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Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

Vlad59

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The reason why London get low marks is coz they get low crowds lol
Yep. They don’t get a gig just because they are London. They need to be able to demonstrate they’ll add value to the comp across a range of criteria. At this time they don’t as much as others. Pretty straightforward.
 

flippikat

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Have to say I’m pretty excited about the idea of the ESL and NRL coming under one umbrella. You’d assume that would drag in French rugby league as well. The potential benefits are pretty scary in terms of sponsorship partnerships, player development and the games international profile.
It's the kind of proposition that could start to spook World Rugby (Union) - Scotland, Ireland & Wales are nearby after all... and that's not to mention France's long RL history to tap into, nor the prospect of North America.

If it's a "resource grab", then RU juniors are a resource right there for grabbing - and the game itself could be renamed NRL football, so that new markets don't get the "two types of rugby" confused - a branding win when it comes to growing the game into non-heartland markets.
 

Vlad59

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It's the kind of proposition that could start to spook World Rugby (Union) - Scotland, Ireland & Wales are nearby after all... and that's not to mention France's long RL history to tap into, nor the prospect of North America.

If it's a "resource grab", then RU juniors are a resource right there for grabbing - and the game itself could be renamed NRL football, so that new markets don't get the "two types of rugby" confused - a branding win when it comes to growing the game into non-heartland markets.
Yep. That’s solid analysis mate. The potential is huge. Vlandys knows it.
 

flippikat

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Yep. That’s solid analysis mate. The potential is huge. Vlandys knows it.
Eventually you could have the current 12 Superleague teams plus a team each in Scotland (Edinburgh), Wales (Cardiff), Ireland (Dublin), and Tolouse for 16 teams with a UK spread, plus a French Derby.

Relocation of Salford to Manchester itself, plus relocation or 2 more teams for Liverpool & Birmingham.. and you get a great footprint with 16-18 clubs.

Sure that won't happen overnight, but with vision, marketing, decent TV deals & NRL ownership that wants to get into those RU juniors, it's possible.
 

Vlad59

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Eventually you could have the current 12 Superleague teams plus a team each in Scotland (Edinburgh), Wales (Cardiff), Ireland (Dublin), and Tolouse for 16 teams with a UK spread, plus a French Derby.

Relocation of Salford to Manchester itself, plus relocation or 2 more teams for Liverpool & Birmingham.. and you get a great footprint with 16-18 clubs.

Sure that won't happen overnight, but with vision, marketing, decent TV deals & NRL ownership that wants to get into those RU juniors, it's possible.
I’ve started a thread under expansion. This warrants specific discussion. That stuff you’ve just written is just an example.
 

flippikat

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Becoming more real

Rugby League is at it's best when it innovates, when it's visionary, when it does things that RU wouldn't even dream of doing - thanks to their conservative gin-swilling northern administrators veto-ing innovation.

Hell, that kinda innovation (compensating working men for time off work) was EXACTLY why the game exists!

How many times has RU eventually done their own half-assed versions of our ideas years (if not DECADES) after we've had success with them?

It's time for our game to stand up again, and honor our past of daring & innovation - because THAT is what rugby league was born of.

Can I hear an "Amen!" Brothers & Sisters??

(Err.. sorry.. that kinda got away from me a bit there, but I stand by the point made..... ;) )
 

Vlad59

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Rugby League is at it's best when it innovates, when it's visionary, when it does things that RU wouldn't even dream of doing - thanks to their conservative gin-swilling northern administrators veto-ing innovation.

Hell, that kinda innovation (compensating working men for time off work) was EXACTLY why the game exists!

How many times has RU eventually done their own half-assed versions of our ideas years (if not DECADES) after we've had success with them?

It's time for our game to stand up again, and honor our past of daring & innovation - because THAT is what rugby league was born of.

Can I hear an "Amen!" Brothers & Sisters??

(Err.. sorry.. that kinda got away from me a bit there, but I stand by the point made..... ;) )
A blooody men
 

docbrown

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ESL's biggest problem is relegation, Not sure they would want it changed but they need it for the game to grow
Maybe the solution is some kind of hybrid franchise-relegation system. Meet certain off field criteria (crowds, strategic location etc) you can avoid relegation the following year, regardless of performance. Then do it on a year by year basis.
 

Iamback

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Maybe the solution is some kind of hybrid franchise-relegation system. Meet certain off field criteria (crowds, strategic location etc) you can avoid relegation the following year, regardless of performance. Then do it on a year by year basis.

Problem is their is no incentive to develop talent, Catalans in particular aren't giving french guys a game to ensure they stay up
 

taste2taste

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Eventually you could have the current 12 Superleague teams plus a team each in Scotland (Edinburgh), Wales (Cardiff), Ireland (Dublin), and Tolouse for 16 teams with a UK spread, plus a French Derby.

Relocation of Salford to Manchester itself, plus relocation or 2 more teams for Liverpool & Birmingham.. and you get a great footprint with 16-18 clubs.

Sure that won't happen overnight, but with vision, marketing, decent TV deals & NRL ownership that wants to get into those RU juniors, it's possible.
Super Leagues 2 biggest problems are 1) only 4 teams have ever won, they need to find a way to spread the talent so that fans feel thier team can actually win.
2) Leagues heartlands have a population similar to NSW + QLD but League is dwarfed by some of the biggest teams in world sport ( Man U, Man City, Liverpool FC .. etc ) fighting for media space, fans, jnr talent is an uphill battle.
 

flippikat

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Super Leagues 2 biggest problems are 1) only 4 teams have ever won, they need to find a way to spread the talent so that fans feel thier team can actually win.
2) Leagues heartlands have a population similar to NSW + QLD but League is dwarfed by some of the biggest teams in world sport ( Man U, Man City, Liverpool FC .. etc ) fighting for media space, fans, jnr talent is an uphill battle.
On point 1 - yes, the NRL needs to look getting the talent-equalization measures right, so that more teams are competitive.. but we need to keep in mind that the NRL itself has only had 3 clubs as Premiers in the last 7 years - and the current Premiers are gunning for 4 titles back-to-back, so it's not just a Superleague issue. Even if it's far more pronounced there.

On the 2nd point, that's one reason why a suggested shift BACK to the Northern Hemisphere winter for Superleague concerns me.

Going back to a winter league means it coincides more with football (soccer) and Rugby Union seasons in Europe and NFL football & NHL ice hockey in North America (a potential viewing market & maybe even place for expansion team/s in the future), whereas summer is the preserve of Cricket & Baseball. There's more "clear space" in the summer - and that includes better access to rectangular grounds.
 

Iamback

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Super Leagues 2 biggest problems are 1) only 4 teams have ever won, they need to find a way to spread the talent so that fans feel thier team can actually win.
2) Leagues heartlands have a population similar to NSW + QLD but League is dwarfed by some of the biggest teams in world sport ( Man U, Man City, Liverpool FC .. etc ) fighting for media space, fans, jnr talent is an uphill battle.

That is why I think they need to scrap promotion, To allow clubs to develop talent
 

Reflector

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Eventually you could have the current 12 Superleague teams plus a team each in Scotland (Edinburgh), Wales (Cardiff), Ireland (Dublin), and Tolouse for 16 teams with a UK spread, plus a French Derby.

Relocation of Salford to Manchester itself, plus relocation or 2 more teams for Liverpool & Birmingham.. and you get a great footprint with 16-18 clubs.

Sure that won't happen overnight, but with vision, marketing, decent TV deals & NRL ownership that wants to get into those RU juniors, it's possible.
The Merseyside team could wear Knights-style jerseys, the Birmingham team in maroon. white and blue, and the Manchester team wear red and sky blue striped jerseys, for cross-town unity...
 

Wb1234

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The English game is more than super league

aussies will have no interest in that part of the game

will they be getting a dividend on their money like private equity does
 

flippikat

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The Merseyside team could wear Knights-style jerseys, and the Manchester team wear red and sky blue striped jerseys, for cross-town unity...
Doesn't necessarily have to go *that* far to appeal to the whole city, I think St Helens would be fine pretty much as is (maybe a rename to Merseyside St Helens?) but maybe a move away from Red Devils for Salford, while keeping their colours.
 
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