get their high, but they don't go away either, so they are forced to find other ways of gambling, ways that can't easily be measured by dickheads whom were never taught to live and let live when they were kids...
In other words they turn to uncontrollable methods of gambling to meet the demand, i.e. illegal, organised crime, and online gambling operations, all of which have significantly worse outcomes for society than just allowing people to gamble and trying to fix the problems that ensue when they arise.

Prohibition, the war on drugs, outlawing gambling, the sex trade, abortions, even things like the outlawing of homosexuality, etc, etc, etc, how many ruined lives and unintended consequences before western society learns the bloody lesson; prohibition, in all it's forms, doesn't f**king work.
 
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