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[hineyrulz]

Yeah my ads have Penis's all over them!

Well you have been dealing with Pou lately.

 

[84 Baby]

I don't know how they passed high school let alone university

same could be said for some builders and tradies

I’d say the answer for the overwhelming majority of them would be they didn’t.

 

[Gronk]

If someone's installing cheap appliances/air cons/light fittings. Things you can see then id stay away. It shows what type of tradies are on the projects or how saving money.

Have you ever bought a new apartment ? The quality of finishes are most often a choice by the Purchaser at the time of buying off the plan. If they are not offered a choice, often they are compiled to their target market.

Investors, after often pragmatic about what they put in their investment properties. Sometimes stone benchtops, Smeg appliances and engineered timber floors don't yield much more rent than lower quality, where lesser quality are probably more robust and can deal with the abuse (commercial grade carpets, laminex benches).

 

[hindy111]

@Suitman @Gary Gutful I enjoyed your input on this. Not just arguing for the sake of it. Maybe the best convo I've had on here in a few months.

 

[Gronk]

Dodgy lebanese builder is being held accountable. He now reckons he’s coming back to fix defects. Bet he doesn’t

A yellow Lambo, gangs and a vendetta: The downfall of the 'number one builder on Earth'

Jean Nassif has left a trail of defect-riddled apartment buildings in his wake, but in an exclusive interview with the ABC, he says he's the number one builder on Earth and that he's been hunted out of Australia by powerful figures.

www.abc.net.au

Fun fact: these days banks don’t grant loans to these guys until they hit some KPIs. Most importantly they need to achieve a certain number of presales before the the bank will allow the loan to be formally approved. It is a condition precedent and usually requires up to 75% of the apartments sold or a $$ of consolidated sale prices.

So said dodgy lebanese builder ^^^^ has a daughter who is a lawyer. She acted for daddy on the sale of the off the plan apartments. The bank caught her out producing fake exchanged contracts in an effort to meet presale numbers. Dats fraud, Princess.

Update for Nassif’s glam daughter accused of $150m scam

There has been a new development for a fugitive property developer’s glamorous daughter accused of a $150m bank scam.

au.news.yahoo.com

 

[Gary Gutful]

Smeg appliances

Is that what you have at your place?

 

[Gronk]

Is that what you have at your place?

What I have at my place is “whatever my wife wants” brand.

 

[Suitman]

@Suitman @Gary Gutful I enjoyed your input on this. Not just arguing for the sake of it. Maybe the best convo I've had on here in a few months.

We made sense and didn't pretend to know everything that others pretend to know and be experts about.
Myself, personally, I just shared my experiences.
The time that you have spent in your trade, and the comments you shared with us, absolutely made sense.
I am quite often disappointed at the lack of respect you receive here at times.
You are way smarter than many give you credit for.
You are also not a dickhead or smartarse or "Wannabe Know it All", like several others.

 

[Chipmunk]

I don't really do domestic anymore but I can't compete price wise and I am a one man band.

What do you charge per hour?

 

[Chipmunk]

Don't get so cocky mate.
On this very deck I showed you a photo of, I had to sack an engineer who was engaged by the client who honestly didn't have a clue. I'm serious.
Some of the stuff he designed was embarrassing. Let me give you some examples.

- He insisted that we insert the 6 mtr tall timber posts 1.5 metres into concrete piers. (what happens to the deck when the timber posts rot out?) I told him I would not build this structure like this, so he came up with an even worse solution.
- Knee bracing to the posts and beams when I refused to insert the timber posts into the concrete piers and insisted on keeping the posts above ground level.
- He did not accept my advice to use diagonal and tensioned metal bracing as opposed to the knee bracing, which looks like absolute shit and was done away with in the 80's.

As it turned out, my engineer approved my adjustments to the previous engineer's designs. Nothing dodgy. He just knows that I know how to build a simple construction as a deck. It ain't hard.
Not all engineer's know what they are talking about. Every trade/industry has their dodgy hopeless people. Engineer's included.

Do you know what would cause a leak in the roof in a Class 10 sunroom, where it meets the original house?

 

[Suitman]

Do you know what would cause a leak in the roof in a Class 10 sunroom, where it meets the original house?

There could be many causes.
What a vague question.

 

[Chipmunk]

There could be many causes.
What a vague question.

True, and everyone, who supposedly knows what they're doing, seems to come up with a different answer when they look at it.

It is rather annoying to be honest.

 

[Suitman]

What do you charge per hour?

That's none of your business tbh.
Would you tell @hindy111 what you earn? I doubt it.
And what he charges per/hr is nothing like what he would earn in the long run in his pocket. I am the same.
Public Liability insurance, superannuation, workers compensation, equipment updates and maintenance, travel times, quotation times, fuel, tolls, holiday off time, sick days, wet weather days (the list goes on) are all overheads that have to be factored into tradesman's rates. Yet, when a plumber or electrician charges $120 - S140 an hour, the general public scream blue murder and think tradies are ripping them off.
The general public can either pay up, for a proper, insured quality licenced tradie, or they can go the cheap route and suffer the consequnces.

 

[Suitman]

True, and everyone, who supposedly knows what they're doing, seems to come up with a different answer when they look at it.

It is rather annoying to be honest.

Well I doubt that they all know what they are doing.

 

[Chipmunk]

That's none of your business tbh.
Would you tell @hindy111 what you earn? I doubt it.
And what he charges per/hr is nothing like what he would earn in the long run in his pocket. I am the same.
Public Liability insurance, superannuation, workers compensation, equipment updates and maintenance, travel times, quotation times, fuel, tolls, holiday off time, sick days, wet weather days (the list goes on) are all overheads that have to be factored into tradesman's rates. Yet, when a plumber or electrician charges $120 - S140 an hour, the general public scream blue murder and think tradies are ripping them off.
The general public can either pay up, for a proper, insured quality licenced tradie, or they can go the cheap route and suffer the consequnces.

Don't trades people in Sydney like electricians just charge you per hour plus the cost of whatever the parts are?

Thats the way my bills come in Canberra.

 

[Suitman]

You didn't answer my question??
Why is it your business to know what @hindy111 charges per hour?

Are you prepared to tell us all what your income is?
Why should hindy111 or anyone else tell you that information?

You also didn't comment on the information I provided as to why tradies may seem expensive. The overheads are horrendous, but I suppose that it is only people who run their own business's who understand this.

 

[King-Gutho94]

That's none of your business tbh.
Would you tell @hindy111 what you earn? I doubt it.
And what he charges per/hr is nothing like what he would earn in the long run in his pocket. I am the same.
Public Liability insurance, superannuation, workers compensation, equipment updates and maintenance, travel times, quotation times, fuel, tolls, holiday off time, sick days, wet weather days (the list goes on) are all overheads that have to be factored into tradesman's rates. Yet, when a plumber or electrician charges $120 - S140 an hour, the general public scream blue murder and think tradies are ripping them off.
The general public can either pay up, for a proper, insured quality licenced tradie, or they can go the cheap route and suffer the consequnces.

Tools and materials have gone up in 12 months.

Yet in lots of residential work some refuse to pay up.

I won't mention a certain nationality but certainly my brother who is a plumber won't do anymore residential work for them as it's hard enough getting the $$$ out of them after the job is complete and they want it justified. Not worth the hassle.

At least with commercial maintenance which is where I work in your guaranteed payment.

You do get some stumbling blocks with some councils with variations after quotes approvals but at the end of the day they get approved as well as job needs to be done.

I do laugh though some quotes we put out midway last year some clients just left it sitting there probs with budget. Then 9 months later ask us if it's still valid or to send in a revised one again. With materials gone up and the dilly dallying from them to make a decision it's cost them more now for a job to get done then it would have been 9 months ago.

Throw in the extra admin work to type up a revised quote it's not a 5 min job.

 

[Chipmunk]

You didn't answer my question??
Why is it your business to know what @hindy111 charges per hour?

Are you prepared to tell us all what your income is?
Why should hindy111 or anyone else tell you that information?

You also didn't comment on the information I provided as to why tradies may seem expensive. The overheads are horrendous, but I suppose that it is only people who run their own business's who understand this.

Isn't he in a business that sells a service? Surely every random who asks him for a quote gets to know how much he is charging?

I never ever said that I felt tradies were expensive, so I didn't feel I needed to respond to that comment, as it wasn't relevant.

 

[Chipmunk]

I do laugh though some quotes we put out midway last year some clients just left it sitting there probs with budget. Then 9 months later ask us if it's still valid or to send in a revised one again. With materials gone up and the dilly dallying from them to make a decision it's cost them more now for a job to get done then it would have been 9 months ago.

Throw in the extra admin work to type up a revised quote it's not a 5 min job.

Are these government or large corporations? If so, no one cares, as it is isn't their money.

 

[Chipmunk]

Well I doubt that they all know what they are doing.

I don't think any of them actually know they're doing or what the issue is, that is what is annoying.