Overhauling the domestic season schedule

[Twizzle]

BBL is overall a good thing for cricket, it’s just finding the right balance. We haven’t found it.

yeh, I know it wont go away and a lot of people like it but its past saturation point for mine

the crowds are down and its lost some of its appeal, I cant see them repeating this for another 3 months next season

 

[herbert henry1908]

20/20 is shit but it does bring new fans I guess.
50 over cricket is what needs a bullet really

50 over should be reduced, but I’d still keep it because it’s the only way we can have a real cricket World Cup.

All series should be limited to 3 matches only. (Which seems like it’s starting to happen)

 

[herbert henry1908]

yeh, I know it wont go away and a lot of people like it but its past saturation point for mine

the crowds are down and its lost some of its appeal, I cant see them repeating this for another 3 months next season

It’s 2 months.

I don’t see how they’d reduce it, surely the number of games is built into the TV deal?

As of last night the crowd average is 20,500

For the same period last year it was 22,500

They’d be a little disappointed I guess.

 

[franklin2323]

It’s definitely popular, but so is test cricket still. The TV ratings for the India series have been very strong.

6 test matches in a summer provides almost the same amount of viewing hours as the BBL.

India do rate well. Crowds are down. Even allowing for the issues we will smash SL

Outside of India and England the tests can be poor ratings and crowd wise. BBL has no such issues

 

[herbert henry1908]

India do rate well. Crowds are down. Even allowing for the issues we will smash SL

Outside of India and England the tests can be poor ratings and crowd wise. BBL has no such issues

The crowds weren’t down in comparison to the previous India tours, they’ve actually been up. (For Perth & Adelaide, haven’t checked Melbourne)

They’re only down in comparison to the ashes. But that’s hardly a surprise. Add on the fact the Adelaide match wasn’t a D/N this year.


I would say, though. Cricket Australia have their test match ticket pricing all wrong. They need to be cheaper for non Ashes series.

 

[TheParraboy]

Early October 50 over domestic comp
NSW v combined other states - 3 game series

Rest of October -Sheffield Shield
NSW v combined other states - 3 match series

3 test matches
MCG and SCG + rotate another venue

November to February 4 month
BBL - 10 Team comp (Northern Territory Rocks and Queanbeyan Quackers)

2 test series
top end in August

 

[Valheru]

Does any other country run their domestic T20 competition while they are playing Test Cricket?

England and NZ do and South Africa have on occasion as well.

The timing of the big bash isn't the issue, it is the on trend thing to blame but the issues are deeper.

Not playing shield cricket during the entirety of the test series is not the issue either, after all they can't expect to have shield cricket to play during overseas tours.

 

[Mr Spock!]

yeh, I know it wont go away and a lot of people like it but its past saturation point for mine

the crowds are down and its lost some of its appeal, I cant see them repeating this for another 3 months next season

Yeah I haven't watched any of it.....

 

[Mr Spock!]

Yeah BBL hasn't messed with batting techniques.....

That's ex-test bat George Bailey

 

[Mr Spock!]

Australian BBL cash in lieu of test wins

Most surprising this week is not Australia all out for 150 on an MCG road; it’s the naivety to high performance and player preparation by the senior leaders of the game – a couple of State CEO’s - for our most recent (years long) batting deficiencies (covered heavily by the brilliance of Smith and Warner) and the role they should be playing to positively impact the overall national performance.

Cricket Tasmania CEO, Nick Cummins – a BBL fanboy having been GM of the Thunder and now heavily involved in all aspects of the Hurricanes (list management, communication, recruitment, canteen) and New South Wales Cricket CEO, Andrew Jones – have both publicly put their faith in the BBL, it’s schedule, it’s continued sparkle and the fact that it financially props up the entire world by refusing to acknowledge the notion that it is damaging the preparation of our test batsmen; particularly in the now - this test series v India.

Why can’t they see it? Easy to work out, right?

But let’s be serious, you too would gladly run with the blinded by the cash ulterior-motive that the BBL offers our state CEO’s; whose organisations, and their incomes, are now flush with zero’s from the games mistress, the sponsorship it attracts and the flow of wine, beer and crayfish they devour during the peak xmas/summer season that the extended schedule now engulfs.

I honestly would have thought that this was the type of attitude that the cultural review was set up to identify and resolve: conflicting interests of states and BBL franchises that damage the performance of our national teams. What happened to “One Team”? Great slogan, not realistic it seems.

It is why I feel sorry for Mitch Marsh: picked for the Boxing Day Test, marquee cricket event of the year, scrutiny high; released by CA from the test squad on December 15 to go back into the BBL to lead the Scorchers, where he would spend the next 5 days reverse lapping, bombing over cow and just straight up slogging the shizer out of all the exclusive white balls that were sent in his general direction.

December 20, after 5 days of exclusive white ball slogging, he enters Marvel Stadium, slogs some more, makes three runs and trudges off the ground.

December 21: he now has four days, of which is one is Xmas day, to prepare for the most important test match on Australia’s cricketing calendar. And selfishly for Mitch, the most important of his career.

Will he get access to Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins for the entirety of those four days in centre wicket simulation? No, he’ll get some Siddle in the nets, who holds no comparison to what he’ll face from India, a whole host of net bowlers to feast on, some ramped up bowling machine and some well delivered wanger work.

And then we are all surprised when he tries to take Jadeja over cover on the 21st ball he faced in the second innings when the match situation required extreme patience and a survival first mentality?

Time now to take a knee for Peter Handscomb, the man replaced by Mitch Marsh - and not just because he was replaced Mitch Marsh. For re-selection into the test team, his only avenue to “bang the door down” is to continually pommel 70 off 35 balls in the laff friendly, slog happy, cannibalising the test summer Big Bash League.

Now look at what the Indian batsmen in waiting where doing during their time of non-selection?

Mayank Agarwal, successful test match debut = not slogging a white ball for a week stint and then prep cramming for test match success.

With all the money injected into high performance, with all the coaches, managers, analysts, consultants, executives and experts; how is it possible that collectively they’ve sat around a table and nodded in agreeance that this is the type of preparation that will benefit our test team?

They’ve actually given our touring teams, the opposition, a distinct advantage by stumping up this level of stupid.

Cash is king. The test team’s success is secondary. The culture review was an epic failure.

https://www.todaystale.com/brett-geeves-a__DBaX/australianbblcashinlieuoftestwins-s__fuF7

 

[Bazal]

Yeah BBL hasn't messed with batting techniques.....

That's ex-test bat George Bailey

He started that in First Class and one day cricket...it had nothing to do with the BBL at all.

In fact he didn't even use that stance when he smashed the Hurricanes home last week.

You absolute muppet.

 

[Timbo]

He started that in First Class and one day cricket...it had nothing to do with the BBL at all.

In fact he didn't even use that stance when he smashed the Hurricanes home last week.

You absolute muppet.

Exactly - he created that stance to help with red ball issues.

Try again backyard hero.

 

[Pedge1971]

Early October 50 over domestic comp
NSW v combined other states - 3 game series

Rest of October -Sheffield Shield
NSW v combined other states - 3 match series

3 test matches
MCG and SCG + rotate another venue

November to February 4 month
BBL - 10 Team comp (Northern Territory Rocks and Queanbeyan Quackers)

2 test series
top end in August

Way to kill cricket....

 

[Pedge1971]

England and NZ do and South Africa have on occasion as well.

The timing of the big bash isn't the issue, it is the on trend thing to blame but the issues are deeper.

Not playing shield cricket during the entirety of the test series is not the issue either, after all they can't expect to have shield cricket to play during overseas tours.

Why? They always used to. But agree with you the issue isnt the BBL schedule. It is the impact of T20 on the skillset required to play red ball cricket.

They are 2 very different games and skill sets.

 

[Mr Spock!]

He started that in First Class and one day cricket...it had nothing to do with the BBL at all.

In fact he didn't even use that stance when he smashed the Hurricanes home last week.

You absolute muppet.

Exactly - he created that stance to help with red ball issues.

Try again backyard hero.

Lol....

George Bailey’s disappearance from the national team can be traced to a shocking technique breakdown
There was a time, not long ago, that George Bailey had one of Australia’s finest techniques. Now the veteran can barely hit it off the square.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/crick...n/news-story/e924a52e66f844ee4e7caa6caa001f92

 

[Twizzle]

Rubbish article, he never had a good technique.

His scoring zone was heavily dominated by on side shots and his wagon wheel needed a wheel alignment. He changed his stance to try and score more on the off side and now he cant play a leg glance, or anything backward of square for that matter, to save his life.

A typical case of over compensation.

 

[Bazal]

Lol....

George Bailey’s disappearance from the national team can be traced to a shocking technique breakdown
There was a time, not long ago, that George Bailey had one of Australia’s finest techniques. Now the veteran can barely hit it off the square.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/crick...n/news-story/e924a52e66f844ee4e7caa6caa001f92

So analysing his technique in Shield cricket has what to do with the BBL?

Bailey himself said that the stance was a response to his failings in Shield cricket...

 

[Mr Spock!]

Lol the selectors looking to pick Marsh and Handscomb in the Australia XI to play Sri Lanka because there's no first class cricket.....

"Desperate to help players spend some time in the middle and produce bigger scores, selectors have given strong consideration to including some Test batsmen in the Cricket Australia XI that will face Sri Lanka.

Red-ball specialists currently running drinks in the Big Bash League, including former Test bowlers Jackson Bird and Joe Mennie plus highly-rated NSW batsman Kurtis Patterson, may also be drafted into the CA XI.

Such selections would buck recent tradition around the world. CA and other home boards have generally proffered inexperienced teams for tour games, in the process ensuring the visitors’ tune-up is the antithesis of Test cricket.

Australia just went through a four-Test series at home without a centurion for the first time in history but the major reason for the floated shake-up is likely to be the fact the Sheffield Shield is currently on hold for the BBL.

The tour game, which will be played with a pink ball ahead of the Gabba day-night Test, could also help ensure some members of Australia’s XI have recent pink-ball match experience.

The fixture at Bellerive overlaps with an ODI at the MCG, suggesting one-day squad members Khawaja, Handscomb and the Marsh brothers won’t take part."
"

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/09/australia-sri-lanka-test-series-squad-announcement

 

[typicalfan]

I think the boxing day test and new years test will be gone one day. Replaced probably by international T20 cricket. If the BBL schedule won't budge due to revenue and ratings then this will be the only option I can see working. Have a test series from late October to December and another one in late January/February. Give the MCG the first test of the summer as people will be longing for cricket and put the SCG on Australia Day weekend as part of a Day/Night series where all tests in that series are D/N. Shield operates also during these times with Shield "trials" in early January for red ball specialists and 2nd XI players to get ready for the second test series.

Sounds mad but I don't see it working any other way.

 

[Pete Cash]

It is way too easy to blame the BBL. The issues run much deeper than that. Kids are fast tracked into first class cricket before they are ready. Does anyone think it is insane that Edwards has played for NSW before he has scored a century AT ANY LEVEL. Back in the day young players who got fast tracked were genuinely scoring runs. Ponting was carving it up at every level he was playing at.

It honestly feels like performance managers hope that unearthing a young talent and fast tracking him will prove their position as needed.

If we all think back to 2011 we had just been slaughtered by England in a home ashes and we wanted answers. The argus review introduced our good pal Pat Howard and various changes. What has happened since then ???Well I picked a random date of 1st of august 2011 (I can't remember the exact date the Argus review was handed down) and it doesnt make pretty reading. Sorted by averages

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...al1=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting

Here it is in picture form for anyone too lazy to click a link.

7 Batsmen have averaged over 40 in that time period. Smith, Voges, Hussey, Clarke, Warner, Rodgers and Khawaja. Ricky Ponting who we would all agree was pretty much done by 2011 is the 9th best averaging batsman over that time period.

Smith, Hussey, Rodgers, Clarke and Khawaja debuted before the argus review. Voges was a very experienced player at the time of his selection. Warner was selected in the series directly after the review iirc.

By my count there has been 105 centuries scored in the 8 years or so since the argus review. Smith and Warner have scored 42 percent of them. Smith, Warner and Clarke have scored 55 percent of them.

The entire structure of cricket in Australia has failed. We are just not producing test batsmen any more. Blaming the BBL is missing the forest for the trees