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hindy111

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Loose unit's gone even crazier. Raising the wall does nothing to protect the area from floods, unless they also change their current apparent reluctance to start to open the flood gates in advance of the overflow.

Hard not to suspect it's not just about promoting more development on that floodplain...



Yes heaps of land can be developed if wall is raised and that why its being raised. It won't be classified flood zone.
 

the phantom menace

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Just crazy stuff... as well as announcing it during all this El Nino downpours and thinking people will believe him about the dam height being a factor for flood safety.

The LNP might do a few crazy things like this in the next few months before the election, if they're sensing that their time in government is up.
 

Bandwagon

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This has been the plan for ages. I think they wna develop all that space where they did the rowing for Olympics or around there. Near the reggata centre I think it is

Yeah, the thing is we keep doing this shit, some merkins make some money, then we get a natural disaster, and a heap of poor merkins need bailing out on account of they've trusted that the block of land they're building on is good to go and they've mortgaged themselves to the hilt to do it.

So we bail them out and then do the same thing again, with the same result. Because we are dumb.
 

hindy111

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Yeah, the thing is we keep doing this shit, some merkins make some money, then we get a natural disaster, and a heap of poor merkins need bailing out on account of they've trusted that the block of land they're building on is good to go and they've mortgaged themselves to the hilt to do it.

So we bail them out and then do the same thing again, with the same result. Because we are dumb.

Oh. I wasn't sure what you where talking about. Yes it is dumb.
 

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OK you're being vague again. I made a comment about a country having the sovereign right to defend merkin invaders and how they should not be expected to just bend over and give up territory.

So I'm keen to know why you have a different view and in particular why Ukraine should. Also unsure why other countries are "at fault" here. The Ukraine seeking inclusion into Nato spooked Putin into action, as Nato have a long held policy that an attack against a Nato country is an attack against all Nato Countries.

This May BBC report pretty much predicted what Russia would do. Low and behold last week they held a "referendum" just like they did for Crimea and just took the land. Last week they declared that the Donbas is Russian land for ever...

I suspect that Odessa is next on the hit list to deny Ukraine access to the Black Sea. Ukraine supply the world with Forty percent of the World Food Program's wheat supplies and are shipped out via Odessa.


Russia's leader refused to call it an invasion or a war. Moscow continues to coin Europe's biggest war since 1945 a "special military operation".

The claims of Nazis and genocide in Ukraine are completely unfounded but part of a narrative repeated by Russia for years. "It's crazy, sometimes not even they can explain what they are referring to," complained Ukraine's foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba.

However, an opinion piece by state-run news agency Ria Novosti made clear that "denazification is inevitably also de-Ukrainisation" - in effect erasing the modern state.

And it is Russia that is now accused by the international community of carrying out war crimes. Several countries including the US and Canada go further and call it genocide.

After so much destruction, the Russian leader's words ring very hollow now: "It is not our plan to occupy the Ukrainian territory; we do not intend to impose anything on anyone by force."

Map showing areas of Ukraine currently under Russian control

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How have Putin's aims changed?​

A month into the invasion, Russia pulled back from Kyiv and declared its main goal was the "liberation of Donbas" - broadly referring to Ukraine's eastern regions of Luhansk and Donetsk. More than a third of this area was already seized by Russian proxy forces in a war that began in 2014, now Russia wanted to conquer all of it.
The Kremlin claimed it had "generally accomplished" the aims of the invasion's first phase, which it defined as considerably reducing Ukraine's combat potential. But it became clear from Russia's withdrawal that it had scaled back its ambitions.
"Putin needs a victory," said Andrei Kortunov, head of the Russian International Affairs Council. "At least he needs something he can present to his constituency at home as a victory."
Russian officials are now focused on seizing the two big eastern regions and creating a land corridor along the south coast, east from Crimea to the Russian border. They have claimed control of the southern region of Kherson and a leading Russian general has said they have hopes of seizing territory further west along the Black Sea coast towards Odesa and beyond.
"Control over the south of Ukraine is another way out to Transnistria," said Maj Gen Rustam Minnekayev, referring to a breakaway area of Moldova, where Russia has some 1,500 troops.



Map showing the Russian military advance into Ukraine in the south

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If Russia does capture both eastern regions, it will most likely try to annexe them after a sham vote, as it did with Crimea in 2014. Ukraine also accuses occupying forces in Kherson of planning a referendum on creating separatist entity: they are already introducing Russia's currency, the rouble, from 1 May.
I have no doubt Putin is an utter merkin. But he is not the only utter merkin in the world.

Im sure this is mostly about russia wanting to keep nato away from its borders. From what ive read it was agreed nato would never go further east of germany when the cold war ended. Maybe that agreement wasnt worth the paper it was written on. Ive also read that nato never had any intention of letting ukraine in, but strung it along for a good time to poke the bear.

Heres a decent discussion about neo nazis in ukraine. It may be a convenient excuse, but its not a lie.

People used to write lots of articles about how concerning their emergence was, but suddenly those stopped. Seems the media (or whoever pulls the medias strings) stopped caring when they decided they could be useful .... now the yanks are pouring in billions in weaponary and we all know too well how it usually goes when the USA back a group to fight their battles



 

Bandwagon

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I have no doubt Putin is an utter merkin. But he is not the only utter merkin in the world.

Im sure this is mostly about russia wanting to keep nato away from its borders. From what ive read it was agreed nato would never go further east of germany when the cold war ended. Maybe that agreement wasnt worth the paper it was written on. Ive also read that nato never had any intention of letting ukraine in, but strung it along for a good time to poke the bear.

Heres a decent discussion about neo nazis in ukraine. It may be a convenient excuse, but its not a lie.

People used to write lots of articles about how concerning their emergence was, but suddenly those stopped. Seems the media (or whoever pulls the medias strings) stopped caring when they decided they could be useful .... now the yanks are pouring in billions in weaponary and we all know too well how it usually goes when the USA back a group to fight their battles




No such formal agreement exists, there are provisions in treaties around nukes, because at the time of the breakup of the USSR there were many ( soon to be former member ) states that housed soviet nukes, East Germany and Ukraine principle among these. The US and to be fair Russia were working towards de-nuclearisation and an important part of that was ensuring all these newly independent states held no nukes.

Here's the treaty that's being claimed to hold that agreement...

https://usa.usembassy.de/etexts/2plusfour8994e.htm

To be fair, it's conceded that there was at least the possibility of that being put on the table being offered by the Yanks, so it did form part of the negotiations, for whatever reason it never made it to the final agreement.

Here's an article that in part discusses that.....


Here's an article that discusses the nukes and the US's interest in Ukraine...


You can take from them what you will, personally near everything I read or see on the conflict I take with a grain of salt, the propaganda in this space is next level, and a lot of it is very sophisticated and or extremely well crafted.

There are however some things that are difficult to dispute, like for example the contents of various treaties that are readily available to see if yo care to look.

My position for what it's worth is that Putin has invaded the Ukraine in a move that is indisputably aggressive, and whilst he insists it is "a special operation" regardless it is a military invasion of a sovereign state. In other words a war. And I hold a vehement opposition to war as a solution to anything other than a real, imminent and genuine threat of invasion
 

Gronk

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Talking about grain of salt. Russian troll farms never sleep and are perpetuating the nazi thing.


 

strider

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No such formal agreement exists, there are provisions in treaties around nukes, because at the time of the breakup of the USSR there were many ( soon to be former member ) states that housed soviet nukes, East Germany and Ukraine principle among these. The US and to be fair Russia were working towards de-nuclearisation and an important part of that was ensuring all these newly independent states held no nukes.

Here's the treaty that's being claimed to hold that agreement...

https://usa.usembassy.de/etexts/2plusfour8994e.htm

To be fair, it's conceded that there was at least the possibility of that being put on the table being offered by the Yanks, so it did form part of the negotiations, for whatever reason it never made it to the final agreement.

Here's an article that in part discusses that.....


Here's an article that discusses the nukes and the US's interest in Ukraine...


You can take from them what you will, personally near everything I read or see on the conflict I take with a grain of salt, the propaganda in this space is next level, and a lot of it is very sophisticated and or extremely well crafted.

There are however some things that are difficult to dispute, like for example the contents of various treaties that are readily available to see if yo care to look.

My position for what it's worth is that Putin has invaded the Ukraine in a move that is indisputably aggressive, and whilst he insists it is "a special operation" regardless it is a military invasion of a sovereign state. In other words a war. And I hold a vehement opposition to war as a solution to anything other than a real, imminent and genuine threat of invasion
Absolutely, its a non stop propaganda fest .... and its in all directions ... and our media perpetuate it also.
 

hindy111

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Absolutely, its a non stop propaganda fest .... and its in all directions ... and our media perpetuate it also.

That's the thing. We are so brainwashed to think we arent effected by any of it. Only have to look at social media and all the little doses of attention people are crying out for.
 

Gronk

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What the f**k is the Deep State?
Oooga booga overloads. Pizza shop peodophiles. They were behind the dna altering vaccines, lockdowns. They even manipulate the weather to punish Trump supporting Florida.





Sky News are right into it.

 
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