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NZ v South Africa

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You can't put Papps at keeper just because he 'can' keep. He isn't a good keeper. Not every country can whip an Adam Gilchrist out of nowhere. SA has Boucher in the lower order who plays a similar game. Pak has Moin who also batted in the lower order. India often choose Patel who bats lower order (yeah, he has opened, but so has McCullum and they sucked...).
 

salivor

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I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare McCullum to Boucher as batters and India very rarely pick Patel because he can't bat higher up the order. They are prepared to go to the lengths of picking Dravid as keeper so they can have an extra batting or bowling option which proves my point of where ODI cricket is heading that wicketkeepers are going to have to now bat in the top order.
India won't be the last ODI side to sacrafice a better glovesman for a guy who can bat higher but is an average keeper. Even Stephen Fleming in commentary the other week talked about the two styles of keepers and the difficult decisions seletors have to make.
 

ozbash

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i like wobbly hart, will probably be our test keeper..
good te puke boy tho :D

i dont understand the selectors,, our openers are glorified #3 and 4.. we need some solid openers,, those first 3 for CD looked bloody good in the final,, specially #3 taylor.

salivor is right,, cairns is past his use by...
another te puke boy :roll:
 

salivor

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I don't know oz, Flem has really grown into that openers role now. When Astle comes back that could be a leathal combo. If Papps performs in this up-coming series and in England (if selected) then I'd move him down to 4th, Taylor is our potential future number 5 (or could play number 3 with Marshall playing at number 5 where he would be more comfortable) and Macca and Oram the hard hitting middle order.
I think theres even a place for Peter Fulton somehwere there in the future, the only problem is it would be a very batter heavy side when you really need about 7 bowling options in ODI cricket these days.
 

salivor

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Well take a player like Bondy out of a side and its going to leave a huge hole. It's done Tuffey a great deal of good though taking on the responsibility of being our number 1 bowler.
 

Iafeta

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John Bracewell has said Astle when he comes back into the ODI side will be back opening. He's trying to develop Marshall as a #3.
 
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way is chris harris not in the team he in good form. I would also like to see jeff willson get a go he has been bolwing very well this year.
 

Iafeta

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Because they are after more specialisation. The previous regime damned our one day unit by having too many bits and pieces players. The previous lot wanted a player who could do a little bit of both, Bracewell wants a player who is good enough to warrant selection on one skill, and if need be can provide with the other. Wilson for example needs to prove himself again as a bowler before he'll get a go- and prove he's injury free. Harris still has a way to go, because while he is going okay, youngsters like Papps, Fulton and Taylor keep pushing along with him - they have the advantage of a big future.
 

ozbash

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A jet-lagged South Africa flexed their muscles as Northern Districts and their five New Zealand representatives put up little fight in an early tour cakewalk in Hamilton yesterday.


The tourists, just three days off the plane, ensured their favouritism for Friday's one-day tour opener in Auckland with a six-wicket win in the low-key shakedown.

Set just 115 to win on a slow but far from unplayable Westpac Park pitch, South Africa got there in just 17.2 overs without the services of rested frontliners Jacques Kallis, Shaun Pollock and Andre Nel.

Of concern was the average showing from nearly half the New Zealand one-day squad in the Northern lineup – Hamish Marshall, Scott Styris, Daniel Vettori, Daryl Tuffey and Ian Butler.

Marshall was dropped on nought before being caught behind for 17 off the impressive Lance Klusener while Styris reached five before skying a pull shot to square leg.

Klusener, bowling at useful pace and swinging the ball away, removed both the Marshall brothers to end with two for 14 off seven overs.

For Hamish Marshall it continued a horror recent run after his magical Pakistan series – an average of 9.2 from five recent State Shield innings then nine in the inter-island match on Sunday.

After winning the toss, Northern's innings folded for 114 off 42.3 overs with five of the wickets shared by left-arm spin duo Nicky Boje and Robin Peterson, competing for a place in Friday's lineup.

Boje, playing his first match for South Africa since breaking his ankle in England last July, deceived both Joseph Yovich and Robbie Hart in the air to push his comeback claims with figures of two for 19 off 10.

Peterson took the last three wickets to end with three for 17 off 9.3.

The slowish surface was tailor-made for spin but most Northern batsman heaved their wickets away.

It was a familiar story for Northern, whose season goes from bad to worse – last place in the State Shield and currently sitting at the foot of the four-day competition table.

Only No 6 Grant Robinson dug in for the top score of 35 off 70 balls while Vettori, promoted to open, scored 31 off 64 before being yorked by debut allrounder Albie Morkel.

Tuffey and Butler struggled to keep a lid on openers Herschelle Gibbs and Boeta Dippenaar, who flayed 51 off 6.3 overs before Tuffey removed Gibbs for 27 off 25 balls.

Butler's first three overs went for 28 at the hands of Gibbs but he returned from the other end for a much sharper four-over spell – three for 21 and the wickets of Ashwell Prince, Jacques Rudolph and Mark Boucher.

Whether three for 49 off seven, including eight wides and two no-balls, is enough to edge out the in-form Michael Mason in the final New Zealand selection cut tomorrow may be in doubt.

Boeta Dippenaar, who captain Graeme Smith gave up his opening spot for, saw the chase through with 45 off 50 balls while Morkel whacked 17 off 10, including a four off Vettori, to finish it.

Smith said yesterday the tourists, who were still struggling to sleep in past 4am in a new time zone, wanted to stamp their mark on the tour immediately and gain an edge ahead of Friday's match.

"We didn't want the New Zealand guys to go back and say 'we can beat them', we wanted to send a message to them," Smith said.

"Even though it was a light-hearted outing it was important for us to send messages today, and to chase 115 in 17 overs was a good effort."

Both teams assemble in Auckland for the series launch and final trainings at Eden Park today
 

salivor

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I don't think theres much concern about the result. Buttler won't take much part in the series if at all, Vettori only got to bowl one and a half overs, Tuffey only went for about 4 an over and picked up a wicket, Marshell should step up at the next level and well we already know that Styris can be a liability with his failure to take any personal responsibility.
 

Dr Crane

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West Indies did score 300 twice.

From memory:
54
167 (40)
300
305

I think.

Not such a flash record, excluding.
 

Anonymous

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Because they are after more specialisation. The previous regime damned our one day unit by having too many bits and pieces players. The previous lot wanted a player who could do a little bit of both, Bracewell wants a player who is good enough to warrant selection on one skill, and if need be can provide with the other. Wilson for example needs to prove himself again as a bowler before he'll get a go- and prove he's injury free. Harris still has a way to go, because while he is going okay, youngsters like Papps, Fulton and Taylor keep pushing along with him - they have the advantage of a big future.

If you're after specialisation, Harris is still your man.

Look at his domestic record. He is the best domestic NZ batsman over the last 10 years. His record at that level is better than anyone trying to get into the side ahead of him.

Not that I want harris back- I think he is now struggling at international level. But I thought I'd point that out.
 

bayrep

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I had heard that Bracwell had told harris to pick up his run rate as it is to low. To be honest I cant remember what it is but at international level it is a little low for the amount of runs teams like Aus, SA and India are ammassing. I think Bracwell is on the right track for getting specialisd players that concentrate on getting the runs or wickets. But you will always need a Cains who can break a game wide open either batting or bowling.
 
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