OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[JokerEel]

Well they have a action group. I wanted to know what the locals were worried about.

Just AGL. They own the coal plant and they are going to close it.

Pumped hydro is not pollution. It is just moving water up a hill and then down a hill. So the 3 eyed fish thing is a bit of a stretch.

Also, you need to know some history about “Lake Lyell”. It was purpose built as a water storage facility. It’s not a natural lake.

Lake Lyell is situated on the outskirts of Lithgow approximately 2 and a half hours from Sydney. It was originally built in 1982 by Delta Electricity for the Mount Piper and Wallerawang Power Stations. The capacity is 34500ML with an approximate surface area of 238ha and a maximum water depth of 38m.

About — Lake Lyell Recreation Park

www.lakelyellrecreationpark.com.au

I was taking the piss with the 3 eyed fish

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Well they have a action group. I wanted to know what the locals were worried about.

Just AGL. They own the coal plant and they are going to close it.

Pumped hydro is not pollution. It is just moving water up a hill and then down a hill. So the 3 eyed fish thing is a bit of a stretch.

Also, you need to know some history about “Lake Lyell”. It was purpose built as a water storage facility. It’s not a natural lake.

Lake Lyell is situated on the outskirts of Lithgow approximately 2 and a half hours from Sydney. It was originally built in 1982 by Delta Electricity for the Mount Piper and Wallerawang Power Stations. The capacity is 34500ML with an approximate surface area of 238ha and a maximum water depth of 38m.

About — Lake Lyell Recreation Park

www.lakelyellrecreationpark.com.au

And it's a decent camping and fishing spot. Caught a few trout (and redfin) up there over the years.

 

[bazza]

Well they have a action group. I wanted to know what the locals were worried about.

is it a real action group or astro turfers

 

[Gary Gutful]

Uncle Dick has decided that the pumped hydro is the only way that excess renewable energy can be stored in the future.

I think that painting pumped hydro as an environmental villain and then promoting a nuclear power station as the sensible alternative is pretty reckless.

This is what a small scale battery looks like. When you have a heap of power from wind or solar during the day, you use that power to pump water up the hill. Then perhaps at night or when demand is high, you release from the upper reservoir and produce hydroelectric power.

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I actually think his issue was more about the infrastructure required to build new dams etc, which will definitely have environmental impacts. He's an idiot though to suggest that all new projects would require new dams. There are plenty of opportunities to use existing dams like the Lake Lyell example you provided.

He's also an idiot for trying to paint the worst with respect to hydro and the best with respect to nuclear.

Putting Dick's shitty arguments to one side, there are a lot of people that haven't got their head around the fact that planning and implementing more renewables will result in some impacts. There are several recent renewable projects that have been refused or proponents have walked away because of community concerns about impacts.

Each project should be planned to avoid, minimise and offset impacts in that order of preference, but even well designed projects don't come impact free. It's about whether that impact on balance is acceptable based on the benefits it delivers.

That said, we've made some good progress on renewables in the last 10 years. I hope it continues. Offshore wind will be a game changer.

 

[the phantom menace]

I can't believe we haven't got offshore wind happening in a big way, around Australia.

I noticed it really near to that Little f**king Mermaid statue in Denmark 20 years ago, and it's pretty much a no brainer for Australia given we have so much offshore.

But watch the Dicks of the world try to find and argue reasons against it, plus Dutton and his ilk play it for wedge politics at any opportunity.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I can't believe we haven't got offshore wind happening in a big way, around Australia.

It's coming.

https://minister.dcceew.gov.au/bowen/media-releases/australias-offshore-wind-industry-step-closer-reality

 

[Gronk]

So fire engines were buzzing about our hood last night and I awake to the fire being antisemitism.

Call me a cynic, but drive your car to a dark leafy dead end street nowhere near a synagogue torch your car and spray some shit on the road and arson / insurance fraud won’t be investigated.

Or will it ?

 

[Twizzle]

It's coming.

https://minister.dcceew.gov.au/bowen/media-releases/australias-offshore-wind-industry-step-closer-reality

f**k me, what a nightmare, can you imagine all the dead birds that will be floating in the oceans

Dictator Donny would never support that for the States

 

[Gronk]

f**k me, what a nightmare, can you imagine all the dead birds that will be floating in the oceans

Dictator Donny would never support that for the States

I’m pretty sure The Don said that whales were committing suicide.

 

[Bandwagon]

It's coming.

https://minister.dcceew.gov.au/bowen/media-releases/australias-offshore-wind-industry-step-closer-reality

Yeah, but Dutton has pledged to f**k it off if elected only last week, despite the legislation allowing it to progress to this point being introduced and passed in 2021 by the then Morrison LNP government.

You have to wonder what that kind of announcement does to the plans of those companies bidding. As you'd know there's a lot of money to be spent between now and final approval, and do you as a company move forward now, with the understanding that come the result of the next election you may have just pissed all that money away.

For mine this is deliberate, and undermining any projects that may get a start is the intent. Create enough uncertainty in order to stem the flow of investment into these kinds of projects.

The guy is truly a pox on our nation.

 

[Gronk]

Yeah, but Dutton has pledged to f**k it off if elected only last week, despite the legislation allowing it to progress to this point being introduced and passed in 2021 by the then Morrison LNP government.

You have to wonder what that kind of announcement does to the plans of those companies bidding. As you'd know there's a lot of money to be spent between now and final approval, and do you as a company move forward now, with the understanding that come the result of the next election you may have just pissed all that money away.

For mine this is deliberate, and undermining any projects that may get a start is the intent. Create enough uncertainty in order to stem the flow of investment into these kinds of projects.

The guy is truly a pox on our nation.

Agree, I think it’s also deliberate to try to make renewables the minor partner in power generation as we know that existing coal and new nuclear plants don’t like ramping.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Yeah, but Dutton has pledged to f**k it off if elected only last week, despite the legislation allowing it to progress to this point being introduced and passed in 2021 by the then Morrison LNP government.

You have to wonder what that kind of announcement does to the plans of those companies bidding. As you'd know there's a lot of money to be spent between now and final approval, and do you as a company move forward now, with the understanding that come the result of the next election you may have just pissed all that money away.

For mine this is deliberate, and undermining any projects that may get a start is the intent. Create enough uncertainty in order to stem the flow of investment into these kinds of projects.

The guy is truly a pox on our nation.

Yeah, I was disgusted by it as well but there are a lot of projects with momentum now so it would be hard for him to stop it completely. Once one gets up, it opens the door for others.

But yes if you are looking to invest, or have invested, Potato Head’s comments would be very concerning.

 

[Bandwagon]

Yeah, I was disgusted by it as well but there are a lot of projects with momentum now so it would be hard for him to stop it completely. Once one gets up, it opens the door for others.

But yes if you are looking to invest, Potato Head’s comments would be very concerning.

If I was a traditional Liberal voter, I'd be asking myself where are the Liberal party values here?

Where's the markets' place in this. Banning investment that's there, but putting up taxpayer dollars for the alternative because private capital aint gonna touch it with a barge pole. How does that align with traditional Liberal party policy?

 

[bazza]

I can't believe we haven't got offshore wind happening in a big way, around Australia.

from my readings, proponents of offshore wind from overseas have recommended that Australia not go down that route unless they run out of onshore locations first. Mainly due to ease of build and costs

The geography of Australia is a bit different to Denmark and Britain

 

[bazza]

If I was a traditional Liberal voter, I'd be asking myself where are the Liberal party values here?

Where's the markets' place in this. Banning investment that's there, but putting up taxpayer dollars for the alternative because private capital aint gonna touch it with a barge pole. How does that align with traditional Liberal party policy?

Aren't traditional Liberal Party Values "Helping those that have the means to help themselves"?

 

[the phantom menace]

from my readings, proponents of offshore wind from overseas have recommended that Australia not go down that route unless they run out of onshore locations first. Mainly due to ease of build and costs

The geography of Australia is a bit different to Denmark and Britain

Yes, however we have farmers who are opposed to onshore wind options... for some vague reasons that escape my understanding.

Surely wind turbines are a valid economic opportunity for holders of vast tracks of rural land?

 

[bazza]

Yes, however we have farmers who are opposed to onshore wind options... for some vague reasons that escape my understanding.

Surely wind turbines are a valid economic opportunity for holders of vast tracks of rural land?

still reckon there are plenty of onshore opportunities to do first. Though getting some offshore up and running to get the technical skills would be handy

 

[Gary Gutful]

If I was a traditional Liberal voter, I'd be asking myself where are the Liberal party values here?

Where's the markets' place in this. Banning investment that's there, but putting up taxpayer dollars for the alternative because private capital aint gonna touch it with a barge pole. How does that align with traditional Liberal party policy?

I’m certainly asking myself those very questions.

I still remember the choice words that Turnbull used to describe Dutton in nemesis.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Yes, however we have farmers who are opposed to onshore wind options... for some vague reasons that escape my understanding.

Surely wind turbines are a valid economic opportunity for holders of vast tracks of rural land?

Conservation groups as well.

Proponents are getting better at minimising clearing and rehabilitating impacts during construction, but the level of vegetation removal remains a concern.

The problem is the same as it is with mining. The resource is where it is. You can avoid certain locations but often that greatly reduces the functionality of the project.

It doesn't help that there have been a few hopeless shitbag proponents that have ballsed up their projects and made it harder for others. Some of them seem to have thought that 'renewables' gives them a neckless of immunity.

Federal Government also appears to be in 'computer says no' mode at the moment. They look at shit through a narrow lense.

 

[the phantom menace]