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Gronk

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Avenger said:
Watch the documentary and give me a review. It was made before AI so you can’t give me that excuse. Oliver Stone isn’t the only one talking. You need perspective and to realise the fascist element of Ukraine.
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With all due respect, I don’t see the point in watching On Fire, when it has been pulled from Netflix and the majority of opinion seems to be..

The problem with ’Ukraine on Fire’, Pavel Shekhtman writes, is that Oliver Stone mechanically illustrates Russian myths and the postulates of Kremlin propaganda that have been foisted on him.

Good on him for getting access, but it would appear that access came with a caveat.


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The problem with ’Ukraine on Fire’, Pavel Shekhtman writes, is that Oliver Stone mechanically illustrates Russian myths and the postulates of Kremlin propaganda that have been foisted on him.
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As for the history of past leaders, Putin puppets, Fascism, Russian minorities / majorities, alleged ethnic cleansing, Russian separatists, strategic Black Sea ports - it is very complex - however nothing justifies encroachment of sovereign borders. Whether it be Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson oblasts or even Kosovo.
 
Bandwagon

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There’s plenty of justification if you weren’t too lazy to consider a different perspective
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Mate, this conflict has been going on for quite some time, there has been ample time for me to get a "different perspective" from plenty of sources.

Assuming I haven't done this upon the basis that I won't watch an hour long video in order to further an internet conversation is a tad arrogant.

Avenger said:
They poked the bear, and they’ll pay the price.
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Yep, that seems a perfectly reasonable justification for invading another country.

Avenger said:
He will, and should reclaim land from Ukraine
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Well yeah, that has always been what this is about. War is always about lands and money. But hey, I hate to burst your bubble, but regardless of which of the many historical perspectives you take, Ukraine is an independent state, it is not Russia's to take as it pleases.

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Ukraine where the overwhelming majority identify as Russian.
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This is just plain false mate. The only places in Ukraine where you could say a majority of the population identify as ethnic Russian are those places the Russians now control, and that certainly wasn't the case prior to the Russians controlling them.
 
Avenger

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Gronk said:
With all due respect, I don’t see the point in watching On Fire, when it has been pulled from Netflix and the majority of opinion seems to be..

The problem with ’Ukraine on Fire’, Pavel Shekhtman writes, is that Oliver Stone mechanically illustrates Russian myths and the postulates of Kremlin propaganda that have been foisted on him.

Good on him for getting access, but it would appear that access came with a caveat.


khpg.org

Oliver Stone’s

The problem with ’Ukraine on Fire’, Pavel Shekhtman writes, is that Oliver Stone mechanically illustrates Russian myths and the postulates of Kremlin propaganda that have been foisted on him.
khpg.org


As for the history of past leaders, Putin puppets, Fascism, Russian minorities / majorities, alleged ethnic cleansing, Russian separatists, strategic Black Sea ports - it is very complex - however nothing justifies encroachment of sovereign borders. Whether it be Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson oblasts or even Kosovo.
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So, you formed an opinion without even watching it, basing it solely on a Reddit post? And I’m the one being called pigheaded?
 
Gronk

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So, you formed an opinion without even watching it, basing it solely on a Reddit post? And I’m the one being called pigheaded?
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<sigh> you know it's not based just on a reddit post.

It is even referenced in papers about manipulation of people through avenues like social media.

A multilingual analysis of pro Russian misinformation on Twitter during the Russian invasion of Ukraine - PMC

The Russian government has long since engaged in an information campaign of propaganda and disinformation as a major part of foreign policy. This has been taken to new heights since the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. In this study, we ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Avenger

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Gronk said:
<sigh> you know it's not based just on a reddit post.

It is even referenced in papers about manipulation of people through avenues like social media.

A multilingual analysis of pro Russian misinformation on Twitter during the Russian invasion of Ukraine - PMC

The Russian government has long since engaged in an information campaign of propaganda and disinformation as a major part of foreign policy. This has been taken to new heights since the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. In this study, we ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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It’s better if you don’t watch it, it’s pure manipulation and evil. Social media only seems effective when it aligns with your own biased arguments anyway.
 
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There’s an ad runnning at the moment where you can match your electricity to renewables for an extra $1 per week. Given that we are consistently told by the iidiot Bowen that renewables are so much cheaper , shouldn’t it be less.

Welcome to the crazy world of the Labor party and Greens.
 
Joshuatheeel

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Delboy said:
There’s an ad runnning at the moment where you can match your electricity to renewables for an extra $1 per week. Given that we are consistently told by the iidiot Bowen that renewables are so much cheaper , shouldn’t it be less.

Welcome to the crazy world of the Labor party and Greens.
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Well it was a report from CSIRO and AEMO’s:


Anyhow, who originally paid for all the coal electricity infrastructure to be set up in Australia, many years ago? One side got a "leg" up in their start up...
 
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