NZ Squad named

[JJ]

<H1>Cricket: NZ team named for World Cup

New 9:50AM Tuesday February 13, 2007



The New Zealand squad for the World Cup in the Caribbean from March 13-April 28 has been named this morning.
Black Caps:
Stephen Fleming (captain), Daniel Vettori (vice-captain), Daryl Tuffy, Shane Bond, James Franklin, Peter Fulton, Mark Gillespie, Brendon McCullum, Craig McMillan, Michael Mason, Jacob Oram, Jeetan Patel, Scott Styris, Ross Taylor, Lou Vincent.
- NZPA

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/4/story.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10423727

Tuffey is a huge surprise - good that he's playing again, but hasn't really done much this season... Otherwise 100% predictable - there was some talk about Chris Harris - to my immense relief he has not been picked

Kyle Mills is a huge loss for us - aworld class ODI bowler in the last year or so...

 

[lockyno1]

Should have brought Chris Harris in for Mills.

 

[Scott]

Should have brought Chris Harris in for Mills.

why's that? He has done nothing to warrant selection.


Good predictable team for mine. Tuffey was a surprise, but probably a better option than Martin and Adams.

 

[Kiwi]

I probably would have taken another batter over Tuffey. There are 8 bowlers minus Tuffey, more than enough. And Bond, Oram, Vettori, Gillespie, Styris and Franklyn will be the main bowlers used in the big games anyway. Tuffey will hardly get a run.

 

[JJ]

I probably would have taken another batter over Tuffey. There are 8 bowlers minus Tuffey, more than enough. And Bond, Oram, Vettori, Gillespie, Styris and Franklyn will be the main bowlers used in the big games anyway. Tuffey will hardly get a run.

I disagree - it's risky (injury wise) to rely on Oram and Styris to bowl a lot - Franklin remains a wicket taker but is often expensive, and Bond still seems a day-to-day proposition. I think Mason, Tuffey and/or Patel(although on recent form I thought Martin might have got it ahead of Tuffey) wiull have a substantial role to play.

 

[Kiwi]

I disagree - it's risky (injury wise) to rely on Oram and Styris to bowl a lot - Franklin remains a wicket taker but is often expensive, and Bond still seems a day-to-day proposition. I think Mason, Tuffey and/or Patel(although on recent form I thought Martin might have got it ahead of Tuffey) wiull have a substantial role to play.

Even if Bond misses the odd game against the minows, and Oram and Styris bowl 5 overs a game. It still leaves Vettori, Franklyn, Gillespie, Patel, Mason and Macca as bowlers. In the games against minows Bond will be rested so he can be ready for the games that matter, Oram and Styris are fit enough to bowl and will get better as the world cup goes on. Vettori takes care of himself, as does Gillespie, these guys will bowl 10 overs a piece in most games.

So in the games that matter

Bond - 10 overs
Vettori - 10 overs
Gillespie - 10 overs

Then you have Styris, Oram, and Franklyn to share the last 20. With Mason , Macca, and patel used against the minows and as back ups when needed. If these guys can't bowl for 20 or so overs between them, then they aren't very good bowlers at all and should be there as batters only or not at all.

I'd still rather have a back up batter there over Tuffey.

 

[JJ]

I'd still rather have a back up batter there over Tuffey.

Fair enough - but the next question is who??

James Marshall has been in good form, but found wanting at that level. I hope you're not suggesting Chris Harris?

I'd have been ok with Hamish Marshall if only for his fielding - the Aussies are raving about Hayden being lucky - for mine McMillan should buyt a range of lotto tickets - if the Sri Lankan fielding and then umpiring in Aust had been competent he wouldn't have a single score of note (double figures even?) since his recall.

 

[Kiwi]

Fair enough - but the next question is who??

James Marshall has been in good form, but found wanting at that level. I hope you're not suggesting Chris Harris?

I'd have been ok with Hamish Marshall if only for his fielding - the Aussies are raving about Hayden being lucky - for mine McMillan should buyt a range of lotto tickets - if the Sri Lankan fielding and then umpiring in Aust had been competent he wouldn't have a single score of note (double figures even?) since his recall.

Narh not Harris, his time is gone, we need to look forward.

I'd have taken How over Tuffey and Ryder over Macca.

How strengthens the batting, and Ryder is in good form with the ball and couldn't do any worse than Macca with the bat. These two players are gonna play a big role in our future, even if they only played the minows and in the big games if injuries dectated.

By adding How and Ryder for Tuffey and Macca it strengthens our batting alot and doesn't take much from our bowling. About the only loss would be macca's bowling, which is average at best these days unless he gets fired up which is rare.

 

[bayrep]

why's that? He has done nothing to warrant selection.


Good predictable team for mine. Tuffey was a surprise, but probably a better option than Martin and Adams.

I disagree Chris Harris was averaging 60 with the bat over the OD series this year plus had an economy bowling rate of under 4. He would have added experience in the lower batting order. Would have given us a chance to push Oram up the batting order so he had a chance to bat longer and Harris's bowling would have been perfect on the dust bowls of the indes.

 

[bayrep]

Chris Martin would have been a better choice as a replacement bowler. Martin is bowling at around the 140k mark this year and does line and length well. I still shudder from the last series that Tuffy was in against Aus where he went for something like 19 runs of the first over and couldn't bowl line and length to save himself.

 

[lockyno1]

I disagree Chris Harris was averaging 60 with the bat over the OD series this year plus had an economy bowling rate of under 4. He would have added experience in the lower batting order. Would have given us a chance to push Oram up the batting order so he had a chance to bat longer and Harris's bowling would have been perfect on the dust bowls of the indes.

Ditto, well said. I can't believe that he isn't AT LEAST in the squad!

 

[JJ]

meh - Harris has a brilliant first-class record too - should he be in the test team?? :roll:

The reality is he's 37, he wasn't as good as all the hype in his prime... he's a very slow starter and would be much less effective than the lower middle order players we have in the team. He could only play if he batted in the top 5 and he'd be well behind Flem, Vincent, Taylor, and Styris in that regard - and obviously is below even Fulton and McMillan

 

[jamesgould]

Ditto, well said. I can't believe that he isn't AT LEAST in the squad!

Agreed. He would have also provided experience to the squad that has been missing since Astle retired.

 

[jamesgould]

Chris Martin would have been a better choice as a replacement bowler. Martin is bowling at around the 140k mark this year and does line and length well. I still shudder from the last series that Tuffy was in against Aus where he went for something like 19 runs of the first over and couldn't bowl line and length to save himself.

Also agree with this. The lack of perserverance with Martin's one day career has been woeful. If only he had been given the chances that Mills has, I believe we'd be seeing similar results now.

 

[julian87]

Just about the best squad imo. Harris for Tuffey maybe, bu i suppose NZC just didn't want to go backwards. i'm sure they would have considered an extra batter, but i don't think there is anyone good enough to fill that role besides Sinclair, and your selectors don't seem to like him very much. Tbh, both Marshall's are rubbich as international level.

 

[bayrep]

meh - Harris has a brilliant first-class record too - should he be in the test team?? :roll:

The reality is he's 37, he wasn't as good as all the hype in his prime... he's a very slow starter and would be much less effective than the lower middle order players we have in the team. He could only play if he batted in the top 5 and he'd be well behind Flem, Vincent, Taylor, and Styris in that regard - and obviously is below even Fulton and McMillan

We are not talking about the test team why be sarcastic about it when no one has even suggested the test team. Do you think the Aus selectors use the same reasoning for Glenn McGrath ?

 

[JJ]

We are not talking about the test team why be sarcastic about it when no one has even suggested the test team. Do you think the Aus selectors use the same reasoning for Glenn McGrath ?

Because it's amusing to me that anyone is suggesting Harris.

If you care to check, despite the heroic status he has his ODI record is very mediocre, to compare him to McGrath is pretty f**king funny. Harris has played 250 ODIs, with an average of 29 and a strike rate of 66.5 1 100 and 16 50's - hardly the stuff of legend, nor the stuff that will result in us challenging for the world cup. I really don't care what he's done in the domestic one dayers, if he bats at 6 he pushes Oram et al down the order.. if he bats lower he's not a hitter until he faced about 30 balls, and he's very bad at working singles (his forte is pushing his pad outside the line and working leg-byes occasionally :roll just suicide having him in the team - but nostalgia, even when deluded, can be nice.

Neither Harris nor McMillan should be anywhere near the side IMO, unfortunately one of them has snuck in.

 

[bayrep]

Because it's amusing to me that anyone is suggesting Harris.

If you care to check, despite the heroic status he has his ODI record is very mediocre, to compare him to McGrath is pretty f**king funny. Harris has played 250 ODIs, with an average of 29 and a strike rate of 66.5 1 100 and 16 50's - hardly the stuff of legend, nor the stuff that will result in us challenging for the world cup. I really don't care what he's done in the domestic one dayers, if he bats at 6 he pushes Oram et al down the order.. if he bats lower he's not a hitter until he faced about 30 balls, and he's very bad at working singles (his forte is pushing his pad outside the line and working leg-byes occasionally :roll just suicide having him in the team - but nostalgia, even when deluded, can be nice.

Neither Harris nor McMillan should be anywhere near the side IMO, unfortunately one of them has snuck in.

I'm not comparing on stats with McGarth totally different players, roles in the team totally different. You said that Harris was 37 as a reason for not taking him. McGrath is 37 and has been picked by the Aus selectors.

As for not caring what Harris has done at domestic level this season is a rather crap comment. Using that logic then we should just pick players on their looks as stats at domestic level aren't worth the paper they are written on.

Show me another player that has the domestic stats and experience to warrant the jump up to international level ? or should that be looks, or maybe by how they stand in the field ?

 

[hineyrulz]

So Mills is injured again?

 

[jamesgould]

Because it's amusing to me that anyone is suggesting Harris.

If you care to check, despite the heroic status he has his ODI record is very mediocre, to compare him to McGrath is pretty f**king funny. Harris has played 250 ODIs, with an average of 29 and a strike rate of 66.5 1 100 and 16 50's - hardly the stuff of legend, nor the stuff that will result in us challenging for the world cup. I really don't care what he's done in the domestic one dayers, if he bats at 6 he pushes Oram et al down the order.. if he bats lower he's not a hitter until he faced about 30 balls, and he's very bad at working singles (his forte is pushing his pad outside the line and working leg-byes occasionally :roll just suicide having him in the team - but nostalgia, even when deluded, can be nice.

Neither Harris nor McMillan should be anywhere near the side IMO, unfortunately one of them has snuck in.

Harris' average is very good considering he often came in down the order and would slog at the end, more often than not getting out. His strike rate may be low, but consider the amount of times he came in at 50/5 and had to rebuild the innings. He often didn't hit out for 30 balls because it was vital that we batted the full 50 overs!!!

The fact is he was invaribaly one of our best players until his dislocated shoulder, and as well as his batting, which is in outstanding form, his bowling would be invaluable in the West Indies. Even if you don't agree with him being in the side now, it's a bit rich to try and discredit his contribution to sides past.