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Pacific Championships 2024

docbrown

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Here's how you can turn them into Saturday night double headers in a post news slot. For the W2 or Final you'd have to shorten the News to half hour or change the host to Australia.

W1:
Aus vs PNG @ Townsville Sat 7:15 EDST
NZ vs Ton @ Auckland Sat 7:15 NZDST

W2:
NZ vs Aus @ Christchurch Sat 8:35 NZDST
PNG vs Ton @ Port Moresby Sat 7:35 PNG

W3:
Aus vs Ton @ Parramatta Sat 7:15 EDST
NZ vs PNG @ Wellington Sat 7:15 NZDST

W4:
Final @ Auckland Sat 8:35 NZDST

You can then have the Bowl games in the afternoon slots. This will work with games hosted in Fiji and the time difference. Make Saturdays 4 games of international football from 2 to 10:30
 
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Brian potter

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Here's how you can turn them into Saturday night double headers in a post news slot. For the W2 or Final you'd have to shorten the News to half hour or change the host to Australia.

W1:
Aus vs PNG @ Townsville Sat 7:15 EDST
NZ vs Ton @ Auckland Sat 7:15 NZDST

W2:
NZ vs Aus @ Christchurch Sat 8:35 NZDST
PNG vs Ton @ Port Moresby Sat 7:35 PNG

W3:
Aus vs Ton @ Parramatta Sat 7:15 EDST
NZ vs PNG @ Wellington Sat 7:15 NZDST

W4:
Final @ Auckland Sat 8:35 NZDST

You can then have the Bowl games in the afternoon slots. This will work with games hosted in Fiji and the time difference. Make Saturdays 4 games of international football from 2 to 10:30
I like it but I think aus v Tonga has to be played in Auckland and PNG must have a home game against either Aussie or NZ in Port Moresby.

maybe play the final in Brisbane too.
 

jim_57

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Here's how you can turn them into Saturday night double headers in a post news slot. For the W2 or Final you'd have to shorten the News to half hour or change the host to Australia.

W1:
Aus vs PNG @ Townsville Sat 7:15 EDST
NZ vs Ton @ Auckland Sat 7:15 NZDST

W2:
NZ vs Aus @ Christchurch Sat 8:35 NZDST
PNG vs Ton @ Port Moresby Sat 7:35 PNG

W3:
Aus vs Ton @ Parramatta Sat 7:15 EDST
NZ vs PNG @ Wellington Sat 7:15 NZDST

W4:
Final @ Auckland Sat 8:35 NZDST

You can then have the Bowl games in the afternoon slots. This will work with games hosted in Fiji and the time difference. Make Saturdays 4 games of international football from 2 to 10:30

I’d imagine with the government funding they’d want at least a couple of games in PNG. IF the PNG NRL side is going to happen there’s a fair chance we’d know by then, 2 home games against NZ/Australia/Tonga would be huge for them.

Of the 7 games I’d go with 3 in NZ, 2 in Australia & 2 in PNG. NZ V Tonga in Auckland and NZ & Tonga get another home/“home” game each in the pools, PNG host 2 pool games, Australia host 1 pool game and the final.

Australia V Tonga - Sydney
PNG V NZ - Port Moresby

NZ V Australia - Christchurch
Tonga V PNG - Auckland

PNG V Australia - Port Moresby
NZ V Tonga - Auckland

Final - Melbourne (Contractual obligation to play one game there I believe).
 

jim_57

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Also it’d be good to see some warm up games next year week between Grand Final and the start. Tonga V Samoa an obvious one.

Tonga V Samoa
PNG V Fiji/France
Australia V Lebanon
NZ V France/Fiji
England V Ireland/Wales

Looks pretty good with no double ups, won’t happen but maybe one or 2 of those might.
 

Wb1234

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Excellent news

it will now be a four nation tournament

I wonder if they add lebanon to the bowl potentially ?
 

Perth Red

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Terrible news. Samoa are such pussys lol Oh well enjoy getting smashed by NZ and Aus again in the same old grounds you normally play in when you could have been enjoying the lifetime experience of an overseas tour.
 

Brian potter

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Terrible news. Samoa are such pussys lol Oh well enjoy getting smashed by NZ and Aus again in the same old grounds you normally play in when you could have been enjoying the lifetime experience of an overseas tour.
Probably more money to be made staying down under.

england should head down under and play in tournament against PNG, Fiji and Cook Islands.
 

Coastbloke

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Looks like Samoa have decided to become delusional and overstate their importance lol. Invite Fiji or PNG..
 

Coastbloke

Bench
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Herin lies the problem. Pac C’ships locked in because of NRL’s ownership of the International game. England has to fight for the scraps.

I’d be delighted with Toulouse in ESL for a additional batch of professional French players and have a annual England/France/Wales (admittedly mostly heritage players for Wales) Trinations when no Roos/NZ/WCs
 

yakstorm

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I wonder if PNG might consider touring in Samoa's place? If Fiji is set to host the Bowl games & PNG misses out on going up to the Cup, there is possibly more value in the Kumuls playing England versus just playing the likes of Fiji & the Cook Islands again.
 

Wb1234

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Herin lies the problem. Pac C’ships locked in because of NRL’s ownership of the International game. England has to fight for the scraps.

I’d be delighted with Toulouse in ESL for a additional batch of professional French players and have a annual England/France/Wales (admittedly mostly heritage players for Wales) Trinations when no Roos/NZ/WCs
No second French club

killing off Toronto (and with it ottowa and nyc)

you reap what you sow
 

siv

First Grade
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Samoa/Tonga should have to play PNG for a spot in the top tier.
All three should be in the Top Tier along with Fiji

6 out of 8 were RLWC quarter finalists

The auto qualification process needs a revamp and should be reduced to 2 finalists plus the hosts
 

LeagueXIII

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Not saying this is a good or a bad thing but if France come down next year to play in the 2nd tier it pretty much seals the ARLC/NRL’s control over International Rugby League.

I’m sure they won’t bother themselves too much with the schedule of the likes of Netherlands or Jamaica and leave that to the relevant governing bodies but they’ll be essentially controlling the schedule of the top 10 nations if that is the schedule. Which is conveniently the likely 10 nations that will make up the World Cup as well.
Pretty much spot on. The NRL will only go where the money is.
 

taste2taste

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Interesting article about the possibilitie of the USA being involved in the pacific championship

As the International Rugby League (IRL) ponders whether to tweak the Pacific Championships in 2024, it’s interesting to note that another option focused on fostering rugby league’s growth in the Pacific Islands was first put to the international governing body back in 2018.

The US Association of Rugby League (USARL) Inc, then executive director Stephen Williams submitted its Rugby League World Cup Pasifika concept proposal to the Rugby League International Federation (RLIF), as the IRL was known then, when it became clear to both he and former USARL chairman Peter Illfield that a plan for the United States and Canada to host #RLWC2025 didn’t have legs.

At the RLIF congress in 2016, the international governing body had approved a submission by Moore Sports International (MSI) to host the event in North America in 2025, despite the USARL voicing concerns that it was a volunteer-based organization with no financial support. Later, MSI’s #RLWC2025 plan was shelved when its England versus New Zealand game in Denver in 2018 turned into a financial bust.

It was supposed to have been the first of a three-year series between those two countries designed to whet the appetite of North American sports fans and attract them to rugby league. The plan was to then establish a professional league in North America with the longer-term goal of hosting the 2025 World Cup.

Soon after it became apparent that #RLWC2025 North America was a dud, Williams devised an alternative proposal in which the US was guaranteed to be an active host. The idea was drawn from his own experiences as team communications manager with the USA Hawks’ #RLWC2017 campaign when the Americans were based in North Queensland and Papua New Guinea.

At the time, the Rugby League World Cup Pasifika was based on a seven-year lead-up to #RLWC2025. The concept’s business goal was to increase revenue for the IRL while providing financial support for the Pacific Islands region. The sales and marketing objectives included promoting awareness of rugby league globally using the Pacific Islands ‘Pasifika’ central theme to promote rugby league as a positive influence on people’s lives.

Williams said the strategy was to increase visibility and participation by delivering a vibrant 2025 Rugby League World Cup that celebrated and highlighted the history of Polynesian and Micronesian cultures. It would include how rugby league promotes elite pathways, positive leadership, healthy living, family values and balanced lifestyle choices.
With the scrapping of the North America World Cup, the IRL led their own submission for France to host #RLWC2025. However, that decision has since turned into a logistical nightmare with the French government unexpectedly reducing funding which prompted FFRXIII to withdraw as hosts in May of this year.

Their surprise withdrawal left the IRL scrambling to figure out what to do about the 2025 World Cup, as well as its international calendar. Consequently, the game’s big dance has been pushed back to 2026, and the Oceania Cup rebranded as the Pacific Championships, was played in October and early November.

But maybe because of their hasty scheduling, or perhaps due to other planning issues, the southern championships were not as successful as the governing body had hoped. They did not attract the big crowds that organizers had envisaged, and the games themselves were not the most competitive. As a result, the IRL is considering changing things up for next year’s championships to make them more appealing to fans and more competitive for the nations involved.

Williams says he believes the Pasifika concept submitted in 2018 was sound, both financially and for growing the code with sellout games being played in New Zealand, Tonga, Fiji, Samoa and Papua New Guinea, plus there would also be matches hosted in Hawaii to, “guarantee USA participation while providing a measured entry into the USA.”
Pasifika concept allocated games to all six countries. Each member nation’s administration would get $100,000 per game hosted by that country and more for the semifinals and the final, with a total of $4.1 million being paid out for all 31 matches played.
The blueprint also outlined ways to maximize major sponsorship and advertising opportunities by targeting businesses in the Pacific region, such as telecommunications companies, airlines, hotel resort groups and more.
It suggested the broadcast rights would exceed the $10 million paid by Australia’s 7 Network for #RLWC2017 and would continue the IRL’s strategy of building up the Oceania Cup, as it was then, into a profitable event and capitalize on the results of 2017, namely Tonga and Fiji both beating New Zealand.
As part of the overall strategy, the proposal included setting up a Pasifika leadership group of ex-players who would work with participating nations and volunteers to oversee funding and deliver rugby league programs. Among the players named were Benji Marshall (NZ), Petero Civoniceva (Fiji), Frank Puletua (Samoa) and Adrian Lamb (PNG).
Williams put the plan to RLIF officials but says he got only lukewarm responses.
“When I submitted it, they weren’t taking formal submissions,” he tells Rugby League Planet. “It was a concept proposal that was submitted with real concern over the pathway they were going down because they’d been guaranteed they would be getting $15 million for the World Cup, and that was what really mattered to them.
“But there was no money, and that was a real problem. It was evident to many of us earlier than it was to some others, and as a result, that proposal was written to say a) okay, this is a good idea, so could somebody please acknowledge that; and b) this should be considered seriously in anticipation that this does not pan out and we should plan for it.”
Williams goes on to say that everything about the Pasifika concept was thought through carefully, considering how it could produce a financial return but also guarantee the US as a host nation.
“To me, that’s the most important component,” he says. “Instead of trying to go into the US and knock it out of the park with a World Cup where you’ve got a number of host cities and the game’s trying to expand and be promoted to a US audience, which would cost you a fortune, you could have a measured entry into Hawaii.

“The US gets to participate. You get to guarantee that the US is going to be a host nation with TV rights, so you can work to get that broadcast deal six years out. Seven years gives the IRL and NRL time to focus on Hawaii and implement proper player pathway systems that can produce elite talent in time for the event.
“All the countries that participate in the Pasifika that are part of the Polynesian-Micronesian corridor would easily agree that the World Cup was going to bring ex amount of dollars into the economy, and for certain countries like Fiji and Samoa, they can then get the upgrades to stadiums and facilities that they need seven years out to make sure they’re ready for the World Cup just like PNG has been able to do.”
Williams says the lead in time is a critical factor ahead of any World



 
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yakstorm

First Grade
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The Pacific Championship isn't an IRL event, so it won't be them who decide to tweak the competition.

If the USA is added to the tournament, it will be an NRL decision. Considering the NRL & USARL are talking in the lead up to Vegas, it's not impossible.

Would love to see the tournament introduce a third tier for the likes of Vanuatu, Solomon Islands, Philippines, Japan, Canada, etc.
 
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