OT: Daniel Anderson

[Poupou Escobar]

What about the fourth amendment?

What's wrong with you merkins?

 

[Suitman]

I do not think he will protect your rights, but I am happy to be proven wrong.

Now that's funny.

Suity

 

[bartman]

What about the fourth amendment?

What's wrong with you merkins?

I wish more people here would plead the fifth sometimes ;-).

 

[mickdo]

Anderson's biggest problem was when continually asked about the teams form in 2009 and how it all came about was to reply that he didn't know

Agree

 

[DeanPay98]

Bob Dwyer was the Wallabies coach for a few years in the early 80's. Then a media show pony called Allan Jones took the job off him. The Wallabies did have some success under Jones, notably the 1984 Grand Slam, but they disappointed at the 1987 World Cup. Eventually, Dwyer got reappointed as Wallabies coach and they entered a golden period from 1989-1994 which included winning the World Cup.

So who knows? Kearney isn't even close to Alan Jones as a coach. Daniel Anderson could come back and coach the Eels to back to back premierships. Politics ruined DA's first stint as Eels coach whereas performances have ruined Kearney's. We'll see.

I'm happy for Kearney if the Eels are winning, but 8 from 38 is still pathetic.

 

[lucablight]

To this day I cannot figure out whether Daniel Anderson is a good coach or not. I enjoy his commentary on the ABC and he seems like he knows his stuff. The exciting style of play he had his warriors and Eels teams playing when they were red hot is amongst the most awesome I've seen from anyone. Unfortunately when his teams were bad they were really bad.
I still remember in 2009 Phil Gould quoted Daniel Anderson as saying he wasn't getting anywhere without Mateo in his team. Then in 2010 Mateo and Inu were let go and their replacements were just tragic. The retention and recruitment decisions made while Daniel Anderson was coach are just mind boggling. Reading between the lines its quite clear that certain players and Anderson did not see eye to eye.
So after taking all that into consideration I really have no idea what to make of his coaching ability but I will say I'll never forget the amazing run we had in 2009 under his watch.

 

[The Colonel]

You can't hang your hat on that Colonel. Of course he contributed to the run in 2009. He picked the team, he motivated the players, he provided the game plans.

No I can't hang my hat on just that. I can hang my hat on his poor recruitment, his lack of motivation of the players in 2010, his letting go of players that had been developed over time at the club to leave us in a position that someone else has had to try and remedy. I can also hang my hat on the poor form of the players that were seemingly put offside by the recruitment policies in 2010. You moan about the loss of Mateo and he was directly responsible for it.

Is Kearney the right bloke for the job? I'm not totally convinced but I would like to see what happens with the promotion of juniors and the current recruitment drive. I am also not sure that cutting a fourth coach since 2007 will do wonders to attract the top players or keep the ones we currently have at the club because they see a distinct lack of stability among the coaching staff.

Anderson is gone and was judged on his coaching direction. Kearney could well be gone as well and if that is the case it too will be based on his coaching direction.

 

[Wally21]

I really thought signing DA was a master stroke and really enjoyed his time at the club. Round 26 and first week of finals v drags in 2009 was a coaching master class. and the "line" that gets trotted out about him not knowing what led to our success is bollocks. bennett trots those lines out all the time. DA is however long gone and we probably need to get over it.
I don't rate Kearney, but we are stuck with him for the time being and if we start to win a few games, i say we just enjoy it.

 

[Wise Old Eel]

I know I have bleated on about this before but the short version of the story is that Daniel Anderson was not wanted here by the new administration. His demise was purely political. Whether people here care to acknowledge that or not, that is their business. His achievements and failures whilst at the Eels were tainted. I am led to believe he had very little say or control on the makeup of the NRL squad regarding recruitment & retention. Paul Osborne (whether directed to or by his own volition) controlled the majority of that side of things.

What DA did achieve in the short time he was here is a testament to his coaching abilities. Not too many coaches would have gotten as far as he did under those circumstances.

Having said that, he is gone. We must move on. Stephen Kearney is the coach. He has been afforded every resource possible and his record [so far] speaks for itself...

WOE

 

[spiderdan]

You can't hang your hat on that Colonel. Of course he contributed to the run in 2009. He picked the team, he motivated the players, he provided the game plans.

concur. it's also a quote that is taken out of context as he also said they weren't training or planning any differently.

he could have been a dick about it and said the players had finally stopped crying about brett finch walking or the players weren't distracted by the off field stuff with the power struggle (as hindmarsh said they were - and that isn't saying hindy was a dick about it but that it wasn't anderson's place to say it).

hopefully the switch can flick soon for sk and the side start playing well.

meanwhile for those of you that are hoops fans, lebron james is putting on a clinic against the celtics so far by early in the 3rd.

 

[The Engineers Room]

What he didn't realise was that the so called ad lib style was the way forward. We went into 2010 hurting from the loss in the GF and tried to go back to a more stable less risky gameplan and didn't work off the back of the support play we had done in 09.

 

[Delboy]

I know I have bleated on about this before but the short version of the story is that Daniel Anderson was not wanted here by the new administration. His demise was purely political. Whether people here care to acknowledge that or not, that is their business. His achievements and failures whilst at the Eels were tainted. I am led to believe he had very little say or control on the makeup of the NRL squad regarding recruitment & retention. Paul Osborne (whether directed to or by his own volition) controlled the majority of that side of things.

What DA did achieve in the short time he was here is a testament to his coaching abilities. Not too many coaches would have gotten as far as he did under those circumstances.

Having said that, he is gone. We must move on. Stephen Kearney is the coach. He has been afforded every resource possible and his record [so far] speaks for itself...

WOE

WOE, if that was correct then we would have not lost Feleti, that was the coaches decision, the board and the CEO wanted to keep him, I have spoken to a number of people involved around that time and signings and targets were his call. He was for instance told Jeremy Smith was available, and apparently said I am working on Carl Webb.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

and his record [so far] speaks for itself...

You might be old, eel, but if you were as wise as you say you are you'd know that his record doesn't speak for itself any more than Hindy's record as captain 'speaks for itself' or Willie Tonga's win record at Parramatta 'speaks for itself'.

To say something speaks for itself is a smug merkin's way of saying they refuse to enter any discusion about a topic because the most superficial conclusion is the only one they want to acknowledge.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What he didn't realise was that the so called ad lib style was the way forward. We went into 2010 hurting from the loss in the GF and tried to go back to a more stable less risky gameplan and didn't work off the back of the support play we had done in 09.

And yet the last three grand finals were won by teams that control the ball. Someone should have told them about the 'way forward'.

Until the rules of the game are changed to support otherwise, the key to success will always be simple footy played at pace.

The ad-lib style of '09 suited the strengths and weaknesses of our roster, and good on Anderson for identifying it, but the roster we had was also highly unsuited for sustained success. In 2010 teams learnt how to combat us and we were f**ked. We had no plan B and couldn't even grind out a win.

 

[boxhead]

He should never have been sacked and that's really the big decision that leaves us where we are now.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He should never have been sacked and that's really the big decision that leaves us where we are now.

I agree, as an outsider looking in, he definitely shouldn't have been sacked.

That said, we don't know the full circumstances surrounding his sacking, so it's best if we let his current lack of employment speak for itself. :shock:

 

[Wise Old Eel]

I agree, as an outsider looking in, he definitely shouldn't have been sacked.

That said, we don't know the full circumstances surrounding his sacking, so it's best if we let his current lack of employment speak for itself. :shock:

:lol: Touché!

Who's to say his reputation amongst the NRL fraternity has not been sullied by those who sought to remove him? Or maybe he has taken himself off the market until the job he wants becomes available? Who knows? I think we will see him coaching again at NRL level in the not so distant future. ;-)

Poupou, if Stephen Kearney is not to be judged on his win/loss record, then how is he to be judged? Do you really believe in this bloke or is it just blind faith in the "current coach"? I seriously see nothing in him or in his influences (over the team) that calls for such staunch support.

WOE

 

[TheParraboy]

:lol: Touché!

Who's to say his reputation amongst the NRL fraternity has not been sullied by those who sought to remove him? Or maybe he has taken himself off the market until the job he wants becomes available? Who knows? I think we will see him coaching again at NRL level in the not so distant future. ;-)

Poupou, if Stephen Kearney is not to be judged on his win/loss record, then how is he to be judged? Do you really believe in this bloke or is it just blind faith in the "current coach"? I seriously see nothing in him or in his influences (over the team) that calls for such staunch support.

WOE

gut feeling? :lol:

 

[Poupou Escobar]

:lol: Touché!

Who's to say his reputation amongst the NRL fraternity has not been sullied by those who sought to remove him? Or maybe he has taken himself off the market until the job he wants becomes available? Who knows? I think we will see him coaching again at NRL level in the not so distant future. ;-)

I wouldn't rule anything out. He always seemed to be a good coach, but I suspect he has interpersonal issues that make him unsuitable.

Poupou, if Stephen Kearney is not to be judged on his win/loss record, then how is he to be judged?

Obviously wins and losses are a factor, but they're not the whole picture.

I thought he did well last year. I thought he proved he could coach, but our results this year definitely dropped my estimation of him.

That doesn't mean I think he deserves the blame for our current form, just like Anderson doesn't deserve the blame for us missing the finals in 2010. And I don't believe that's why he was sacked, nor do I believe it was political, or more to the point, I don't believe it was because he was signed by Fitzgerald.

Do you really believe in this bloke or is it just blind faith in the "current coach"? I seriously see nothing in him or in his influences (over the team) that calls for such staunch support.

WOE

I've seen plenty of things that, put together, show me he's worth keeping. A big one is that he seems to have the confidence of a lot of people whose opinions deserve respect.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Good post Poupou. Well summed up.