On Coaching Success...

[bartman]

From today's SMH:

Asked if he needed last night's win to make him complete as a coach, John Lang replied: "I don't need it personally. I remember [Brisbane coach] Wayne Bennett saying once that winning premierships wasn't the main point of coaching, that giving your team every chance to win was the main thing. And he was still saying that after he won five premierships.

"If we had played like we did tonight and still been beaten, would that have made us losers? I don't think so."

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This from two "successful" coaches! I want another premiership for Parra as much as anyone else, but the above comments suggest there are other elements to being a successful coach than just premierships, and that players must take some of the responsibility of their performances.

Does the Rooster's failure to win yesterday make Ricky Stuart a bad coach or a loser? Simple fact is they played crap, Penrith played better, and dominated some Roosters players who couldn't bring out their best form - Finch, Minicello, Byrne and Walker were horrible. I would say it had little to do with their coach(es).

That's not to say I don't think the Eels team/coaching needs a big turnaround in 2004 to give us "every chance to win", but if your team is consistently getting into the top 8/top 4 then you do have every chance and are not losers. Parra were losers in 2003 (and second half of 2002), and simply must recover from this moment forward.

Just thought this was an interesting comment from a "successful" coach.

 

[The Colonel]

As the coach has to do everything he can to prepare a team and head them in the right direction its a good article bartman. Smith got them in the position to win in 2001. He didn't play the game and what I saw on last Sunday night was a Roosters team that looked as shellshocked from the first twenty or so minutes of the game as the Eels did in 2001.

The last two seasons for one reason or another and i couldn't give a sh*t why we have not had the oppurtunity to win.

If Smith can give the team the chance to win next year I couldn't care less who came, who left, why they left or whos fault it was. If he doesn't well then he should go. But before Misty or any of the others jump up and down about giving him one more year when he hasn't done it up til now he is the coach and unless you know a way of getting him voted off by the board that I don't well you will have to put up with it.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Just give BS one more year I reckon.

 

[Misty Bee]

Just give BS one more year I reckon.

Why not another 7? Makes sennse.I mean, if he got us that close, only to fall when things didn't go our way, he's bound to do it again.

Of cuorse, had things GONE our way Smith would have led s to 7 consecutive premierships. Geez, 5 more and we'd beat St george's record.

And all because of injuries. :roll:

 

[The_Fugitive]

I'm all for Brian Smith Staying.

He should he deserves a heap of credit for turning our club into a regimented and proffessional outfit.

He deserves the rights to see the fruits of his labour from all levels of our club. He wins some, he loses some and in all his time here has been incharge of only a few embarrassing moments for our tem. ie this year, and like it or not we faced harder hurdles than the majority of clubs and was able to hold our heads up at the end of the season.

I want a premiership, and i want it bad, but not change for the sake of change. I am yet to see Brian fall apart, just like any other team who have managed to stay structured for the time when it counts.

Don't forget the club is built from the Juniors up, and the club is run from the management down, and when those peices don't fit no matter how good your coach is you'll end up on the Media Sh*t List and making the back page for all the wrong reasons ie Cronulla.

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Glad I found where you guys been posting.

 

[Misty Bee]

TROUBLE IS, THE EMBARRASSING MOMENTS OUTWEIGH THE PREMIERSHIP WINS HEAVILY!

Example:

Embarrassing moments:

1997 semi v Newcastle
1998. Semi v canterbury
1999. Semi v Melboring
2000. Semi v Brisbane
2001. Grand Final
2002. Games against Manly, Cowpats
2003, Games against Easts, Saints, Canterbury, Canberra, Melbourne, Manly, Penrith

Premiership wins:


I rest my case.

 

[The Colonel]

Actually Misty if I remember rightly and if you read the original article on this post

a) Brian Smith didn't play in any of the games.

b) The succesful coaches in John Lang and Wayne Bennett coach the players so they can take advantage of the oppurtunities to win those games. Brian did his job in the majority of cases based on how Lang and Bennett seem to coach - the players didn't make the most of the chance.

A half decent musician would come up with a new tune Misty.....

 

[Twizzle]

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A half decent musician would come up with a new tune Misty.....

Play Misty for me..........

By the way, can anyone tell me if BS played in the NRL, and if so, for whom and what position did he play.

Is he proof that you do not have to be a good player, to be a good coach?

 

[bartman]

Don't stake your house on it, but I think he was a five eighth at St George for a season or two? And that would be pre-NRL days of course.

Definitely not a player that set the world alight, but neither was Gibbo or Bennett etc.

 

[whocares]

I was watching the grand Final 2001 in Fox Sports. I must say I nearly wept. After two years I still feel the lose.We were so close to winnig. IF you see the second half we actually scored 4 tries to 1.
If we had patience we would have one. Newcastle was terrible in second half.
Franly speaking I do not see EELS achiving something like that for years to come. Simple we do not have players.
Johny Lang took Sharks to semis and then Panthers to finals.
I do not know about BS.
Should we give one year or 7 years chance that depends on 2004.

 

[Misty Bee]

Actually Misty if I remember rightly and if you read the original article on this post

a) Brian Smith didn't play in any of the games.

b) The succesful coaches in John Lang and Wayne Bennett coach the players so they can take advantage of the oppurtunities to win those games. Brian did his job in the majority of cases based on how Lang and

Bennett seem to coach - the players didn't make the most of the chance.

A half decent musician would come up with a new tune Misty.....

Yeah? 18 points up with 11 to go is a hell of an advantage. Glad Brian coached them to take advantage of THAT opportunity!

BTW, the tune is yet to be completed. Besides, in case you haven't notices, I am not a soloist. If yuo want to pick the songs, you need to consult the entire band.

 

[The Colonel]

How does a coach make a difference to a scoreline with 11 minutes to go. I am pretty sure he didn't go and tell Cariage to kick the ball back to them at half-time. Agreed having Cariage on the field wasn't the best thing however once a game is that far into the clock a coach has SFA to do with the fact they lost it unless he was on the field. He cannot change the mindset of a team aside from sending messages and changing players.....

Please Misty argue with me better than that! ;-)

 

[whocares]

I thinkwe should leave the bygone as bygones.
The question is can we start a new era or we will stilllinger on the the hangover of 2003.
I think our management is good, coach is good, we will come out of the doldrums. Otherwise we will be like Sharks.
About the mindset, of 11 point deficiet. I thin BS deserve better than that. I think it is everything to do with mindset. We should have waited for the opportunity rather we panicked.
What I expected that we would do better in 2002 becuase we had experience of grand final. But sorry to say we went from bad to worst.
IS it something to do with salary cap ? If that is the case I think we will be better of without salary caps

 

[The Colonel]

If that is the case I think we will be better of without salary caps

With out the salary cap most clubs will struggle to survive. We would have the Roosters and Broncos playing each other every week.

 

[Chipmunk]

Don't stake your house on it, but I think he was a five eighth at St George for a season or two? And that would be pre-NRL days of course.

Definitely not a player that set the world alight, but neither was Gibbo or Bennett etc.

Dont quote me, but I think he mostly played Under 23's and Reserve Grade for either Souths or Saints. I think he played a little first grade

 

[whocares]

if Salary Cap is not the problem. What is the problem ?
Why we downgraded from one of the best team in 2001 and to 2003 grasping for breath.
I mean what went wrong.
I do not believe BS is the problem. Must something else.

 

[Suitman]

If that is the case I think we will be better of without salary caps

With out the salary cap most clubs will struggle to survive. We would have the Roosters and Broncos playing each other every week.

It appears the Salary Cap has created a more level playing field, well, for those who choose to stay under it as opposed to those who don't - ie. Roosters.
But I've always wondered why it shouldn';t be the "Battle of the Fittest".

If clubs need rules to keep them afloat, maybe they shouldn't be afloat in the first place.
If it wasn't for Super League, both Wests and the Tigers wouldn't exist anymore. In hindsight, is that REALLY such a bad thing??
I would much prefer two clubs that potentially offer more than they do to be in the present competition. (eg. Gold Coast, 2nd New Zealand team, maybe Adelaide or Perth, Central Coast, a wandering NSW Country team).
All of these teams would have far more to offer than the aforementioned wastes of space. You can include Souths in that as well.

The only bad thing Super League failed to do was rid this competition of teams that are propped up by the success of others.

Suity

 

[El Diablo]

How does a coach make a difference to a scoreline with 11 minutes to go. I am pretty sure he didn't go and tell Cariage to kick the ball back to them at half-time. Agreed having Cariage on the field wasn't the best thing however once a game is that far into the clock a coach has SFA to do with the fact they lost it unless he was on the field. He cannot change the mindset of a team aside from sending messages and changing players.....

Please Misty argue with me better than that! ;-)

Didn't he take John Simon off because he went for a field goal?

 

[The Colonel]

Tragic memories but I thought it was because he was starting to struggle in defence.

 

[El Diablo]

Tragic memories but I thought it was because he was starting to struggle in defence.

I thought it was because he missed that f/g. Either way you don't take the playmaker off and leave Carige on.