Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Anyway let’s put this whole vlandys thing into context :

in the nrl we’ve had

1. whittacker … arl man, total muppet, news ltd rang rings around him, signed one of the worst tv deals including first and last rights. Total flop

2. gallop .. probably the second best boss in nrl history. Tried his best and genuinely liked the game. Under his watch souths we’re allowed back in and he added the titans

he wasn’t allowed to add brissie 2, as part of the peace deal was a broncos monopoly until 2015

highlighted the western coridoor as an excellent expansion area

under his tenure the quality of football was the best and the salary cap actually worked. Different teams made the finals and won the grand final more regularly than today

ultimately news ltds 50 percent ownership of the game was always going to hold him back, and he was seen as biased, as he was news ltd lawyer during super league

signed a tv deal which subsequently afl got double, then tried to defend his deal by saying Afl had more capital city teams so they deserved more

4. Moffatt .. ex boss of the wales ru and maybe nzru. Total failure. Was overawed by the game and never fit in

5. David smith … from outside the and a business background. Talked an excellent game including trying to get variable funding for clubs and new broadcasters involved

ultimately totally failed by signing with for what turned out to be poor money as none sold the extra game and streaming rights to foxtel and which the nrl got nothing

totally ticked off foxtel when there were no other bidders and after we got rid of Monday night football got shafted ever more with Friday 6 pm

6. Greenberg … basically a yes man. Did some good things including no fault standown and harsher penalties on players. Signed a decent tv deal

failed to expand

7. John grant … did some good things including digital but ultimately was a pawn to clubs including agreeing to 130 percent funding over total player payments and has a weak knowledge of the clubs and game

8. Peter Beattie … talked about expanding but ultimately knew he was out of his depth

that’s close to 25 years of ceos and chairmen since the nrl was formed

other than gallop the rest were either average (Greenberg) or an outright disaster

and comparing it with afl is also kind stupid bc afl has had stable leadership for 40 years and no super league war

The VFL was run by competent administrators who didn't let the clubs dictate how the game was run during the 80s. Arthurson and Quayle were a couple of duplicitous snakes who favoured the Sydney clubs and Newcastle while bleeding the Broncos, Cowboys, Crushers, Warriors and Reds dry. I know the Cowboys had to fund travel and accommodation for all teams that travelled to Townsville, after the NSWRL clubs made this demand to the expansion committee that consisted of officials from Sydney clubs. That's a conflict of interest and it saddled the Cowboys with an annual bill of $800k. That, as well as the financing of The Willows to be an ARL compliant ground, even though many of the Sydney teams played out of dilapidated parks that were unfit for the professional era, drove the club bankrupt and unable to pay its players beyond June 1995. That's why so many clubs signed with Super League and how we've gotten to the point where the clubs now run the ARLC instead of the other way around.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Jesus you’re a bright one .
you try to counter my argument with IF ..IF

sorry there’s no ifs .
magic Rd should not be discounted because of some criteria you set.
lol
just lol.
as Wookie said
Anzac Day Good Fri etc should also not be counted ( by your bizarro logic) as they are classed as events .
your rancid hate for anything Syd or PVL is bordering on batshit crazy.
give it a rest .

Magic Round is eight games played over three days in Brisbane at Lang Park. It draws fans from all over the country.

You're arguing that the four Sydney clubs who take a home game to Magic Round should add the day's attendance -- which is boosted by fans from other clubs who are playing on the day in separate matches -- to the other eleven games that they play in Sydney. The attendances for the games they play in Sydney are about one-third to one-fourth the size of Magic Round.

That's just plain dumb and dishonest, as you're trying to inflate the attendances of the four Sydney clubs who had the luxury of playing in front of 43k fans in Brisbane by adding that number to what would otherwise be an average of 10k to 15k for the eleven games they play at home.

If you want to know how many people from Sydney travel to Parramatta Stadium, Leichhardt or Campbelltown to watch Wests Tigers play then you sure as f**k don't count the 43k who went to Magic Round in Brisbane to see three games on the same day.

I didn't include the "home" games that Sydney teams took to tiny country grounds because it would have made their average attendances even worse. I don't see you complaining about this omission.

Why do you think I need to discount attendances from ANZAC Day, Easter Friday, Easter Sunday and Easter Monday?

All of those games are played in Sydney by Sydney teams. They're not double headers. They are genuine home games. Attendances are inflated by the day they're played, but the fans are still from Sydney and there to see the teams playing.

What part of that do you not understand?

 

[Captain Apollo]

Anyway let’s put this whole vlandys thing into context :

in the nrl we’ve had

1. whittacker … arl man, total muppet, news ltd rang rings around him, signed one of the worst tv deals including first and last rights. Total flop

2. gallop .. probably the second best boss in nrl history. Tried his best and genuinely liked the game. Under his watch souths we’re allowed back in and he added the titans

he wasn’t allowed to add brissie 2, as part of the peace deal was a broncos monopoly until 2015

highlighted the western coridoor as an excellent expansion area

under his tenure the quality of football was the best and the salary cap actually worked. Different teams made the finals and won the grand final more regularly than today

ultimately news ltds 50 percent ownership of the game was always going to hold him back, and he was seen as biased, as he was news ltd lawyer during super league

signed a tv deal which subsequently afl got double, then tried to defend his deal by saying Afl had more capital city teams so they deserved more

4. Moffatt .. ex boss of the wales ru and maybe nzru. Total failure. Was overawed by the game and never fit in

5. David smith … from outside the and a business background. Talked an excellent game including trying to get variable funding for clubs and new broadcasters involved

ultimately totally failed by signing with for what turned out to be poor money as none sold the extra game and streaming rights to foxtel and which the nrl got nothing

totally ticked off foxtel when there were no other bidders and after we got rid of Monday night football got shafted ever more with Friday 6 pm

6. Greenberg … basically a yes man. Did some good things including no fault standown and harsher penalties on players. Signed a decent tv deal

failed to expand

7. John grant … did some good things including digital but ultimately was a pawn to clubs including agreeing to 130 percent funding over total player payments and has a weak knowledge of the clubs and game

8. Peter Beattie … talked about expanding but ultimately knew he was out of his depth

that’s close to 25 years of ceos and chairmen since the nrl was formed

other than gallop the rest were either average (Greenberg) or an outright disaster

and comparing it with afl is also kind stupid bc afl has had stable leadership for 40 years and no super league war

My only issue with your list is it includes a mixture of CEOs for the NRL and the Chairmen since inception. I don't think in all honesty you can rank a CEO (e.g. Moffatt) the same way as a Chairman (e.g. Beattie) or vice-versa. Some were serving in the respective positions at the same time, others were not.

 

[MugaB]

Wby don't you learn how to reason before you write stupid shit that's easy to disprove?

Magic Round is eight games played over three days in Brisbane at Lang Park. It draws fans from all over the country. You're arguing that the four Sydney clubs who take a home game there should add the attendance -- which is boosted by fans from other clubs who are playing on the day -- to the other eleven games that they play in front of crowds in Sydney that are one-third to one-fourth the size of what they get in Brisbane during Magic Round. That's just plain dumb and dishonest, as you're trying to inflate the season average attendance for the four Sydney clubs who had the luxury of playing in front of 43k fans from Brisbane by adding that number to what would otherwise be an average of 10k to 15k for the eleven games they play at home.

If you want to know how many people from Sydney travel to Parramatta Stadium, Leichhardt or Campbelltown to watch Wests Tigers play then you sure as f**k don't count the 43k who went to Magic Round in Brisbane on the same day that the Tigers played a "home" game hundreds of kilometres away from their base.

Oh and before you say I just hate Sydney, I didn't include the "home" games that Sydney teams took to tiny country grounds because it would have made their average attendances even worse.

I never discounted the attendances from games played on ANZAC DAY, Easter Friday, Easter Sunday and Easter Monday, so STFU and learn how to follow a conversation before going off your nut with crazy insinuations.

Why would I need to discount attendances from ANZAC Day, Easter Friday, Easter Sunday and Easter Sunday?

All of those games are played in Sydney by Sydney teams. They're not double headers. They are genuine home games.

What part of that do you not understand?

Dude no one cares, about your attendance logic, or ranking of clubs, sydney or otherwise, whatever this all is, is a waste of of time, as YOU are a waste of everyones time, its like trying to teach and old dog new tricks, when really its been off the reservation for well past several years... do us all a favour twat, just go away

 

[Wb1234]

My only issue with your list is it includes a mixture of CEOs for the NRL and the Chairmen since inception. I don't think in all honesty you can rank a CEO (e.g. Moffatt) the same way as a Chairman (e.g. Beattie) or vice-versa. Some were serving in the respective positions at the same time, others were not.

Fair

but vlandys kinda does both with abdo being like an assistant

im also trying to show how much we (didn’t ) achieve over the 25 years since the nrl was formed and how much has been achieved now under the current leaders

 

[The_Wookie]

The VFL was run by competent administrators who didn't let the clubs dictate how the game was run during the 80s.

The VFL was run by a bunch of barely competent idiots until 1986 - it took the threat of a split to form the VFL Commission, but it wasnt really until 1993 that the leagues admin became more professional when the VFL Board of Directors was shelved permanently

Eagles, like the Reds also had to fund travel - the VFL woke up to this a year later and changed that. The Eagles still went broke and required bailing out before 1990.

 

[Wb1234]

The VFL was run by a bunch of barely competent idiots until 1986 - it took the threat of a split to form the VFL Commission, but it wasnt really until 1993 that the leagues admin became more professional when the VFL Board of Directors was shelved permanently

Eagles, like the Reds also had to fund travel - the VFL woke up to this a year later and changed that. The Eagles still went broke and required bailing out before 1990.

Demetriou was probably the best afl leader

these Greeks make fearsome leaders

 

[The_Wookie]

Demetriou was probably the best afl leader

these Greeks make fearsome leaders

Oakley was pretty good
Jackson was pretty much just biding his time, but got large parts of the league offside with his attempts to shaft Victorian clubs.
Demetriou was excellent if arrogant - he was Vlandys before Vlandys if you like
Mclachlan has been pretty good too, but had a more troubled era to deal with.

The Chairmen of the league have been largely background figures.

 

[Wb1234]

Oakley was pretty good
Jackson was pretty much just biding his time, but got large parts of the league offside with his attempts to shaft Victorian clubs.
Demetriou was excellent if arrogant - he was Vlandys before Vlandys if you like
Mclachlan has been pretty good too, but had a more troubled era to deal with.

The Chairmen of the league have been largely background figures.

Yeh never heard much of the chairman

Oakley he rings a bell too

I liked how demetriou pushed afls cause no matter what. Plus convincing the clubs to do that variable funding thing would’ve been a huge effort

something that no nrl leader has a chance of doing ever

I wish rugby league had the same sense of one purpose that afl seems to have

support for expansion is lukewarm at best and outright hostile at worst

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Eagles, like the Reds also had to fund travel - the VFL woke up to this a year later and changed that. The Eagles still went broke and required bailing out before 1990.

Shows how bad Arthurson, Quayle and the expansion committee were for placing this stipulation on the Cowboys and Reds after seeing what it did to the Eagles.

I've read the ABC article about the Eagles.

 

[The_Wookie]

Yeh never heard much of the chairman

Oakley he rings a bell too

I liked how demetriou pushed afls cause no matter what. Plus convincing the clubs to do that variable funding thing would’ve been a huge effort

something that no nrl leader has a chance of doing ever

I wish rugby league had the same sense of one purpose that afl seems to have

support for expansion is lukewarm at best and outright hostile at worst

Its all in the Governance - the league worked its issues out in 1985 after Elliot proposed a breakaway super type comp. Rather than go through with it, the club presidents encouraged him to go to the league. The VFL was being issued the Blue Report at roughly the same time, and the result was that the clubs and league were largely in one accord afterward.

The clubs got permanent licenses, the commission became theoretically independent to govern the game without care for specific club interests and for the benefit of all. There hasnt been a threat since. The clubs largely arc up about an issue, the league deals with the concerns and everybody moves on.

The Commission has pretty much delivered on everything it was supposed to. By the time Murdoch came knocking in 1994, Elliot didnt give a damn about a separate league any more.

 

[Wb1234]

Its all in the Governance - the league worked its issues out in 1985 after Elliot proposed a breakaway super type comp. Rather than go through with it, the club presidents encouraged him to go to the league. The VFL was being issued the Blue Report at roughly the same time, and the result was that the clubs and league were largely in one accord afterward.

The clubs got permanent licenses, the commission became theoretically independent to govern the game without care for specific club interests and for the benefit of all. There hasnt been a threat since. The clubs largely arc up about an issue, the league deals with the concerns and everybody moves on.

The Commission has pretty much delivered on everything it was supposed to. By the time Murdoch came knocking in 1994, Elliot didnt give a damn about a separate league any more.

Would you say the stronger Victorian afl clubs are pro expansion ?

I would say the strong Sydney clubs aren’t these days

do the stronger Victorian clubs have more sway on the commission ?

again it used to be there was a cartel of Sydney clubs running the arlc though it’s kind of changed now with Melbourne having more say through Matt tripp

and the Penrith ceo seems to think his opinions are important now

the two people who have undue influence on the arlc are Nick polits and Phil gould

they can break any ceo or chairman

 

[Reflector]

People I"m not sure you understand.

If we arbitrarily remove the 91, 03, 21 and 22 seasons Penrith have never won a premiership.

Faultless logic.

Five out of seven nights most hospitality businesses are pretty empty. Obviously Friday and Saturday should be excluded from the P&L since they skew it badly.

If you disagree, you should go and join the other Sydney hillbillies.

Why do you hate AFL so much?

 

[Iamback]

It still rates as 3 of the top 5 programs every year on FTA.
Like I said audiences may be dropping but advertising spend is still going up. Slow to transition maybe, but dying? Well time will tell but whilst advertisers are still spending over $3.8bill a year on it (88% of all tv advertising) I doubt it any time soon.

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Very few commercials in what is generally close games. Pre and Post game drops to under 1m which is where the real commercial ad space can get made up.

Compare that to 120 mins of a game.
That has 30 secs after a goal for ads
5 mins breaks at Qtr and 3 Qtr time
20 mins halftime ( NRL is 10 )

Work out how many extra ads you can fit in and then you get why there is a gap

 

[mongoose]

Anyway let’s put this whole vlandys thing into context :

in the nrl we’ve had

1. whittacker … arl man, total muppet, news ltd rang rings around him, signed one of the worst tv deals including first and last rights. Total flop

2. gallop .. probably the second best boss in nrl history. Tried his best and genuinely liked the game. Under his watch souths we’re allowed back in and he added the titans

he wasn’t allowed to add brissie 2, as part of the peace deal was a broncos monopoly until 2015

highlighted the western coridoor as an excellent expansion area

under his tenure the quality of football was the best and the salary cap actually worked. Different teams made the finals and won the grand final more regularly than today

ultimately news ltds 50 percent ownership of the game was always going to hold him back, and he was seen as biased, as he was news ltd lawyer during super league

signed a tv deal which subsequently afl got double, then tried to defend his deal by saying Afl had more capital city teams so they deserved more

4. Moffatt .. ex boss of the wales ru and maybe nzru. Total failure. Was overawed by the game and never fit in

5. David smith … from outside the and a business background. Talked an excellent game including trying to get variable funding for clubs and new broadcasters involved

ultimately totally failed by signing with 9 for what turned out to be poor money as nine sold the extra game and streaming rights to foxtel and which the nrl got nothing

totally ticked off foxtel when there were no other bidders and after we got rid of Monday night football got shafted ever more with Friday 6 pm

6. Greenberg … basically a yes man. Did some good things including no fault standown and harsher penalties on players. Signed a decent tv deal

failed to expand

7. John grant … did some good things including digital but ultimately was a pawn to clubs including agreeing to 130 percent funding over total player payments and has a weak knowledge of the clubs and game

8. Peter Beattie … talked about expanding but ultimately knew he was out of his depth

that’s close to 25 years of ceos and chairmen since the nrl was formed

other than gallop the rest were either average (Greenberg) or an outright disaster

and comparing it with afl is also kind stupid bc afl has had stable leadership for 40 years and no super league war

lol Gallop was hopeless... go ask A League fans what they think of him

The worst you can say about David Smith was he "ticked off News" hahah oh noes! Didn't he get the biggest FTA deal in broadcast history at the time? He made the AFL look like amateurs with his handling of ASADA too.

 

[Iamback]

lol Gallop was hopeless... go ask A League fans what they think of him

The worst you can say about David Smith was he "ticked off News" hahah oh noes! Didn't he get the biggest FTA deal in broadcast history at the time? He made the AFL look like amateurs with his handling of ASADA too.

FTA deal ended up $50m less. Fox paid ch9 for the Sat night game.

 

[Wb1234]

lol Gallop was hopeless... go ask A League fans what they think of him

The worst you can say about David Smith was he "ticked off News" hahah oh noes! Didn't he get the biggest FTA deal in broadcast history at the time? He made the AFL look like amateurs with his handling of ASADA too.

Dave smith monumentally stuffed up the tv deal

asada he wasn’t bad but it was really the sharks lawyers who found out the afl were getting a special deal and blew up deluxe

a league is a dieing sport. I’m judging gallop on what he did as league boss

 

[Wb1234]

FTA deal ended up $50m less. Fox paid ch9 for the Sat night game.

He ticked off Murdoch so much he gave afl an extra 100 million pa as an up yours to rugby league then went on tv and said they have always preferred afl over rugby league

 

[Chief_Chujo]

2. gallop .. probably the second best boss in nrl history.

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

Magic Round is eight games played over three days in Brisbane at Lang Park. It draws fans from all over the country.

You're arguing that the four Sydney clubs who take a home game to Magic Round should add the day's attendance -- which is boosted by fans from other clubs who are playing on the day in separate matches -- to the other eleven games that they play in Sydney. The attendances for the games they play in Sydney are about one-third to one-fourth the size of Magic Round.

That's just plain dumb and dishonest, as you're trying to inflate the attendances of the four Sydney clubs who had the luxury of playing in front of 43k fans in Brisbane by adding that number to what would otherwise be an average of 10k to 15k for the eleven games they play at home.

If you want to know how many people from Sydney travel to Parramatta Stadium, Leichhardt or Campbelltown to watch Wests Tigers play then you sure as f**k don't count the 43k who went to Magic Round in Brisbane to see three games on the same day.

I didn't include the "home" games that Sydney teams took to tiny country grounds because it would have made their average attendances even worse. I don't see you complaining about this omission.

Why do you think I need to discount attendances from ANZAC Day, Easter Friday, Easter Sunday and Easter Monday?

All of those games are played in Sydney by Sydney teams. They're not double headers. They are genuine home games. Attendances are inflated by the day they're played, but the fans are still from Sydney and there to see the teams playing.

What part of that do you not understand?

Here’s a newsflash for the not so bright…lol you get a jersey.
all attendances for NRL season games are counted .
even the low ones that result from taking games to country areas .
you take the good with the bad .

Wait on you don’t .
like your Whiney Perth mate …everything is a negative .
blah blah Syd PVL SYd PVL .

lol
singapore..