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westie

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I don't see what the point of this is. Almost no players were pulled out of reserve grade this year, despite many being obviously better than the FGers (just ask the clubs who've signed them). Will they suddenly become FG worthy playing under a new banner?
 

N.C.

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I'm not having a shot at you but this type of opinon is what is holding our club back. I was/still am a magpie supporter but we have to come the realisation that Western Suburbs and Balmain no longer exist as major forces in the premier rugby league competition in this country as it's been preceeded by the Wests Tigers. We have to stop holding on to memories and allow Wests Tigers to become the club it should be and embraced by all ex magpie and tiger supporters along with the current and future Wests Tigers supporters.

In twenty years time the generation that we are today are not going to know who Western Suburbs were or who Balmain were and they will be talking about legends like Marshall, Farah who played at the Wests Tigers and the year when Richards broke an ankle but played in a winning grand final side or (dare I say) the dark days of Craig Field, Kev McGuniness and John Hopoate. It's time to move forward.

In relation to creating a Wests Tigers state cup side, it should happen today. There is no need for our club to run two sides in a state cup competition. Player strength will increase and depth will be far greater as only the best players from the junior ranks progress. There is no need to carry players who have no hope of reaching the NRL just because older heads who can't let go want to field a team to be nostalgic.

Like I said, I'm not having a shot but it is time we moved forward and embraced a new era and our team Wests Tigers.

Go ahead and have a shot, Front-Rower. Better to be snide than to have a cry...

I particularly like the comment in bold.
 

meltiger

First Grade
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Go ahead and have a shot, Front-Rower. Better to be snide than to have a cry...

I particularly like the comment in bold.

Gee, still doing nothing but taking personal shots.

I suppose if you actually bothered me, it would be worth your time.

Frankly, shove your bullsh*t up your arse & keep bending over for Sheens FC.

I don't see what the point of this is. Almost no players were pulled out of reserve grade this year, despite many being obviously better than the FGers (just ask the clubs who've signed them). Will they suddenly become FG worthy playing under a new banner?

Spot on.

I'm not having a shot at you but this type of opinon is what is holding our club back. I was/still am a magpie supporter but we have to come the realisation that Western Suburbs and Balmain no longer exist as major forces in the premier rugby league competition in this country as it's been preceeded by the Wests Tigers. We have to stop holding on to memories and allow Wests Tigers to become the club it should be and embraced by all ex magpie and tiger supporters along with the current and future Wests Tigers supporters.

In twenty years time the generation that we are today are not going to know who Western Suburbs were or who Balmain were and they will be talking about legends like Marshall, Farah who played at the Wests Tigers and the year when Richards broke an ankle but played in a winning grand final side or (dare I say) the dark days of Craig Field, Kev McGuniness and John Hopoate. It's time to move forward.

In relation to creating a Wests Tigers state cup side, it should happen today. There is no need for our club to run two sides in a state cup competition. Player strength will increase and depth will be far greater as only the best players from the junior ranks progress. There is no need to carry players who have no hope of reaching the NRL just because older heads who can't let go want to field a team to be nostalgic.

Like I said, I'm not having a shot but it is time we moved forward and embraced a new era and our team Wests Tigers.

& you are completely missing the point. The State Cup sides, are meant to be partly grass roots teams, just like the junior leagues.


Short of talking about Wests possible motives for wanting to stand alone, I don't think I have mentioned nostalgia at all. Maybe I did.

We can go down the road of this one club bullsh*t all you want, the fact is, RL clubs in Sydney, for better or worse, still represent their local regions. The Wests Tigers represent both the inner west and the sth western corridor, both regions deserve their grass roots team. Not the one club representing both regions.


As Westie has pointed out in both cases, this has failed before + Sheens never promotes from the lower grades, unless it is his favourites / Look at the Skando/Moors situation. From every account given about games later in the season, Moors was outplaying Skando, yet who gets promoted?


This is nothing short of allowing Sheens to strengthen his power base within the club. The fact you are all for that, and yes, from a nostalgia POV / Killing the foundation clubs is nothing short of shameful.


We are in a JV at the top level, that's great, we all agree that neccesary. At State Cup level though? Degenerating the discussion into simply "Oh you are just looking at the past, move on" - Is completely ignoring the facts that there is #a - No evidence to support this move, #b - There is evidence to suggest this move will be a failure


You guys can pull all the fancy explanations out of thin air that you like to justify the move, the fact is - It's failed before.


Change is only worthwhile, if it's positive change.
 

blackandwhite

Juniors
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I'm thinking it was here ?

& let's rename them the Magpies while we are at it
f**k off

Play all the games at Lillyfield rectangle...if it makes you happy..Hell everything else is over there...except of course the player pool.

& the Harold Matthews, SG Ball reference is a valid one. Wouldn't the club be better time and money spent if it fielded ONE Wests Tigers team in each comp?

It would be better... but the players are still at school and presumably without drivers licenses.....of course training would be at Balmain even thou a Wests Tigers Harold Mats and SG Ball team would be predominately made up of Wests players...... for no other reason than that's where the larger population is !
 

Magpies Forever

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Damn, I hope this is not true.

Having said that, I do see the logic in only having 1 x State Cup level team but why cant it be called the Balmain Magpies or something similar?

That way you can have NRL team with the main symbol of the Tiger wiht shoulder flash of the Magpie and State Cup side with the main symbol of the Magpie and shoulder flash of the Tiger.

It would honour the merge intent of keeping both originator clubs alive wiht their playing strips being used etc. I dont buy the argument trotted out by Teflon previously that having the NRL side playing as WestsTigers and the State Cup side playing as ??? Magpies would confuse the players. PLEEAASSEE- surely the players and fans arent that dumb......... They would understand the need to make the difference and live wiht it.

If the threat of the Wests Magpies being split off and disappearing happens I'll walk away and give up on supporting the game.

I'm happy with the merge, I'm happy with the current set up of 1 x NRL and 2 x State Cup sides, not overly amused with the merry go round of 'home grounds' (SFS/Leichhardt/Campbelltown) but understand why they are doing it but reckon we should do Leichhardt and Campbelltown and give SFS the flick. I hope the WT board think long and hard before progressing along the proposed changes.
 

meltiger

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When exactly did it get personal, mel?

When you knocked me, without addressing the issues, solely for having a different POV to yourself.

I like reading your postings during the season, I find you to be quite a good analyst of our teams performances, but don't demand I agree with your viewpoint, just because you have chosen a different path to me.

I'll respect your view for as long as you give me that in return.

It's surely not too much to ask?

I'm thinking it was here ?

Your initial post, in it's entirety, essentially advocated killing off any attachment to the Balmain of old, and reverting to what Wests were in the 90's.

But being that the thread is about the State Cup sides, that is what that final comment was speaking on.

My annoyance over a merged state cup team is certainly not entirely based around nostalgia.

Play all the games at Lillyfield rectangle...if it makes you happy..Hell everything else is over there...except of course the player pool.

I have never said that, hell go back and look at my whinging post game one of the finals where I even advocated possibly playing out of Campbelltown.

My dream is to increase the bloody games played out at Campbelltown, not reduce them. Of course, I'd like to see the Leichhardt Oval allocation increased as well.

It would be better... but the players are still at school and presumably without drivers licenses.....of course training would be at Balmain even thou a Wests Tigers Harold Mats and SG Ball team would be predominately made up of Wests players...... for no other reason than that's where the larger population is !

No it bloody wouldn't. They are two unique areas, deserving of their own representation, certainly in part because of what you post above.

But by the same token, had we had merged juniors all along, would our captain play for us or Canterbury?

We may not produce the same number of juniors that you lot do down there, but we do produce some quality players, making that junior nursery just as worthwhile of maintaining as the larger, sth western one.

I'm happy with the merge, I'm happy with the current set up of 1 x NRL and 2 x State Cup sides, not overly amused with the merry go round of 'home grounds' (SFS/Leichhardt/Campbelltown) but understand why they are doing it but reckon we should do Leichhardt and Campbelltown and give SFS the flick.

I won't give up on the JV personally, even if the idea makes me extremely unhappy, but everyone is entitled to support the team for their own reasons.


In reference to the quoted, I agree 110%. We do desperately need to find a way to get back to the old 6/6 split. For as much as it's fairer on the Sth Western region than anything else.

I'd actually be interested to hear from anyone more knowledgable int he clubs finances than to me to know how important the SFS deal is in making the JV profitable. Could we bone the SFS deal and still turn a profit? (Without having to resort to handouts from the Wests Leagues clubs / Obviously nothing would be coming out of Balmain)


Your comment about a Balmain Magpies merged JV side is actually an intruiging thought. BUT you'd have to be fair and correct the JV's name at NRL level too were you to go down that road imo


Still doesn't change the fact though that for mine, we are reducing our talent pool, which I just don't see as being a positive step.
 
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incomparable

Juniors
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Perhaps you should move back to Sydney and take over running the club mel.:lol::lol:

How anyone can think that only having one reserve grade team with 25 players is better than having two reserve grade teams with 50 players is laughable.

How many people remember who won the reserve grade comp 10 years ago?????? Developing players for first grade should always be the number one priority.
 

meltiger

First Grade
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Perhaps you should move back to Sydney and take over running the club mel.:lol::lol:

No pro-JV fan wants that :) Tigers or Mapgies originally, doesn't matter lol

How anyone can think that only having one reserve grade team with 25 players is better than having two reserve grade teams with 50 players is laughable.

How many people remember who won the reserve grade comp 10 years ago?????? Developing players for first grade should always be the number one priority.

Exactly!!


Was chatting via PM yesterday to an old Magpies person I respect quite alot, heavily involved in the club (Western Suburbs not JV) who was telling me that the salary cap is around 185k for non NRL listed players.

So outside of the non-selected members of the NRL squad, we need to fill the remainder of the team within 185k.

& people think this team is going to train full time? Including those players on pissy salaries? lol Get the f**k outta here, people will believe any spin the club feeds them.
 

R2Coupe

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Damn, I hope this is not true.

Having said that, I do see the logic in only having 1 x State Cup level team but why cant it be called the Balmain Magpies or something similar?

That way you can have NRL team with the main symbol of the Tiger wiht shoulder flash of the Magpie and State Cup side with the main symbol of the Magpie and shoulder flash of the Tiger.

It would honour the merge intent of keeping both originator clubs alive wiht their playing strips being used etc. I dont buy the argument trotted out by Teflon previously that having the NRL side playing as WestsTigers and the State Cup side playing as ??? Magpies would confuse the players. PLEEAASSEE- surely the players and fans arent that dumb......... They would understand the need to make the difference and live wiht it.

If the threat of the Wests Magpies being split off and disappearing happens I'll walk away and give up on supporting the game.

I'm happy with the merge, I'm happy with the current set up of 1 x NRL and 2 x State Cup sides, not overly amused with the merry go round of 'home grounds' (SFS/Leichhardt/Campbelltown) but understand why they are doing it but reckon we should do Leichhardt and Campbelltown and give SFS the flick. I hope the WT board think long and hard before progressing along the proposed changes.

The Balmain Magpies suggestion is a good one. It maintains links to both clubs whilst satisfying the need to centralise players and reduce costs.
 

alien

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meltiger - finally a supporter from the balmain side of the joint venture who is standing against balmain and western suburbs merging at nsw cup level
 

meltiger

First Grade
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Coupe, reducing costs, is or is not the club profitable as is without Leagues CLub funding as people believe?

Alien, anyone who knows me would not be suprised I am against what we are doing. Nor that I really don't like Western Suburbs :) (Though accepting the need and reality of the JV)Though I have to say, I am developing a begrudging respect for them and their desire to stand up for themselves.
 

alien

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It would be interesting if Wests Magpies accepted players from the Canberra NRL squad and became a feeder club for Canberra. Wests Magpies might have to if they wont get any players from the Wests Tigers NRL squad. If they don't then they would probably struggle to compete with the top sides in the NSW Cup.
 

meltiger

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Yappy has confirmed Wests won't be doing that.

Good enough for me, knowing his involvement level.
 

alien

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he just said "there is no agreement with Canberra"

maybe there could be an agreement in the future though
 

incomparable

Juniors
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meltiger - finally a supporter from the balmain side of the joint venture who is standing against balmain and western suburbs merging at nsw cup level

I'll second that. Maybe it's my senility kicking in but couldn't even think of renewing my Balmain Football Club membership if it became the Balmain Magpies.
 

meltiger

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he just said "there is no agreement with Canberra"

maybe there could be an agreement in the future though


Won't repeat anything he said to me but sure, anything is possible.


Don't know why people are focussing solely on Canberra though.
 

alien

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no disrespect to you meltiger or to balmain but if balmain dont have the funds to have a team in the nsw cup and wests tigers only want 1 feeder club then why cant that feeder club be wests magpies? why should wests magpies be punished because balmain cant fund a nsw cup team?
 

alien

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no disrespect to you meltiger or to balmain but if balmain dont have the funds to have a team in the nsw cup and wests tigers only want 1 feeder club then why cant that feeder club be wests magpies? why should wests magpies be punished because balmain cant fund a nsw cup team?
 

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