Pacific Islander owned 18th NRL club.

[MugaB]

I think its a legit question we need to be asking given the NRL's current stance on not investing any thing extra in new markets. That means any new market is going to have to stand on its own and generate around $15mill a year. Its a dumb decision imo that limits the games longer term growth but it is what it is for now.
Of Wellington and Christchurch as locations for a NZ2 club which is most likely to be able to generate that sort of revenue from corporates, fans and investors?

Yeah.. its as legit as talking about the new AFL broadcast rights in a pasifika thread...
We get it PR, you want a perth team duh... its been shoved down throats on nearly every expansion thread.. that and as much as you hate PVL... its getting repetitive

 

[Colk]

Yeah.. its as legit as talking about the new AFL broadcast rights in a pasifika thread...
We get it PR, you want a perth team duh... its been shoved down throats on nearly every expansion thread.. that and as much as you hate PVL... its getting repetitive

I’ll get it back on thread. It might work if it is based in New Zealand with a couple of games in say Fiji or PNG.

Benefits would be timezone difference for scheduling and TV as well as potentially giving another avenue for Pacific Islander players.

The biggest hurdle is marketing. You also wouldn’t want to take support away from the Warriors. Also, would it be easier to just directly fund investment into the Pacific Islands rather than setting up a new side.

Personally I’d much prefer a South Island because you could generate an instant rivalry with the Warriors which could benefit both.

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah.. its as legit as talking about the new AFL broadcast rights in a pasifika thread...
We get it PR, you want a perth team duh... its been shoved down throats on nearly every expansion thread.. that and as much as you hate PVL... its getting repetitive

funny you're the one talking about it now lol. Whatever you feel the motivation behind it the question remains relevant to every expansion thread on every bid. Can they be financially sustainable in the market they are looking at? And if we are talking about NZ2, or more specifically a pasifika style club, is it better to be based in wellington or christchurch from a need to generate $15mill a year revenue point of view?

 

[MugaB]

funny you're the one talking about it now lol. Whatever you feel the motivation behind it the question remains relevant to every expansion thread on every bid. Can they be financially sustainable in the market they are looking at? And if we are talking about NZ2, or more specifically a pasifika style club, is it better to be based in wellington or christchurch from a need to generate $15mill a year revenue point of view?

Yeah that's all fine regarding sustainability...
It's the consistent tix you keep trying to sell perth ... in every thread.. like i said its tiresome, repetitive, and getting to the point where id rather not see it happen just coz you've advertised it so badly

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Surely there would be more capital in Wellington than Christchurch?

An Austronesian themed club would appeal to Austronesians living all around the world -- there are 386 million of them -- but very few would become active supporters.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austronesians languages

If it's just a South Pacific islander themed side then that nber dwindles significantly. There are just 2.5 million Polynesians.

Polynesians - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

There are 11.5 million Melanesians.

Population of Melanesia (2024) - Worldometer

Melanesia Population: current, historical, and projected population, growth rate, immigration, median age, total fertility rate (TFR), population density, urbanization, urban population, country's share of world population, and global rank. Data tables, maps, charts, and live population clock

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We already have Melanesian teams in the Queensland Cup and NSW Cup providing a valuable pathway for rugby league players from PNG and Fiji.

I don't think a racially exclusive team at the professional level can work a there's just not enough people to make provide the money that it'll need to succeed. There's just 880k Polynesians in New Zealand.

 

[MugaB]

Surely there would be more capital in Wellington than Christchurch?

An Austronesian themed club would appeal to Austronesians living all around the world -- there are 386 million of them -- but very few would become active supporters.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austronesians languages

If it's just a South Pacific islander themed side then that nber dwindles significantly. There are just 2.5 million Polynesians.

Polynesians - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

There are 11.5 million Melanesians.

Population of Melanesia (2024) - Worldometer

Melanesia Population: current, historical, and projected population, growth rate, immigration, median age, total fertility rate (TFR), population density, urbanization, urban population, country's share of world population, and global rank. Data tables, maps, charts, and live population clock

www.worldometers.info

We already have Melanesian teams in the Queensland Cup and NSW Cup providing a valuable pathway for rugby league players from PNG and Fiji.

I don't think a racially exclusive team at the professional level can work a there's just not enough people to make provide the money that it'll need to succeed. There's just 880k Polynesians in New Zealand.

880k is still a fair lot of people, im sure there is a lot less in townsville following the cowboys...
I dont think it should be a racially motivated club... it just needs clear pathways from those regions, can still contract whoever they want, DCE, foran, Cleary etc,
.. New Zealand has to be the base for it, it has the population and all islands can converge there... and yes a game in fiji per year would be interesting maybe as trials.. but a team that represents those community/regions would be something special... watching the Pasifika tests as the team all huddle in prayer circles.. most clubs now do it after the game, i see penrith do it and have opposition players join it too... just shows the unity of their unique cultures.. its amazing to watch

 

[flippikat]

Whatever the choice for that inevitable 18th team, the NRL needs to ACT NOW and identify what it's direction is.

I'm not necessarily saying they should pick a bid or a location NOW (although that would give a lot of certainty, and tons of lead-in time), but gees.. at least some indication of what the NRL wants to achieve with the 18th club.

Is it to maximise TV revenue?

Is it to open up pathways for talent from an under-utilised junior pool?

Is it to expand the game into AFL territory?

Is it to provide a rivalry/derby for an existing club & leverage the opportunities that brings?

Basically - what's the point here?

The NRL has been "thinking out loud" about many of these issues - and depending on what they say at any given time, it sounds as if their thinking sways with the wind.

But it's about damn time they put a stake in the ground and said "THIS is why we need team 18, and THESE are the benefits we plan to gain from it.", which should guide & inform the actual decision.

 

[Perth Red]

Whatever the choice for that inevitable 18th team, the NRL needs to ACT NOW and identify what it's direction is.

I'm not necessarily saying they should pick a bid or a location NOW (although that would give a lot of certainty, and tons of lead-in time), but gees.. at least some indication of what the NRL wants to achieve with the 18th club.

Is it to maximise TV revenue?

Is it to open up pathways for talent from an under-utilised junior pool?

Is it to expand the game into AFL territory?

Is it to provide a rivalry/derby for an existing club & leverage the opportunities that brings?

Basically - what's the point here?

The NRL has been "thinking out loud" about many of these issues - and depending on what they say at any given time, it sounds as if their thinking sways with the wind.

But it's about damn time they put a stake in the ground and said "THIS is why we need team 18, and THESE are the benefits we plan to gain from it.", which should guide & inform the actual decision.

That would require some modicum of long term strategy lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Whatever the choice for that inevitable 18th team, the NRL needs to ACT NOW and identify what it's direction is.

I'm not necessarily saying they should pick a bid or a location NOW (although that would give a lot of certainty, and tons of lead-in time), but gees.. at least some indication of what the NRL wants to achieve with the 18th club.

Is it to maximise TV revenue?

Is it to open up pathways for talent from an under-utilised junior pool?

Is it to expand the game into AFL territory?

Is it to provide a rivalry/derby for an existing club & leverage the opportunities that brings?

Basically - what's the point here?

The NRL has been "thinking out loud" about many of these issues - and depending on what they say at any given time, it sounds as if their thinking sways with the wind.

But it's about damn time they put a stake in the ground and said "THIS is why we need team 18, and THESE are the benefits we plan to gain from it.", which should guide & inform the actual decision.

I think we need at least one Sydney club to relocate to Adelaide. That opens up room for Perth, NZ 2 and Bris 3 so we can have a proper footprint across Australia and New Zealand. If we do that then our footprint will be better than AwFuL's.

 

[Perth Red]

I think we need at least one Sydney club to relocate to Adelaide. That opens up room for Perth, NZ 2 and Bris 3 so we can have a proper footprint across Australia and New Zealand. If we do that then our footprint will be better than AwFuL's.

might be ideal but will never happen. There is no will from the NRL and no need from the clubs.

 

[flippikat]

That would require some modicum of long term strategy lol

And a Chairman, CEO & board with some guts to be honest

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

might be ideal but will never happen. There is no will from the NRL and no need from the clubs.

If they reduced the annual grant to only cover the salary cap then Cronulla would be stuffed.

 

[Perth Red]

If they reduced the annual grant to only cover the salary cap then Cronulla would be stuffed.

you forget the clubs are part of the commission. will never happen. If anything its going the other way. After a massive jump from $8mill to $13mill grant it has continued to creep up to now $15-16million. Lord knows what it will be in this next round of turkey dealing thats going on!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

you forget the clubs are part of the commission. will never happen. If anything its going the other way. After a massive jump from $8mill to $13mill grant it has continued to creep up to now $15-16million. Lord knows what it will be in this next round of turkey dealing thats going on!

It's the main reason I'm losing interest in the game. Supporting our game is like watching a car crash in slow motion.

 

[Pippen94]

its revenue for the nrl, not the club. the club will get same grant as everyone and will need to generate $15mill in revenue to keep pace. can a Christchurch based club achieve that?

Probably

 

[Pippen94]

Is this becoming a Perth as 18th club thread again..
....or are we still spitballing the idea of the Pasifika nrl team

Every topic is to discuss Perth bid.

 

[Perth Red]

Every topic is to discuss Perth bid.

the irony

..& 50k watching on fox & kayo. Oh, wait wookie debunked ur outrageous claims..

It's guaranteed money. Perth will require backers like Newcastle & gold coast. NRL don't want to buy back.

 

[Pippen94]

the irony

Which poster was I replying to?! Wellington Red?! Christchurch Pirate?!

 

[Perth Red]

Which poster was I replying to?! Wellington Red?! Christchurch Pirate?!

And I only mentioned perth in answering colks comment about all bids needing to raise $15mill lol
good trolling though.

 

[Pippen94]

And I only mentioned perth in answering colks comment about all bids needing to raise $15mill lol
good trolling though.

Sure, perth red