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nsw coach to lay an official complaint

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McKenzie seething with referee
By Peter Jenkins
May 21, 2006

WARATAHS coach Ewen McKenzie will lodge an official complaint about South African referee Jonathan Kaplan's handling of Friday night's semi-final loss in Wellington.

A seething McKenzie confirmed last night he would detail a string of decisions in the 14-16 defeat to the Hurricanes that completed a late-season collapse from NSW and dumped them from title contention.

Annoyed initially by two scrum rulings that turned into a 10-point punishment, McKenzie rolled out a lengthier log of alleged injustices after watching a replay of the game in the early hours yesterday.

His grievances included:


Skipper Chris Whitaker being marched 10m and into goalkicking range for the Hurricanes;

Kaplan failing to play a reasonable advantage when NSW was in a try-scoring position;

The referee approaching a NSW forward, not the team captain, to make a key second-half decision;

A lineout penalty against flanker Phil Waugh that McKenzie claims was inconsistent with other rulings;

NSW being penalised for a collapsed scrum that gave the Hurricanes a match-winning penalty;

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Kaplan failing to penalise the Kiwis for wheeling a scrum and then giving the Hurricanes the feed from the reset, which led to their only try.
"I will detail it," said McKenzie, who will send his protest to tournament bosses via the Australian Rugby Union. "All I want is consistency. All I ever talk about is consistency. And I don't know how it can all be so inconsistent.

"I've bitten my tongue for a long time but I'll be outlining it now because it doesn't seem to get any better."

The Waratahs have lost 12 successive games on the road with Kaplan in control.

"I've been aware of the statistics for some time," McKenzie said.

"I've sat on them assuming things will get better. But they haven't."

McKenzie was livid about the brief advantage Kaplan played as the Waratahs attacked deep inside the Hurricanes quarter while trailing 13-11 in the 67th minute.

NSW had formed a driving maul from a lineout, only to have the Hurricanes infringe short of the line. Kaplan held out an arm for advantage but did not allow play to develop beyond one more phase before awarding the Waratahs a penalty near touch.

Winger Peter Hewat kicked the three points to put NSW one point in front - a lead wiped out when Kaplan controversially penalised the Waratahs for collapsing a scrum three minutes later.

"What advantage was there for us near their line," McKenzie said. "We virtually drove that maul over before [the Hurricanes infringed], so it should have been a penalty try, to be honest. Then when [centre Sam] Norton-Knight hits it up under the posts he blows play up and takes it back to give us a penalty on the sideline. We had numbers on them if he lets play continue.

"If he gives us three phases before calling it up, like he gave them, maybe we score a try and we're in front by three, possibly five.

"It was the only time in the game he played a one-phase advantage."
 

Twizzle

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this just makes McKenzie look like a whinger, "lets blame the ref cause we got knocked out of the finals"

we lost, time to move on
 

lockyno1

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Well fair enough they did get screwed in the end. Scrum NSW feed should have been a penalty to NSW, Canes scored-7 points. Scrum penalty leading- canes kick the winning goal. I think it is fair enough. That is 10 points that the Canes hardly had to work for! Kaplan should be shown as to how bad he is! I have said it for years he is dead hopeless as a ref!
 

Te Kaha

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lockyno1 said:
Well fair enough they did get screwed in the end. Scrum NSW feed should have been a penalty to NSW, Canes scored-7 points. Scrum penalty leading- canes kick the winning goal. I think it is fair enough. That is 10 points that the Canes hardly had to work for! Kaplan should be shown as to how bad he is! I have said it for years he is dead hopeless as a ref!

bullsh*t... the wheel was perfectly legal... if NSW couldnt keep the scrum steady its there own fault.. and the collapse? Why were the NSW front row the only ones on their knees... I wont even go into the crap binding on Tialata
 

B-dos

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I thought the refs performance was terrible. I think McKenzie has every right to complain. What about the one phase advantage when NSW was right on the line? We are right in front of the posts and he calls a penalty over on the sideline. Bullsh*t. Not to mention the other dubious decisions.
 
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Its NSW fault ! How long have they had a home semi handed to them but they fail year after year .
They would only win the final if its played in Sydney .
 

Te Kaha

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B-dos said:
I thought the refs performance was terrible. I think McKenzie has every right to complain. What about the one phase advantage when NSW was right on the line? We are right in front of the posts and he calls a penalty over on the sideline. Bullsh*t. Not to mention the other dubious decisions.

The advantage was over due to the little knock-on that NSW did.. therefore he went back to the penalty.
 

Scott

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B-dos said:
I thought the refs performance was terrible. I think McKenzie has every right to complain. What about the one phase advantage when NSW was right on the line? We are right in front of the posts and he calls a penalty over on the sideline. Bullsh*t. Not to mention the other dubious decisions.

Lay off the booze pal

:lol: :lol:
 

Iafeta

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Te Kaha said:
bullsh*t... the wheel was perfectly legal... if NSW couldnt keep the scrum steady its there own fault.. and the collapse? Why were the NSW front row the only ones on their knees... I wont even go into the crap binding on Tialata

Bingo.

New South Wales were being smashed in the forwards, particularly at scrum time, and they tried to get a cheap penalty - it backfired.

Game set and match, stick that in your pie hole Baxter, Dunning, Robinson and McKenzie.
 

Iafeta

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Te Kaha said:
The advantage was over due to the little knock-on that NSW did.. therefore he went back to the penalty.

Shhhhh!!!

Thats facts mate. You can't let that get in the way of a good handbag fest. Led by locky, B-dos and Ewen McKenzie.
 

lockyno1

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Iafeta said:
Shhhhh!!!

Thats facts mate. You can't let that get in the way of a good handbag fest. Led by locky, B-dos and Ewen McKenzie.

If you can't see that NSW were screwed out of that game you are ridiculously silly. Kaplan continued his for of the WORST referee around! He was abysmal. We had the Canes try from a srum that should have been a penalty for the Tahs- Kaplan even warned them about this before the match. And don't get me started about the scrum penalty. You do not collpase a attacking scrum! It defies any logic!
 

Timbo

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bullsh*t it was fair. Kaplan was a disgrace.

The one that stood out for me was Whitaker being marched for asking questions. He's the captain you moron he's allowed to ask you questions.
 

lockyno1

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Timbo said:
The one that stood out for me was Whitaker being marched for asking questions. He's the captain you moron he's allowed to ask you questions.

Thats Kaplan for you!:lol:
 

SpaceMonkey

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NSW can blame themselves for both penalties. Consider the facts:

1st scrum, the scrum was wheeled through 90+ degrees and the Canes got the feed. The Tahs claim they did this illegally by pulling back on one side of the scrum. Now consider the body position of front rowers in a scrum. There is NO WAY you can pull backwards with any effectiveness, you're at an angle where you can only really push. The only way to wheel a scrum like that is for one side of your scrum to absolutely monster their opposite number, while the other side simply holds their position. In other words one side of the NSW scrum got bitchslapped.
2nd scrum: NSW were penalised for repeatedly collapsing. NSW complain that it couldn't have been them beecause they had no reason to collapse the scrum. OK so what reason would the Canes have to collapse either? If the scrum wen't down it was probably because one prop couldn't engage properly and stay up, and I'd be putting money on the fact that that prop was Baxter, not his Canes opposite.
 

Te Kaha

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lockyno1 said:
If you can't see that NSW were screwed out of that game you are ridiculously silly. Kaplan continued his for of the WORST referee around! He was abysmal. We had the Canes try from a srum that should have been a penalty for the Tahs- Kaplan even warned them about this before the match. And don't get me started about the scrum penalty. You do not collpase a attacking scrum! It defies any logic!

Logic? You collapse a scrum when you aren't good enough to take the weight... The try was from a scrum where the NSW front row couldnt keep a steady base.. NOTHING i repeat NOTHING illegal about it... if Aussies cant scrumage its there own fault.. And the penalty? if the Canes colapsed it why was it baxter on his knees and not tialata? Why did baxter try and bind under Tialata's arm?
 

Te Kaha

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Timbo said:
bullsh*t it was fair. Kaplan was a disgrace.

The one that stood out for me was Whitaker being marched for asking questions. He's the captain you moron he's allowed to ask you questions.

What do you expect? he yelled in kaplans face that he had been rucked on his back.. after lying all over the ball... You could here whitakers whinging at the top of the stands...
 

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