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Old guard mentality is killing us

Dragonslayer

First Grade
Messages
7,693
We've seen it time and time again, this over-reliance on the "old guard" each and every week, season after season since Bennett left.
Playing broken, exhausted and mentally fatigued players or players who are seriously out of form just to get a win and hope they will pull the team through based solely on their experience. Don't get me wrong, they're putting in, giving their utmost, but only to the limit of their already stretched bodies and kudos to them.
This week was a prime example.
Players backing up after Origin, where celebrations were broadcast on all media. Even Hunt would have celebrated QLD's victory.
Our coach has gone on record as stating "I can't talk them out of playing". Words evade me as to this statement.
Take a look at the Roosters today. A 19 yr old rookie halfback, a rookie bench player and a player who's played 1 game. At the time of writing this they have all scored try's (yeah they're playing the Titans, but faith shown in them by the coach).
Our reluctance to not only blood players but also give them significant game time, has a duel effect. 1. They look to go elsewhere for their opportunities, refer Bird and Cook or 2. Give them 5 or 10 mins and say their ready, when we all know they're not.. Our future stars will not get a look in. Players like Lomax, Herbert, Masters and Co will soon depart our colours for opportunity, and a chance to show off their skills, while we, continue to roll out our tried and tested, because they've been there done that.
How would Mann have felt today? spent the last 3 weeks as the starting winger scored tries, defended well, only to be dumped back to the bench due to the "old guard" effect. No wonder his confidence was down.
1-17 is Xeroxed each week, and we've been lucky with injuries.
The question for me is why? Is there no faith in our reserves or is it just something we cant see and they are really shit (if so why are they still with us and even some with extended contracts re: Kerr).
Some fresh legs today may have been the difference in winning and losing today. Herbert should have debuted at least on the bench with Mann starting.
Our coach doesn't like to coach, that's obvious. But this continual reliance on the "old guard" will eventually (if not already) bring us undone, as it has in the past.
Old guard = old ways = old habits = old results.
Time for the old guard to stand aside and realise the bigger picture.
 

18to87

First Grade
Messages
9,956
I can get it when some guys have a fear of losing their spot in the side if a young kid has a blinder, but there is no risk of that in the forwards at all. JDB should have been rested for sure.
 

Old Timer

Coach
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16,939
Hunt, Frizzel and Vaughan all had fantastic games. Sims was decent and JDB was clearly affected.
What planet are you on in suggesting Hunt had a fantastic game?
Go back and have a look at his defence it was atrocious at times.
Yes he scored 1 very good try and then ????
 

avocado

Juniors
Messages
1,265
What planet are you on in suggesting Hunt had a fantastic game?
Go back and have a look at his defence it was atrocious at times.
Yes he scored 1 very good try and then ????
Vaughan and Friz were fantastic.

Hunt, JDB and Sims looked very flat.
 

Old Timer

Coach
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16,939
Vaughan and Friz were fantastic.

Hunt, JDB and Sims looked very flat.
100% and Hunt really has some issues re his defence and it has been evident for some time including SOO and today it was worse again.
If we flog our SOO forwards again next week then the Rorters will put plenty on us when they play us.
 

avocado

Juniors
Messages
1,265
100% and Hunt really has some issues re his defence and it has been evident for some time including SOO and today it was worse again.
If we flog our SOO forwards again next week then the Rorters will put plenty on us when they play us.
Other teams; Some played their SOO players. Some rested them.

We played ALL FIVE.

Jesus H Christ.
 

RufusRex

Post Whore
Messages
62,231
Summary of our backline

Dufty - fair - only supports one forward because he used that play for 3 seasons in juniors
Nightingale - worst winger in the NRL
Lafai - Slowest centre in the NRL given no space
Aiken - Dumbest centre in the NRL
Nene - busted
Mann - playing his 17th position in 2 weeks
Widdop - one good play - the rest shite
Hunt - one good play - the rest shite - cannot whine about being dumped from origin if that is his form
 

Gareth67

First Grade
Messages
8,407
Other teams; Some played their SOO players. Some rested them.

We played ALL FIVE.

Jesus H Christ.

Yes those other teams each have very committed players who fill the breach whilst their SOO representatives rest . They all know just what to do and how to do it, basically play safe footy without any mistakes - something that the coach has pounded into their heads since day 1 .

The Dragons have been playing some individuals who have been carrying niggling injuries for sometime- as they have been doing for a number of seasons now . We all know what the end result of that is , they become jaded and fatigued with each successive match which eventually leads to burnout . The heart is willing , but the body can not go on , these blokes are not robots but men who are being pushed beyond their endurance.

Unless they have that break , the Dragons could very well slide a hell of a long way down the ladder then they are now .
 
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Messages
2,910
Summary of our backline

Dufty - fair - only supports one forward because he used that play for 3 seasons in juniors
Nightingale - worst winger in the NRL
Lafai - Slowest centre in the NRL given no space
Aiken - Dumbest centre in the NRL
Nene - busted
Mann - playing his 17th position in 2 weeks
Widdop - one good play - the rest shite
Hunt - one good play - the rest shite - cannot whine about being dumped from origin if that is his form

Dufty. Love him to death, but Jesus h Christ catch the god damn ball on the full.
Nightingale. Not the worst winger, it's close though.
Lafai. A nothing burger.
Aitken. Could he have been any worse? Only if he'd died midway through the game.
Nene. Enough said.
Mann. If anyone here, ever suggests Kurt Mann is a first grade footballer I will hunt them down and Punch them in the face.
Widdop. Blonde moments for a blonde.
Hunt. Rocks and diamonds, but mostly rocks.
 

gonz

Juniors
Messages
1,271
Summary of our backline

Dufty - fair - only supports one forward because he used that play for 3 seasons in juniors
Nightingale - worst winger in the NRL
Lafai - Slowest centre in the NRL given no space
Aiken - Dumbest centre in the NRL
Nene - busted
Mann - playing his 17th position in 2 weeks
Widdop - one good play - the rest shite
Hunt - one good play - the rest shite - cannot whine about being dumped from origin if that is his form
No argument
 

2010

Bench
Messages
3,490
I watched a game today, can’t remember which one, but one of the teams had a center who was only 18 and today was his third game in first grade.
There are a number of teams that have players under 20 playing first grade.
That will never happen at our club.
 

LINESPEED

Juniors
Messages
1,551
We've seen it time and time again, this over-reliance on the "old guard" each and every week, season after season since Bennett left.
Playing broken, exhausted and mentally fatigued players or players who are seriously out of form just to get a win and hope they will pull the team through based solely on their experience. Don't get me wrong, they're putting in, giving their utmost, but only to the limit of their already stretched bodies and kudos to them.
This week was a prime example.
Players backing up after Origin, where celebrations were broadcast on all media. Even Hunt would have celebrated QLD's victory.
Our coach has gone on record as stating "I can't talk them out of playing". Words evade me as to this statement.
Take a look at the Roosters today. A 19 yr old rookie halfback, a rookie bench player and a player who's played 1 game. At the time of writing this they have all scored try's (yeah they're playing the Titans, but faith shown in them by the coach).
Our reluctance to not only blood players but also give them significant game time, has a duel effect. 1. They look to go elsewhere for their opportunities, refer Bird and Cook or 2. Give them 5 or 10 mins and say their ready, when we all know they're not.. Our future stars will not get a look in. Players like Lomax, Herbert, Masters and Co will soon depart our colours for opportunity, and a chance to show off their skills, while we, continue to roll out our tried and tested, because they've been there done that.
How would Mann have felt today? spent the last 3 weeks as the starting winger scored tries, defended well, only to be dumped back to the bench due to the "old guard" effect. No wonder his confidence was down.
1-17 is Xeroxed each week, and we've been lucky with injuries.
The question for me is why? Is there no faith in our reserves or is it just something we cant see and they are really shit (if so why are they still with us and even some with extended contracts re: Kerr).
Some fresh legs today may have been the difference in winning and losing today. Herbert should have debuted at least on the bench with Mann starting.
Our coach doesn't like to coach, that's obvious. But this continual reliance on the "old guard" will eventually (if not already) bring us undone, as it has in the past.
Old guard = old ways = old habits = old results.
Time for the old guard to stand aside and realise the bigger picture.
His loyalty to the established players is solely about his own political survival - it's a closing of the ranks lockdown/shut out the world spectrum/paranoia thingo that's totally corrupted any sensible selection processes.
He's shit scared of the sack - but also has no footy smarts or judgement , as is plain for all to see.
And the fans left hostage to a fool.
 
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JohnnoMcJohnno

Juniors
Messages
2,375
OMG now we are arguing over text structure...

This place couldn't be any more depressing on the back of some woeful Dragons performances.

I'll be back in a week...

The basic rule is one idea per paragraph. Quite simple really.

What to do about the Dragons slump I have no idea.
 
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